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Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 227. (Read 710164 times)

legendary
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For the PCI-e cables; What's the MINIMUM AWG cable I have to use for the S3 using only 1 PCI-e connector per blade ?
I know Sidehack uses AWG16 for his cables. Would a AWG18 also work ?

On the other hand, Gigampz sells 24" PCI-e cables with AWG18 ....

use the cables that comes with Corsair if you have it (I believe that they are 18AWG), they get a little worm when OC to 237.5 (42C).
If you need splitters to split a single to two, I used Startech (they are also 18AWG).
hero member
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With the current price of 0.58 BTC for Batch 8 Delivery on 9/20/14, and given their minimum quantity of 2 Units, recouping your money = Impossible. (Almost)

Factor:

(2) S3+ Units at .58 BTC          1.16 BTC = $585.00 USD
(1) Corsair 850w PSU                                $140.00 USD

TOTAL HARDWARE:   $725

Now, IF you are lucky enough to have power at a rate of 0.08 kW/hr (unlikely); and

IF Bitcoin difficulty only rose 11% per increase for the next 3 years, never more, (highly unlikely), and

IF you are lucky enough to get units that hash at the full OverClocked speed of 500 GHash; and

IF you are lucky enough, to within that 3 years, not have 1 single technical issue, pool outage, internet issue, power failure, hardware failure, and so on; it can be assumed

You will have made back your initial investment, and broke EVEN, on April 18, 2017.

Strato

Two flaws:
1. Equipment salvage value. Try the calculations selling the equipment at different time periods. You assume equipment worth $0 at end of time period, and that is not true.
2. No account for increase in BTC value. An increase in BTC value will probably increase the value of equipment.

Two flaws
1. Do you think an s3 will have any value after 3 years?  I mean any value besides scrap?
2. You say accounting for bitcoin value increase?  Possible, could go 1000,2000,10000.  Problem with that is the nethash would keep up and surpass any gain as we saw. we already saw this in the honeymoon period of the last dramatic bitcoin increase.  

That is if we see spectacular jumps.  IMO more likely to go sideways until electric is just slightly less then profit made from mining and difficulty starts going up only a couple percent per adjustment.

Crypto world moves too fast and the guys example was being very very very very generous in the input values.

Bottom line is hw prices still have a long ways to catch up and make the distribution of wealth between miner and equipment manufacturer/cloud service more equitable.
hero member
Activity: 556
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With the current price of 0.58 BTC for Batch 8 Delivery on 9/20/14, and given their minimum quantity of 2 Units, recouping your money = Impossible. (Almost)

Factor:

(2) S3+ Units at .58 BTC          1.16 BTC = $585.00 USD
(1) Corsair 850w PSU                                $140.00 USD

TOTAL HARDWARE:   $725

Now, IF you are lucky enough to have power at a rate of 0.08 kW/hr (unlikely); and

IF Bitcoin difficulty only rose 11% per increase for the next 3 years, never more, (highly unlikely), and

IF you are lucky enough to get units that hash at the full OverClocked speed of 500 GHash; and

IF you are lucky enough, to within that 3 years, not have 1 single technical issue, pool outage, internet issue, power failure, hardware failure, and so on; it can be assumed

You will have made back your initial investment, and broke EVEN, on April 18, 2017.

Strato

Two flaws:
1. Equipment salvage value. Try the calculations selling the equipment at different time periods. You assume equipment worth $0 at end of time period, and that is not true.
2. No account for increase in BTC value. An increase in BTC value will probably increase the value of equipment.
member
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Merit: 10
The SP31 does 5.5TH/s at 3000W = 0.545454 W/GH.
If you look at the other thread the definitive hashrate may be lower. We have to wait and see...

Just searched for "SP31" but could not find any other thread mentioning anything about the SP31 possibly getting rated lower than 5.5 TH/s. So which thread/posting do you mean?

EDIT: @RoadStress already answered that one, there is no thread about the SP31 possibly getting rated lower, all previous info was about the SP30 only.


Here it is, below, and there are more... Anyway we have not reason to  have doubts...
... There is also a chance that the SP31 performs like SP30 should have at ~6.6TH but I'd guess it's more likely it ends up closer to 4.5TH ...
Our commitment and guarantee is for 5.5 TH/s +- 5% with 3KW at the wall. It will probably preform better with the production tweaking we're doing.
By guarantee I mean that we'll compensate for missing hash-rate by the $/GHs ratio of the deal.
Isn't that what you guys said for the slow corner batch as well, what was that compensation offer I forgot, oh wait no one knows yet. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. This commitment should be stated upfront with the details of what the compensation would be. Your track record hasn't been great taking into consideration the SP10 slow corners and now the SP30 slow corners.
sr. member
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I try to make the cable by my self. That's why I ask about minimum AWG ;-)
legendary
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For the PCI-e cables; What's the MINIMUM AWG cable I have to use for the S3 using only 1 PCI-e connector per blade ?
I know Sidehack uses AWG16 for his cables. Would a AWG18 also work ?

On the other hand, Gigampz sells 24" PCI-e cables with AWG18 ....
Cablez sells custom length and will use 18 or 16 AWG you choose I believe.
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The SP31 does 5.5TH/s at 3000W = 0.545454 W/GH.
If you look at the other thread the definitive hashrate may be lower. We have to wait and see...

Just searched for "SP31" but could not find any other thread mentioning anything about the SP31 possibly getting rated lower than 5.5 TH/s. So which thread/posting do you mean?

EDIT: @RoadStress already answered that one, there is no thread about the SP31 possibly getting rated lower, all previous info was about the SP30 only.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
For the PCI-e cables; What's the MINIMUM AWG cable I have to use for the S3 using only 1 PCI-e connector per blade ?
I know Sidehack uses AWG16 for his cables. Would a AWG18 also work ?

On the other hand, Gigampz sells 24" PCI-e cables with AWG18 ....
legendary
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The SP31 does 5.5TH/s at 3000W = 0.545454 W/GH.

 Shipping in the second half of October.

If you look at the other thread the definitive hashrate may be lower. We have to wait and see...

You are wrong here. The hashrate was lower for pre-October units. From October onwards the SP31 will have 5.5Th/s.

*I am not endorsing and suggesting anything. I'm just trying to spread the information.
legendary
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If you notice there are spikes about half way through every round then it settles at a certain point. I wonder why this is? Anyways Bitmain will have to come down in price since the release date is 2+ diff increases away.



someone figured out that he will make more btc if he turns off his big mine for 2~3 days.

those 2~3 days offline are a good trade off, because the difficulty for the next two week should be somewhat lower.

That myth has been debunked by simple math.  Regardless of what pool payment method (PPS, PPLNS, etc) it is never feasible to hold back hashing power to earn more - unless you're 100% of the hashrate.


yes, I was referring to ASIC producers that are solo mining and selling devices to the general public.

legendary
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The instability of GHash and its inability to keep their pool online probably has some bearing.
DrG
legendary
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If you notice there are spikes about half way through every round then it settles at a certain point. I wonder why this is? Anyways Bitmain will have to come down in price since the release date is 2+ diff increases away.



someone figured out that he will make more btc if he turns off his big mine for 2~3 days.

those 2~3 days offline are a good trade off, because the difficulty for the next two week should be somewhat lower.

That myth has been debunked by simple math.  Regardless of what pool payment method (PPS, PPLNS, etc) it is never feasible to hold back hashing power to earn more - unless you're 100% of the hashrate.
member
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If you notice there are spikes about half way through every round then it settles at a certain point. I wonder why this is? Anyways Bitmain will have to come down in price since the release date is 2+ diff increases away.



someone figured out that he will make more btc if he turns off his big mine for 2~3 days.

those 2~3 days offline are a good trade off, because the difficulty for the next two week should be somewhat lower.



Is this Bitfury and their 20MW farms?
member
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The SP31 does 5.5TH/s at 3000W = 0.545454 W/GH.

 Shipping in the second half of October.

If you look at the other thread the definitive hashrate may be lower. We have to wait and see...
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1011
If you notice there are spikes about half way through every round then it settles at a certain point. I wonder why this is? Anyways Bitmain will have to come down in price since the release date is 2+ diff increases away.



someone figured out that he will make more btc if he turns off his big mine for 2~3 days.

those 2~3 days offline are a good trade off, because the difficulty for the next two week should be somewhat lower.

member
Activity: 104
Merit: 10
With the current price of 0.58 BTC for Batch 8 Delivery on 9/20/14, and given their minimum quantity of 2 Units, recouping your money = Impossible. (Almost)

Factor:

(2) S3+ Units at .58 BTC          1.16 BTC = $585.00 USD
(1) Corsair 850w PSU                                $140.00 USD

TOTAL HARDWARE:   $725

Now, IF you are lucky enough to have power at a rate of 0.08 kW/hr (unlikely); and

IF Bitcoin difficulty only rose 11% per increase for the next 3 years, never more, (highly unlikely), and

IF you are lucky enough to get units that hash at the full OverClocked speed of 500 GHash; and

IF you are lucky enough, to within that 3 years, not have 1 single technical issue, pool outage, internet issue, power failure, hardware failure, and so on; it can be assumed

You will have made back your initial investment, and broke EVEN, on April 18, 2017.

Strato



I've bought two of these B8 units considering I will need heat this winter, and I already have a 1.2kW PSU that I don't use anymore. But you are right ROI is unlikely.

I hope Bitmain will sent them earlier. Please Bitmain.
legendary
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mining with these btc price
is dead
legendary
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With the current price of 0.58 BTC for Batch 8 Delivery on 9/20/14, and given their minimum quantity of 2 Units, recouping your money = Impossible. (Almost)

Factor:

(2) S3+ Units at .58 BTC          1.16 BTC = $585.00 USD
(1) Corsair 850w PSU                                $140.00 USD

TOTAL HARDWARE:   $725

Now, IF you are lucky enough to have power at a rate of 0.08 kW/hr (unlikely); and

IF Bitcoin difficulty only rose 11% per increase for the next 3 years, never more, (highly unlikely), and

IF you are lucky enough to get units that hash at the full OverClocked speed of 500 GHash; and

IF you are lucky enough, to within that 3 years, not have 1 single technical issue, pool outage, internet issue, power failure, hardware failure, and so on; it can be assumed

You will have made back your initial investment, and broke EVEN, on April 18, 2017.

Strato
legendary
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the SP31 would be great if it woud be shipped NOW
but it will be shipped 2 months later, USELESS!!
Another crap unit to fool everyone
legendary
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The SP31 does 5.5TH/s at 3000W = 0.545454 W/GH.

 Shipping in the second half of October.
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