Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 329. (Read 710164 times)

Quote from: aztecminer on August 02, 2014, 05:39:58 PM

Quote from: squashpile on August 02, 2014, 04:02:51 PM

there is no proof that re-pasting affected any of this, and I assume that this is just after a few hours. Some units have a habit of starting bright (at >470), then spontaneously dipping back to 440GH or even lower. It is also possible that OP had great units to begin with.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wpm9oz.jpg

there is the first four S3's first screens i took ..
what i think the problem is the stock thermal paste ..
two of the S1's in the above pic are under performing ..
those two were unable to be overclocked ..
both of those have same symptom thermal grease leaking ..
i think the under performance is the stock thermal paste touching the pins ..
maybe the stock thermal paste is capacitive ..
which is same reason i think no one sees improvements using AS5 ..
i will be opening those two S1's and swap the paste and test ..

I am thinking of ordering either Arctic MX-4 or GC-extreme to solve this puzzle once and for all. I have a machine that stubbornly performs at 428Gh at 212.5 and worse on higher mhz. I already applied AS5 very carefully (only on chips) with no effect (positive and negative). I will order one of the pastes above and try again in a few days. if nothing improves, then it is NOT the paste, but DC-DC converter (as I suspect). Could be beneficial for the other 4 machines I am expecting (if new paste works), hence the incentive.
Here is paste comparison:
http://www.eteknix.com/arctic-cooling-mx-4-thermal-paste-review/5/

I have some MX-4 coming along with several small heatsinks for the dc chips as well as the r47s.

If capacitive paste is the issue the fix is more in properly cleaning the boards before the reapply.

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

Ah, and now after tightening my heatsinks, I have a 5 degree temp difference in blades, instead of 4 degrees. It started to drop from 440GH/s to 420GH/s earlier today. Now it wants to stay there. Maybe it is due to the paste. Bitmain had made the recommendation to swap the paste, to some people.

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That is CGRemote. I also use MultiMiner. They both work well.
https://coinmyne.com/software/cgremote/
http://www.multiminerapp.com/

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on August 02, 2014, 03:59:32 PM

Quote from: squashpile on August 02, 2014, 03:54:26 PM

B4 has been solid for me so far. I have one @ 225 the other stock freq. I have not seen any drop in hash rate yet. It's only been 24 hrs though. I do have one that does not report fan speed. Maybe the batches are improving? What do you guys think?

I see from the image you use P2Pool, but what type of management are you using for those what I assume are some sort of widgets ?

You know if any of those two things will work with remotely hosted units outside the home ?

My current setup which is three dragons and a Prospector200 from Visionman are all hosted about 5hrs from m which is where my four S3's are going. But would love a all in one management software.

FWIW, what's the significant difference between those two pieces of software you linked to ?

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Quote from: 9600 on August 02, 2014, 07:28:21 PM

Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

someone had posted before that little black chips above R47 are actual dc-dc converter chips.
are you planning to put small heat sinks on them?

This has proven to have no effect on hashrate. Multiple members, including myself, have attempted this in misguided attempts to address the issue.

I'm hoping it will help with the drop off. Or maybe help when overclocking. I think capacitive paste is likely the issue with hash rate, now that mine dropped after tightening down the heatsinks.

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Quote from: 9600 on August 02, 2014, 07:28:21 PM

Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

someone had posted before that little black chips above R47 are actual dc-dc converter chips.
are you planning to put small heat sinks on them?

This has proven to have no effect on hashrate. Multiple members, including myself, have attempted this in misguided attempts to address the issue.

tinkerers will tinker, until, hopefully, a reproducible solution to underperforming ants is found.
I don't believe that this is like cancer where you could have hundreds of different genetic causes and their combinations.

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Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

someone had posted before that little black chips above R47 are actual dc-dc converter chips.
are you planning to put small heat sinks on them?

Yes, when they arrive.

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Quote from: 9600 on August 02, 2014, 07:28:21 PM

Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

someone had posted before that little black chips above R47 are actual dc-dc converter chips.
are you planning to put small heat sinks on them?

This has proven to have no effect on hashrate. Multiple members, including myself, have attempted this in misguided attempts to address the issue.

looks more and more a question of luck you get a good one or you don't . my b4 do very well pushing 478gh at 237 clocks no drop off after 6 hours. my b1 work best at 212 clocks 428 each

so 956gh vs 856gh big difference.

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Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

someone had posted before that little black chips above R47 are actual dc-dc converter chips.
are you planning to put small heat sinks on them?

This has proven to have no effect on hashrate. Multiple members, including myself, have attempted this in misguided attempts to address the issue.

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Quote from: solitude on August 02, 2014, 07:20:57 PM

Why is there no wifi on the S2 or S3? The S1 has it and it's brilliant.

It's a deal breaker for a lot of people.

The S3 has wifi, just no whip to attach an antenna. My wifi detected one of two units from about 15' away, the one time I tried. Some people have installed the whip and antenna.

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Quote from: solitude on August 02, 2014, 07:20:57 PM

Why is there no wifi on the S2 or S3? The S1 has it and it's brilliant.

It's a deal breaker for a lot of people.

The wifi circuitry is present on the S3 control board. There's no connector or antennae. You'll have to get those separately or get lucky and the wifi works without anything else needed. I have one unit like this.

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Quote from: WheresWaldo on August 02, 2014, 05:48:13 PM

Quote from: jpchrist on August 02, 2014, 05:45:39 PM

Quote from: DevonMiner on August 02, 2014, 04:30:07 PM

Is anybody running three S3's from a Corsair AX1200i without problems (not overclocked) ?

Just wondering if this will be OK, I have the offer of a cheap one from a friend.

Yes, i am running 2 x S3 on a 1200i. Pulls 1040 from the wall. No problem.

Not overclocked? That seems wrong. These units pull ~366w stock frequency.

Actually they pull less for ma batchs. Antec 1300watt pro platinum. psu @120v 3xS3 = 875-900 watts at the wall

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Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

someone had posted before that little black chips above R47 are actual dc-dc converter chips.
are you planning to put small heat sinks on them?

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Quote from: aztecminer on August 02, 2014, 07:08:45 PM

Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

Quote from: aztecminer on August 02, 2014, 05:39:58 PM

Quote from: Lowell904 on August 02, 2014, 06:41:20 PM

there is no proof that re-pasting affected any of this, and I assume that this is just after a few hours. Some units have a habit of starting bright (at >470), then spontaneously dipping back to 440GH or even lower. It is also possible that OP had great units to begin with.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wpm9oz.jpg

there is the first four S3's first screens i took ..
what i think the problem is the stock thermal paste ..
two of the S1's in the above pic are under performing ..
those two were unable to be overclocked ..
both of those have same symptom thermal grease leaking ..
i think the under performance is the stock thermal paste touching the pins ..
maybe the stock thermal paste is capacitive ..
which is same reason i think no one sees improvements using AS5 ..
i will be opening those two S1's and swap the paste and test ..

I am thinking of ordering either Arctic MX-4 or GC-extreme to solve this puzzle once and for all. I have a machine that stubbornly performs at 428Gh at 212.5 and worse on higher mhz. I already applied AS5 very carefully (only on chips) with no effect (positive and negative). I will order one of the pastes above and try again in a few days. if nothing improves, then it is NOT the paste, but DC-DC converter (as I suspect). Could be beneficial for the other 4 machines I am expecting (if new paste works), hence the incentive.
Here is paste comparison:
http://www.eteknix.com/arctic-cooling-mx-4-thermal-paste-review/5/

I have some MX-4 coming along with several small heatsinks for the dc chips as well as the r47s.

If capacitive paste is the issue the fix is more in properly cleaning the boards before the reapply.

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

i'm not saying it is the issue, that just what i was thinking though with my two under performing S1's .
i did not have enough heat sinks for the r47's .. i have enough copper heat sinks fit r47 for one unit ..
i have enough aluminum heat sinks fit r47 for one unit ..i didn't have enough for all units so i didn't use them ..
i did put aluminum heat sinks on the black chips ..
one other thing i did was reverse the fans .. that is so the ethernet port is in the back of the unit ..
and i needed the heat to flow towards the back of the unit ..

Did you use pads or paste on those little black chips?

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Why is there no wifi on the S2 or S3? The S1 has it and it's brilliant.

It's a deal breaker for a lot of people.

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Quote from: aztecminer on August 02, 2014, 05:39:58 PM

there is no proof that re-pasting affected any of this, and I assume that this is just after a few hours. Some units have a habit of starting bright (at >470), then spontaneously dipping back to 440GH or even lower. It is also possible that OP had great units to begin with.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wpm9oz.jpg

there is the first four S3's first screens i took ..
what i think the problem is the stock thermal paste ..
two of the S1's in the above pic are under performing ..
those two were unable to be overclocked ..
both of those have same symptom thermal grease leaking ..
i think the under performance is the stock thermal paste touching the pins ..
maybe the stock thermal paste is capacitive ..
which is same reason i think no one sees improvements using AS5 ..
i will be opening those two S1's and swap the paste and test ..

I am thinking of ordering either Arctic MX-4 or GC-extreme to solve this puzzle once and for all. I have a machine that stubbornly performs at 428Gh at 212.5 and worse on higher mhz. I already applied AS5 very carefully (only on chips) with no effect (positive and negative). I will order one of the pastes above and try again in a few days. if nothing improves, then it is NOT the paste, but DC-DC converter (as I suspect). Could be beneficial for the other 4 machines I am expecting (if new paste works), hence the incentive.
Here is paste comparison:
http://www.eteknix.com/arctic-cooling-mx-4-thermal-paste-review/5/

I have some MX-4 coming along with several small heatsinks for the dc chips as well as the r47s.

If capacitive paste is the issue the fix is more in properly cleaning the boards before the reapply.

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

i'm not saying it is the issue, that just what i was thinking though with my two under performing S1's .
i did not have enough heat sinks for the r47's .. i have enough copper heat sinks fit r47 for one unit ..
i have enough aluminum heat sinks fit r47 for one unit ..i didn't have enough for all units so i didn't use them ..
i did put aluminum heat sinks on the black chips ..
one other thing i did was reverse the fans .. that is so the ethernet port is in the back of the unit ..
and i needed the heat to flow towards the back of the unit ..

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if nothing improves, then it is NOT the paste, but DC-DC converter

Which DC/DC converter is Bitmain using on the S3 ?

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Quote from: aztecminer on August 02, 2014, 05:39:58 PM

Quote from: WheresWaldo on August 02, 2014, 05:33:02 PM

there is no proof that re-pasting affected any of this, and I assume that this is just after a few hours. Some units have a habit of starting bright (at >470), then spontaneously dipping back to 440GH or even lower. It is also possible that OP had great units to begin with.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wpm9oz.jpg

there is the first four S3's first screens i took ..
what i think the problem is the stock thermal paste ..
two of the S1's in the above pic are under performing ..
those two were unable to be overclocked ..
both of those have same symptom thermal grease leaking ..
i think the under performance is the stock thermal paste touching the pins ..
maybe the stock thermal paste is capacitive ..
which is same reason i think no one sees improvements using AS5 ..
i will be opening those two S1's and swap the paste and test ..

I am thinking of ordering either Arctic MX-4 or GC-extreme to solve this puzzle once and for all. I have a machine that stubbornly performs at 428Gh at 212.5 and worse on higher mhz. I already applied AS5 very carefully (only on chips) with no effect (positive and negative). I will order one of the pastes above and try again in a few days. if nothing improves, then it is NOT the paste, but DC-DC converter (as I suspect). Could be beneficial for the other 4 machines I am expecting (if new paste works), hence the incentive.
Here is paste comparison:
http://www.eteknix.com/arctic-cooling-mx-4-thermal-paste-review/5/

I have some MX-4 coming along with several small heatsinks for the dc chips as well as the r47s.

If capacitive paste is the issue the fix is more in properly cleaning the boards before the reapply.

I have one machine with a blade running 4 degrees cooler than the other. I just opened it up and found that the outside heatsinks were a little on the loose side. When I probed the r47s and the black chips above them, I found the temps to be between 90F - 102F on the R47s and 93F to 111F on the black chips. I'll be trying heatsinks before too long.
Temps were coolest near the intake and warmest in the middle of the unit.

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Did you guys prefer DHL or UPS when it came to ordering from bitmaintech?

UPS was fine here in the USA.

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Sorry i meant 3 x S3s...

Thanks for your update, I thought it would be OK.

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Quote from: aztecminer on August 02, 2014, 05:39:58 PM