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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.

The CX430 should be rated for 32A on the 12+ rail. If you're feeling brave you could probably run a single S3@218 on one power supply. Would definitely work @212.

Also after bitcoin discount the corsair CX430 is only ~$15 from newegg. Very cheap solution for an underclocked S3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

You can't run a S3 on one CX430 because it only has one PCI-E.

I was thinking you could too.


Depending on your confidence, you could always cut the 8-pin CPU connector and splice in a PCIe connector if you have an extra adapter lying around. All of mine are running on similarly adapted server PSUs.
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Still no movement on he order page or emails for my two orders of 2 B5 S3's each ;-(

And here I thought they wee shipping before he 7th like they said ;-/
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.

The CX430 should be rated for 32A on the 12+ rail. If you're feeling brave you could probably run a single S3@218 on one power supply. Would definitely work @212.

Also after bitcoin discount the corsair CX430 is only ~$15 from newegg. Very cheap solution for an underclocked S3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

You can't run a S3 on one CX430 because it only has one PCI-E.

I was thinking you could too.


Can I run two Bitmain S3 on 950 watt PSU (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003U29C40/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)? It has four PCI-e, +12V 83A with max load of 1000W?

I have another 850W seasonic which has two PCI-e. But I have 2-6 pin mole connector to 1-pci-e connector coverter. So, I can make another two PCI-e connectors. Is is safe to use such configuration for two Bitmain S3?

Also, how long it takes to reach US once Bitmain ships the product from China (https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm)?

I have ordered two Bitmain s3 through a Ebay seller.

Thanks,
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.

The CX430 should be rated for 32A on the 12+ rail. If you're feeling brave you could probably run a single S3@218 on one power supply. Would definitely work @212.

Also after bitcoin discount the corsair CX430 is only ~$15 from newegg. Very cheap solution for an underclocked S3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

You can't run a S3 on one CX430 because it only has one PCI-E.

I was thinking you could too.
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47 minutes and one restart later, no ASIC errors. Same accepted share rate. This works.

Have you noticed actual bitcoin payout increase with this?

That's really hard to say. I run a pretty big farm and the pool luck has been VERY high lately. I'm inclined to say yes but I have no real empirical data.

What I can say for SURE, is that I am seeing more accepted shares from both units.

I use a modified version of this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/simple-cgminer-remote-monitoring-script-now-with-email-alerts-222632 script to query and store share data in a MongoDB for analysis.
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[MG]https://i.imgur.com/MyVl7y5.png[/img]

[MG]https://i.imgur.com/zgaxTrP.png[/img]

47 minutes and one restart later, no ASIC errors. Same accepted share rate. This works.

Have you noticed actual bitcoin payout increase with this?
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I'm sure many of you know how much trouble I was having with my S3s from B3 last week.
Since I've been running the cgminer restart every 1/2 hour, these are the results.



S31 is clocked at 218, up from 212.
S32 is clocked at 250, up from 218.

24-hour figures are still on the rise.

I am going to re-torque the heatsink on S31 and clock back up to 250. It holds, but always loses one chip about 10 minutes in.

They KEY here, is the restart the cgminer process whenever your problem miners start losing hash. It seems to be VERY different for each miner. But this has been the answer for me.

It ghash.io stats page. Post your Antminer stats page.
In ghash stats page I get even 800 for single S3, these are not reliable.
Also when restarting average of 30minute even at miners stats is not so real.
I mean sometimes when cgminer us started the avg will just show a high value like 500, 600 sone times it shows actual value.
So, do you have a figure for every 1hr restart? Why you are restarting at 30minutes? Due to chip shutoff?

Those are 5 minute, 15 minute, 1 hour, and 24 hour averages. Its from my pool, they pay me according to accepted shares. This is what I'm most concerned about. cgminer stats on these S3s are veritably useless.

Yes I know I have asic errors, but I don't really care because in 15 minutes, I won't.
My hashrates are up, my payouts show it.

This is it for me. No one ever said it was an elegant solution.






47 minutes and one restart later, no ASIC errors. Same accepted share rate. This works.
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.
One of those supplies should work fine for one S3 at stock frequencies as consumption is only around 14A per blade. Even overlocked to 250Mhz you'd probably be OK but your supply would be loaded to the max.
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I'm sure many of you know how much trouble I was having with my S3s from B3 last week.
Since I've been running the cgminer restart every 1/2 hour, these are the results.



S31 is clocked at 218, up from 212.
S32 is clocked at 250, up from 218.

24-hour figures are still on the rise.

I am going to re-torque the heatsink on S31 and clock back up to 250. It holds, but always loses one chip about 10 minutes in.

They KEY here, is the restart the cgminer process whenever your problem miners start losing hash. It seems to be VERY different for each miner. But this has been the answer for me.

It ghash.io stats page. Post your Antminer stats page.
In ghash stats page I get even 800 for single S3, these are not reliable.
Also when restarting average of 30minute even at miners stats is not so real.
I mean sometimes when cgminer us started the avg will just show a high value like 500, 600 sone times it shows actual value.
So, do you have a figure for every 1hr restart? Why you are restarting at 30minutes? Due to chip shutoff?

Those are 5 minute, 15 minute, 1 hour, and 24 hour averages. Its from my pool, they pay me according to accepted shares. This is what I'm most concerned about. cgminer stats on these S3s are veritably useless.

Yes I know I have asic errors, but I don't really care because in 15 minutes, I won't.
My hashrates are up, my payouts show it.

This is it for me. No one ever said it was an elegant solution.





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I'm sure many of you know how much trouble I was having with my S3s from B3 last week.
Since I've been running the cgminer restart every 1/2 hour, these are the results.



S31 is clocked at 218, up from 212.
S32 is clocked at 250, up from 218.

24-hour figures are still on the rise.

I am going to re-torque the heatsink on S31 and clock back up to 250. It holds, but always loses one chip about 10 minutes in.

They KEY here, is the restart the cgminer process whenever your problem miners start losing hash. It seems to be VERY different for each miner. But this has been the answer for me.

It ghash.io stats page. Post your Antminer stats page.
In ghash stats page I get even 800 for single S3, these are not reliable.
Also when restarting average of 30minute even at miners stats is not so real.
I mean sometimes when cgminer us started the avg will just show a high value like 500, 600 sone times it shows actual value.
So, do you have a figure for every 1hr restart? Why you are restarting at 30minutes? Due to chip shutoff?
legendary
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I'm sure many of you know how much trouble I was having with my S3s from B3 last week.
Since I've been running the cgminer restart every 1/2 hour, these are the results.



S31 is clocked at 218, up from 212.
S32 is clocked at 250, up from 218.

24-hour figures are still on the rise.

I am going to re-torque the heatsink on S31 and clock back up to 250. It holds, but always loses one chip about 10 minutes in.

They KEY here, is the restart the cgminer process whenever your problem miners start losing hash. It seems to be VERY different for each miner. But this has been the answer for me.

I am not familiar with this interface..is this ghash?
what's from left to right?
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.

The CX430 should be rated for 32A on the 12+ rail. If you're feeling brave you could probably run a single S3@218 on one power supply. Would definitely work @212.

Also after bitcoin discount the corsair CX430 is only ~$15 from newegg. Very cheap solution for an underclocked S3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.

The CX430 should be rated for 32A on the 12+ rail. If you're feeling brave you could probably run a single S3@218 on one power supply. Would definitely work @212.
full member
Activity: 207
Merit: 112
I'm sure many of you know how much trouble I was having with my S3s from B3 last week.
Since I've been running the cgminer restart every 1/2 hour, these are the results.



S31 is clocked at 218, up from 212.
S32 is clocked at 250, up from 218.

24-hour figures are still on the rise.

I am going to re-torque the heatsink on S31 and clock back up to 250. It holds, but always loses one chip about 10 minutes in.

They KEY here, is the restart the cgminer process whenever your problem miners start losing hash. It seems to be VERY different for each miner. But this has been the answer for me.
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.

I have my S1 farm running with 2x evolabs e-600 psu's per miner (one for each blade) these give 16amps on a single PCI-e plug    and   16 amps on the second mixed 12volt rail.

Not a lot of spare headroom on these psu's     but they are cheap.     (16 amps x 12 volts = 192 watts)
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.

You can use. Plug one PSU to one blade and the other one to the second blade.
There should be no lines to a single blade from more than 1 psu.
Just make sure you are not doing the above and fire up the Ant S3-es.
Bitmain even hits that 2 psus can be used. Check the manual too.
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Does anyone has any experience with using 2 different psu's (one for each blade) on an S3. I have a couple of corsair CX430's laying around and was hoping i could use 2 to power one S3.
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Current plan is DC to AC to DC using off the shelf tech. That way any excess KWH is sold to power company. The grid becomes our "battery bank".

Am exploring a 600V to 48V Battery Bank system to power the miners.
So it would be 600V DC (solar array) to charge controllers (Morningstar MPPT 600's) to 48V Batteries (probably US Battery 425A/hr L16 HC's in strings of Cool to 48V/12V DC/DC converters to the miners. System would include AC/DC battery charging for those non-sunny days. Backup genny for battery charging when/if the grid goes away (I own a continuous duty rated 35Kw Onan that is just looking for a purpose in life). This is a grid isolated system technically.
Downside of that route is conversion inefficiencies, cost of batteries, cost and complexity of DC/DC conversion(s). Upside is that the miners are effectively UPS'ed and battery backed up.

Am also looking at using Syn-Gas to power a genny. Which is wood gasification, purify and warehouse the gas (methane, CO, and minor amounts of H2 in suspension, Nat Gas effectively), then use the Syn-Gas to power the genny to do battery charges periodically. Logging scrap is plentiful here and currently considered an annoying waste product of the logging industry.

Am also investigating using wood gasification Syn-Gas as a feed stock to a Fisher-Troops processor to make liquid fuels (diesel/gasoline, GTL-Gas to Liquid). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process

Another possibility is using wood gasification Syn-Gas in Bloom Energy processors. Like the ones used by eBay, Google, and Walmart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server.

We have time to sort all this out and make an informed decision. As we move forward I'll try to remember to post pics.


Is it possible to use the grid power for mining and simply use solar to kick the power back to utility. Such setup would be simpler, I guess.

Yes, absolutely.
The 2 systems need not be tied together. And, in fact, can be geographically distant.
The downside is that the power sold is at a lower $$$/KWH than the power bought.
So it makes monetary sense to use what you generate and sell the excess.
Hence the need/desire to tie the systems together and let it "load balance" itself. Buying some at times and selling some at times.

But how due to the very low solar power available time (<= 6hrs) per day the break even on such a setup will be too long.

The breakeven on the panels currently installed is 24-26 months. Which were purchased 2 years ago year from ML Solar @ $0.76/W. At the time of installation, cost per KWH from Lake Country Power was $0.134/KWH. So these panels are about to hit the breakeven point.

This includes accounting for being @ ~45 degrees latitude which effectively derates a panels output by 30% (70% of rated output, have always found it interesting that the output is roughly the sine of the angle of the latitude, oh shit physics really does work in real world everyday life). Panels are typically rated @ 1000W/meter squared (which is somewhere near the equator). Here in Northern Minnesota that figure drops to ~700W per square meter due to us being higher up on the planet making the photons travel through more atmosphere. Hence less of them reach the surface and energy density is less.

Regarding the Solar charging hours per day issue, this is mitigated by using extremely efficient charge controllers and/or grid tie inverters. Hence my favoritism of enphase microinverters and the Morningstar MPPT charging controller product line.

In conjunction, in battery bank style systems, by designing the battery bank to the lowest feasible voltage. Charging hours are expanded. Because the panels have to overcome a lower voltage to cause battery charging to happen. Thereby expanding the charging hours per day on both ends (morning and evening).

In the current system, which is charges a 12V battery bank, three solar panels are connected in series, which means to cause charging to occur each panel (Voc 37.35V, Vmpp 29.29V) only needs to output 4.4 volts (13.2V combined). This occurs ~8AM and ceases ~6PM. Now is the panel putting out rated current at those times, No. But what it does do is expand the effective hours per day to something closer to 8+.

By changing the battery bank nominal voltage to 48V charging would occur much later in the morning and would cease much earlier in the afternoon. Consequently losing or wasting all the energy the panels were capable of supplying during those early morning and evening hours. The lower nominal battery voltage accounts for a 20%-30% increase in harvested energy (time of year dependent).

To your point, in badly designed systems the effective charging times per day can be as short as 4 hours per day. The devil really is in the details.

Low hours per day charging propaganda is bantered about by fossil fuel dependent energy sources as a means to dissuade consumers from closely examining alternative energy sources.
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Observation.
In one of the Batch 4 machines I got, there is a machine with a July 28 firmware date within the Kernel Log.

Anyone noticed that?  Is that an experimental firmware?

The cooling fans report constant 7000-9000 RPM range.  That doesn't look normal.  Recommendations?

Same for me here but a little lower. The fans at 5000  to 7000 rpm for batch 4 S3s. hashing is speed is normal 441Ghs.
Not checked the firmware or its date. Temperatures are normal and lower than batch one.
My all S3 batch 4 units fan is at 5000-7000, I checked it with a piece and the fan are running in higher rpm.
So, its not a hardware error, I think the miner is configured to run at that speed.
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Observation.
In one of the Batch 4 machines I got, there is a machine with a July 28 firmware date within the Kernel Log.

Anyone noticed that?  Is that an experimental firmware?

The cooling fans report constant 7000-9000 RPM range.  That doesn't look normal.  Recommendations?



I also just had an issue with two of my miners.  They both just dropped to 380 gh/s. and are giving me some 0000-0--00- in the ASIC status.  Anyone else have this problem or had to deal with this?
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