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+ 100000000 IYFTech very well said

It boggles the mind how a company can blatantly ignore the law and the fact they would have no cgminer if not for CK and Kano, not to mention the fact that the existing 3.12 cgminer in its present BITMAIN state has some glaring security holes which NEED to be fixed, including other bugs that have been mentioned... network access needs to be locked down for starters... the redirect issue is a big problem (not for bitmain....are they the ones redirecting everyones miners??? hmmmmm why not fix this otherwise and ignore it)
The S2 software has been all but abandoned...the lack of quality firmware speaks for itself...how long did it take bitmain to fix the miner password issue ...and none of the issues Kano mentioned were ever addressed  Huh Roll Eyes

 Sorry but from a logical standpoint WHY IS BITMAIN IGNORING THESE ISSUES....hmmmmmmm Huh I for one have become very suspicious in light of all of this
This makes absolutely no sense especially considering how much the cgminer devs have gone out of their way to try and help the community and even in this thread have asked BITMAIN TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW...which is really THE LAW not a request...no company is above the law and to be honest it really disgusts me that the only posts by BITMAIN in here are to pimp their hardware and NEVER to answer the customers requests...I have asked for the unreleased july 28 firmware with no response...as have others...

We have rights as customers and companies have laws they must abide by....this isn't the wild west...if it was I am sure BITMAIN would be lynched by now for their business practices of late.....abysmal really
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+100!!

I agree completely  Grin

You deserve a smoke  Cheesy

EDIT: @IYFTech - can you post this in other Bitmain threads? Maybe they will take notice?

Certainly - good idea. Thanks, just skinned up a fat one  Tongue

Waiting for my inbox to fill up with Bitmain hate mail........  Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Hashrate - 5min:513.11G / 30min:493.11G / 1hr:487.73G O
Is that alright for 237M?


487 for 237 is fine.  check it in about 1 day
legendary
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4 units (batch 1, first ~15min) arrived today and setup was a breeze.

gorgeous case, makes it feel like a solid consumer-grade product compared to the S1.

miner 1: 237.5MHz     477GH    (2.5hrs)
miner 2: 225MHz        417GH    (2hrs)
miner 3: 225MHz        450GH    (2hrs)
miner 2: 225MHz        413GH    (2hrs)

so far overclocking is a total grab-bag. looks like 2 of the miners lose hashrate at even a slight overclock, and the other has negligible improvement over stock. miner 1 will go for 250mhz tomorrow

I havent seen the invoice yet, but presumably it was about $400 CAD to import and receive all 4 miners.


 Was that $400 just for the HST or did you have to pay duty on the equipment as well?
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Watch out for the "Neg-Rep-Dogie-Police".....
+100!!

I agree completely  Grin

You deserve a smoke  Cheesy

EDIT: @IYFTech - can you post this in other Bitmain threads? Maybe they will take notice?
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I do wish the BITMAIN would publish the device driver details so that a current version of cgminer could be attained. I know at least 2 releases in 4 had notes about queue improvements and one at least specifically stated it generated work much faster. Also one of the last 3's had an improvement about how work was loaded into devices. I know for sure 3.12 is very old and I am positive that many work generation improvements have been added since then.

Exactly. I don't understand why they don't work more closely with the cgminer devs - using such an old miner for this equipment is false economy. There have been many improvements & optimixations since this cgminer release, not to mention a very important fix for work redirection by a third party.
Can we just SSH in to it and compile CGMiner to a newer version ?
One would assume that we have access to their modified code and driver for cgminer which the cgminer license stipulates, however they have ignored our requests for making that code available. I am considering what direction to take now about that license violation.

Indeed, I saw your post requesting access to the code - ignoring it seems a very strange course of action by Bitmain, especially since agreeing & cooperating would not only benefit everyone - but would also stay within the legally binding license terms.......

I hope they realize their error & do the right thing - as well as live up to their claim of supporting the Bitcoin community.

@ckolivas: Is there anything we, the community, can do to help? Maybe if we all started mailing them they will take notice?

Hmmmm.......Sorry to quote myself, but the more I think about this - the more it doesn't make any sense. in fact, it smells.

Apart from the obvious legal obligations pointed out by ckolivas, one of the hardest working & well respected Bitcoin community members there is, I find myself wondering why on earth Bitmain won't release their code - are they trying to hide something? I mean, the third party redirect fix was a very important update - why on earth would Bitmain not want to implement it? There are also a multitude of other fixes & improvements which Kano (where is he by the way?) listed in a previous post regarding the S2, but are still relevent:

Because:
1) The version in there throws away valid blocks on p2pool
2) The version in there doesn't block the recent stratum redirect problem
3) The version in there passes all shares to the pool even if they are below target (I'm sure pools must hate the S2 due to the major increase in CPU requirements at the pool)
4) The version in there has the API set to W:0/0 so anyone with network access can change your settings/pool/username (and the web page doesn't let you fix that)
5) The version in there has a modified API with different field names to the standard API so anyone using other software that reads the API must get that software changed (or use a proper API version of cgminer in the S2 Tongue)
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By not cooperating with the cgminer devs request to release the code as they are legally bound to do - and not updating cgminer to incorporate the very important security fixes, Bitmain are not only breaking the law - but they are also arousing suspicion amongst the Bitcoin community as to why they are refusing to do so. For a company that claims to respect & care deeply for the Bitcoin community, this makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Before anyone starts breaking my balls accusing me of stirring things up trying to discredit Bitmain - I am a customer who has Bitmain hardware & am quite happy with it. I am merely pointing out the legally binding obligations Bitmain are ignoring, as well as trying to highlight the contempt that Bitmain are showing towards ckolivas & kano - without who, mining & Bitcoin would not be what it is today. We, as a community owe it to the cgminer devs to make sure that all hardware manufacturers respect their requests to release their code as stated in the open source license agreement. If they refuse - we should all be concerned as to the reasons why.

Sorry to ramble, but I'm a great believer in Open Source & what the cgminer devs have done, and continue to do. We owe them  Grin
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I am curious has anyone had any RMA issues with Bitmain ?  i have provided them with the order ID and I am still having the hardest time getting RMA information from them.  They have demanded I perform a test with something called a multimeter (which i do not own, i had to go purchase one)  so i could test the chains.  My s3 device pretty much bricked itself with a firmware upgrade.  I cannot access the UI, the ip is not found (never changed from default).  I used an ipsniffer, and still zilch....anyhow, i am curious to know how Bitmain has dealt with RMA requests from others.   Thanks

It took me 2 1/2 weeks of those emails back and fourth. I finally told them I would sell it for parts on Bitcointalk.org and tell everyone about them not honoring warranty. Then and only then did they sent a RMA form. I sent it(controller) off 3 weeks ago and still don't have a replacement. Good luck.

What were your failure symptoms? I had one die today.. going to have to go down this road...


If somebody in Europe/France does have the same trouble, I'd be happy to have a look and try to unbrick it if Bitmain doesn't accept RMA.
Looks like unbricking could be done by serial line programming (easier) or JTAG if serial doesn't work (will have to find the solder points).

Both methods will require soldering and will void your warranty.

Also, what are the tests asked by Bimaintech?

Bitmain has demanded that i perform a multimeter test on the two chains (6 pin atx plug ports).  i told them i do not own a multimeter, but none the less i went ahead and purchased one.  i am really not sure why their own RMA department will not test the RMA, is it not their job to find the fault ?  I am still waiting for Bitmain to send me RMA info.  The last communication i had with someone by the name of "Tim" stated 

"Hi there, Should there be a carrier tracking number showing that this miner came from our factory, we can also provide RMA for your faulty parts."

Not really sure why they rely on carrier information; why do they need to find a carrier tracking number to prove my purchase when i have already given them my order id number ?  my s3 has just been sitting collecting dust for a couple of weeks now.  Thanks BITMAIN

If anyone has had similar issues with an s3 and has managed to solve the riddle please let me know how.  thanks
legendary
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I wish the Antminer monitor program worked but for some reason it gives a .net error.

This is because you're running the new firmware. Re-flash the older firmware and it will work again (you will lose the web GUI overclocking support)
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One would assume that we have access to their modified code and driver for cgminer which the cgminer license stipulates, however they have ignored our requests for making that code available. I am considering what direction to take now about that license violation.

I have often wondered about this, it's really not on for a hardware manufacturer to misuse open source software in this way.
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I wish the Antminer monitor program worked but for some reason it gives a .net error.
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Hashrate - 5min:513.11G / 30min:493.11G / 1hr:487.73G O
Is that alright for 237M?

Yup  Wink
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I think that's what I have with the default settings. I think it should be more though
newbie
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Hashrate - 5min:513.11G / 30min:493.11G / 1hr:487.73G O
Is that alright for 237M?
hero member
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WANTED: Active dev to fix & re-write p2pool in C
I do wish the BITMAIN would publish the device driver details so that a current version of cgminer could be attained. I know at least 2 releases in 4 had notes about queue improvements and one at least specifically stated it generated work much faster. Also one of the last 3's had an improvement about how work was loaded into devices. I know for sure 3.12 is very old and I am positive that many work generation improvements have been added since then.

Exactly. I don't understand why they don't work more closely with the cgminer devs - using such an old miner for this equipment is false economy. There have been many improvements & optimixations since this cgminer release, not to mention a very important fix for work redirection by a third party.
Can we just SSH in to it and compile CGMiner to a newer version ?
One would assume that we have access to their modified code and driver for cgminer which the cgminer license stipulates, however they have ignored our requests for making that code available. I am considering what direction to take now about that license violation.

Indeed, I saw your post requesting access to the code - ignoring it seems a very strange course of action by Bitmain, especially since agreeing & cooperating would not only benefit everyone - but would also stay within the legally binding license terms.......

I hope they realize their error & do the right thing - as well as live up to their claim of supporting the Bitcoin community.

@ckolivas: Is there anything we, the community, can do to help? Maybe if we all started mailing them they will take notice?
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Anyone have experience with an S3 where chain #1 gets much hotter? I have a 40 degree temperature on chain #1 while chain #2 is only 32 degrees. The whole thing is a lot slower than the other S3 I have.

Have already tried removing all the thermal paste from the chips and applying arctic MX-2, but that didn't change anything. Does it also help to change the paste on the inside? What else is there to try?

I had a similar problem. Mine were off by 4 to 5 degrees. I used the same paste as you, but went one step further and did one of the inside heatsinks,  before I ran out paste.  I have more on the way. The inside heatsinks have hundreds of thermal paste dots over the whole surface, so it was a challenge to try and spread the paste around.
The results were that the blades are now within 2 degrees of each other,  but the unit still struggles to pull 440gh/s, drops over time, and can't be overclocked without lower hash rates and Xs and -s showing up.
After the paste gets here, I will redo the other blade and see if it helps at all.
On a side note, I have also installed heatsinks on the R47s and the little black chips above them, and it did not seem to help at all. At this point I'm a little nervous about them being in there.
Thanks. Seems you have a similar problem as I do, just with a smaller temp diff. My problematic unit also doesn't OC well. I actually ran out of paste after just doing all the chips. Let me know if you see any improvement from repasting the backside of the other blade. Might get new paste and try that as well.

If you say the temps dropped but you didn't see any improvement in speed it might not be the source of the problem actually.
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Do any reputable sites (non ebay/amazon) have S3s in stock?

M

Not that I am aware of.
legendary
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Do any reputable sites (non ebay/amazon) have S3s in stock?

M
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
S3 sales slowing down or production ramping up?

I don't know about the production, but you can bet the sales are slowing down. Counting current diff increase trend 0.66 BTC per miner may very likely never been mined out of them. Probably expect serious BTC miner price reduction for Batch #7.

Haha, wrong sir!

Interesting. If it's shipped Aug 20th, it means starting mining Aug 23-25th. Type that in any calculator as a starting date with 10% difficulty increase and tell me if the miner will return 0.66 BTC.

10% difficulty increase?!? You wish man.  Next one will be at least 20-25% possibly higher....

30 mil hash came into the network right after last difficulty adjustment.  I agree next difficulty will be in the 20-25% range if not higher.

Also, besides the 30 mil added it looks like more then usual small network hash is getting added.  The 30 mil bumped us up to 169 right after ( 7 mil more was added since that spike )  

I was going to buy some more s3, but looks to me like something new is coming or private placement deal is going on withs oem big manufacturer.  The price staying at .66 btc is not staying in line with bitmain customers at least having a chance to get ROI like in the past.

I for one am holding off on getting any additional s3 units without a coupon ( Not happy bought 12 units and no coupons ) or a significant price reduction.

right now block rate is 8.8 minutes not 10 minutes.  that means 12- 14 %   not close to 20%.  

clock the block rates  if we stay at 8.8 minutes  we need to increase 13.6 % to go back to 10 minutes.

   8.8 x 1.136363 = about 10  .  If the rumor that cex.io added a monster center in iceland is real that was the big jump.  we won't add much from now on.


Care to make a gentlemanly wager?


 No I never make bets.     especially  with christ

my 12-14%  not close to 20% could be correct  after all.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

Bitcoin Difficulty:   19,729,645,941

Estimated Next Difficulty:   22,959,869,961 (+16.37%)

http://bitcoincharts.com

Difficulty   1972964594

Estimated   22005031037  about 11.53%


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I am curious has anyone had any RMA issues with Bitmain ?  i have provided them with the order ID and I am still having the hardest time getting RMA information from them.  They have demanded I perform a test with something called a multimeter (which i do not own, i had to go purchase one)  so i could test the chains.  My s3 device pretty much bricked itself with a firmware upgrade.  I cannot access the UI, the ip is not found (never changed from default).  I used an ipsniffer, and still zilch....anyhow, i am curious to know how Bitmain has dealt with RMA requests from others.   Thanks

It took me 2 1/2 weeks of those emails back and fourth. I finally told them I would sell it for parts on Bitcointalk.org and tell everyone about them not honoring warranty. Then and only then did they sent a RMA form. I sent it(controller) off 3 weeks ago and still don't have a replacement. Good luck.

What were your failure symptoms? I had one die today.. going to have to go down this road...


If somebody in Europe/France does have the same trouble, I'd be happy to have a look and try to unbrick it if Bitmain doesn't accept RMA.
Looks like unbricking could be done by serial line programming (easier) or JTAG if serial doesn't work (will have to find the solder points).

Both methods will require soldering and will void your warranty.

Also, what are the tests asked by Bimaintech?
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
I do wish the BITMAIN would publish the device driver details so that a current version of cgminer could be attained. I know at least 2 releases in 4 had notes about queue improvements and one at least specifically stated it generated work much faster. Also one of the last 3's had an improvement about how work was loaded into devices. I know for sure 3.12 is very old and I am positive that many work generation improvements have been added since then.

Exactly. I don't understand why they don't work more closely with the cgminer devs - using such an old miner for this equipment is false economy. There have been many improvements & optimixations since this cgminer release, not to mention a very important fix for work redirection by a third party.
Can we just SSH in to it and compile CGMiner to a newer version ?
One would assume that we have access to their modified code and driver for cgminer which the cgminer license stipulates, however they have ignored our requests for making that code available. I am considering what direction to take now about that license violation.
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