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Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 347. (Read 710164 times)

sr. member
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You guys had plenty of time to place an order before the bitcoin price tanked.  Seriously stop complaining and acting as if the sky is falling if they raise their prices.  If you are a serious miner, you already have your S3's, or ordered them already.  If you are a casual miner, you shouldn't care about .01-.1 price fluctuations.

I'm getting really tired of people coming in this thread and flaming the only reliable mining company in the business that constantly gets better and better.  Seriously.  Stop it.
legendary
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Question to someone adept in thermal paste application:

1. If you take the heat sink off and see that paste is applied OK by Bitmain, can you just slowly plop the heat sink back, or you HAVE to clean up and reapply new paste?
2. How much of AS5 to apply? I tried to do it on the first machine (too early to know the results) and you can actually spread it very thin with a rasor blade or exacto knife.
3. When it stabilizes after the application as far as thermal transmission is concerned? AS5 manual talks about something happening in ~25hr and something else in ~200hr.

1. Not advisable to reuse old thermal compound when reseating a heat sink.  Always start with a fresh compound.  Remove old TIM with pure anhydrous isopropyl alcohol (99+%).
2. Enough to cover as much surface area on the chip as possible when the heat sink is finally seated without excessive surplus TIM squeezed out along the sides of the chip.
3. Several thermal cycles (i.e. turning off the device and letting it cool down and start again) in addition to 200 hours of curing time for optimum AS5 performance (would probably improve by a couple of degrees C assuming the heat sink is seated properly with the right amount of TIM).

hero member
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Does Bitmain offer free shipping to U.S.?
ZiG
sr. member
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Today the price of batch 5 for the S3 when from 0.64 BTC to 0.66 BTC and then a few hours later to 0.68 BTC.

Even though difficulty keeps increasing, this price increase does not make any sense.
based on https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty the next difficulty increase will be over 5%

The only thing I can think of that may have caused the increase is that the S3 is really priced in dollars converted to Bitcoins, because the Bitcoin value drop from about $600 to $560, then Bitmain to continue receiving the equivalent in dollars increase the bitcoin price.

But if this is the case that attitude is wrong because the miners do not generate dollars they generate Bitcoins, and that is a clear way  of reducing the ROI for the miners, thats like saying we are having a loss ( really it is having less profit not a loss) and we need to increase our profit but we do not care about your profit, and that is not ethical and creates a loss-win situation.

The correct attitude for Bitmain would be Bitcoin is going down, well the miner is also generating less, if he wins we win, but it seems that is not the line of thought.

I worry to some degree since I have seen changes in attitude, for example KNC last year they look like they were a great company and by a sequence of small changes they completely transformed themselves from good to bad, they simply do not care about the miner and only a year ago they gave a completely different impression.

Right now Bitmain is the best, but I have seen changes that do not look good and if this continues they could become the next KNC, for example when Bitcoin drops the price of S3 increases which makes no sence for the miner since the S3 is a bitcoin generator the only case which could justify a price increase where to be if the actual cost of making the miner increased but that is not the case, a short time ago they were selling from stock, now they are pre sales, 1 or 2 week pre sales but nevertheless pre sales, and when the s4 is releasing this time frame could increase, to lets say 4 weeks, so that is also a step in a bad direction.


If Bitmain whats to stay on top, they must think and always have an environment that creates a win win situation for for them and for the miner.

They should go back to sell from stock, and ship within 48 hours.
They should drop the price accordingly to the difficulty increases, 10% difficulty increase then 10% drop in price, but should not try to profit at the expense of the miner.
They should always take into account that the miner must ROI, not that he/she may ROI.
As of now the S3 may ROI, nut that it will ROI, there is a risk, that risk should be shared.

Bitmain is in a unique position that they could go to being the best or take the same route that was taken by KNC, only time will tell, but recent indications like the price increase and still no selling from stock tells me they are taking the wrong route, the same patch that was taken by KNC, but it is not late we all make mistakes, I just hope things improve.

Today I like Bitmain, just as I liked KNC a year ago, but because I see a similar pattern I worry, since only a year ago KNC was like Bitmain is today, I just hope that a year later Bitmain does not become like KNC is today, I did not mention BFL since that is an extreme case it is really hard to be that bad.

I hope if Bitmain can clarify if the S3 are internally really prices in dollars and then the price converted to Bitcoins, since I really do not see what could have caused that price increase, I was actually expecting a price drop due to the 1 or 2 week window of pre order delay and the current difficulty increase.

This last price increase is at the expense of the miner.


+ 1.01 (BTC)... Grin

You are completely correct...BitMain IS changing their behavior ...in the wrong direction...IMHO too... Wink

It's all started with S2...

ZiG
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The pricing does make you scratch your head when batch 1 miners sold weeks ago for .692 BTC ( .75 BTC after 7.7% discount)  Yes, I know BTC was higher then....

legendary
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$ and that perhaps the expected results from network difficulty and competitive hardware that is available for orders now and shipping within a week.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8104085
sr. member
Activity: 280
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Brainwashed this way
It's based on dollars. It's all based on dollars. No miner is sold in relation to ROI. They have already bought the chips and paid for pcb and parts and they add that to the max amount they think the customer will pay. The good thing about Bitmain is they don't hold onto to prepaid miners as long as most of the other guys do. So they take a loss on some of the bitcoin they could make using customers miners.
sr. member
Activity: 313
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Today the price of batch 5 for the S3 when from 0.64 BTC to 0.66 BTC and then a few hours later to 0.68 BTC.

Even though difficulty keeps increasing, this price increase does not make any sense.
based on https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty the next difficulty increase will be over 5%

The only thing I can think of that may have caused the increase is that the S3 is really priced in dollars converted to Bitcoins, because the Bitcoin value drop from about $600 to $560, then Bitmain to continue receiving the equivalent in dollars increase the bitcoin price.

But if this is the case that attitude is wrong because the miners do not generate dollars they generate Bitcoins, and that is a clear way  of reducing the ROI for the miners, thats like saying we are having a loss ( really it is having less profit not a loss) and we need to increase our profit but we do not care about your profit, and that is not ethical and creates a loss-win situation.

The correct attitude for Bitmain would be Bitcoin is going down, well the miner is also generating less, if he wins we win, but it seems that is not the line of thought.

I worry to some degree since I have seen changes in attitude, for example KNC last year they look like they were a great company and by a sequence of small changes they completely transformed themselves from good to bad, they simply do not care about the miner and only a year ago they gave a completely different impression.

Right now Bitmain is the best, but I have seen changes that do not look good and if this continues they could become the next KNC, for example when Bitcoin drops the price of S3 increases which makes no sence for the miner since the S3 is a bitcoin generator the only case which could justify a price increase where to be if the actual cost of making the miner increased but that is not the case, a short time ago they were selling from stock, now they are pre sales, 1 or 2 week pre sales but nevertheless pre sales, and when the s4 is releasing this time frame could increase, to lets say 4 weeks, so that is also a step in a bad direction.


If Bitmain whats to stay on top, they must think and always have an environment that creates a win win situation for for them and for the miner.

They should go back to sell from stock, and ship within 48 hours.
They should drop the price accordingly to the difficulty increases, 10% difficulty increase then 10% drop in price, but should not try to profit at the expense of the miner.
They should always take into account that the miner must ROI, not that he/she may ROI.
As of now the S3 may ROI, nut that it will ROI, there is a risk, that risk should be shared.

Bitmain is in a unique position that they could go to being the best or take the same route that was taken by KNC, only time will tell, but recent indications like the price increase and still no selling from stock tells me they are taking the wrong route, the same patch that was taken by KNC, but it is not late we all make mistakes, I just hope things improve.

Today I like Bitmain, just as I liked KNC a year ago, but because I see a similar pattern I worry, since only a year ago KNC was like Bitmain is today, I just hope that a year later Bitmain does not become like KNC is today, I did not mention BFL since that is an extreme case it is really hard to be that bad.

I hope if Bitmain can clarify if the S3 are internally really prices in dollars and then the price converted to Bitcoins, since I really do not see what could have caused that price increase, I was actually expecting a price drop due to the 1 or 2 week window of pre order delay and the current difficulty increase.

This last price increase is at the expense of the miner.
hero member
Activity: 539
Merit: 500
Received B3 hashing away normally, but never received B2   Cry Cry Cry , emailed bitmain but only thing so far is saying their complaining to UPS ... but still nothing, losing so much  Cry Cry Cry

- Tracking # : snip

WHY ME!
 

I would caution you about posting your tracking number as earlier it was discussed that in the past shipments had been redirected for delivery.

Says the guy who quoted the original post verbatim.   Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
Received B3 hashing away normally, but never received B2   Cry Cry Cry , emailed bitmain but only thing so far is saying their complaining to UPS ... but still nothing, losing so much  Cry Cry Cry

- Tracking # : 1ZR78990D957302078

WHY ME!
 

I would caution you about posting your tracking number as earlier it was discussed that in the past shipments had been redirected for delivery.
member
Activity: 78
Merit: 10
Received B3 hashing away normally, but never received B2   Cry Cry Cry , emailed bitmain but only thing so far is saying their complaining to UPS ... but still nothing, losing so much  Cry Cry Cry

- Tracking # : 1ZR78990D957302078

WHY ME!
 

That is the worst UPS tracking history I have ever seen.  So sorry!
member
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Merit: 10
-All Investment Has its Risks and Rewards-
Received B3 hashing away normally, but never received B2   Cry Cry Cry , emailed bitmain but only thing so far is saying their complaining to UPS ... but still nothing, losing so much  Cry Cry Cry


WHY ME!
 
EDIT: - Tracking - I guess ... but as knowing UPS before someone can redirect the destination it has to attempt delivery to the first address or the sender has to make the change. So at that point assuming unless Bitmain does it, nothing would happen plus thinking it is still would be a miracle for it to even go outside of China at this point ~_~. But I guess from now on I will just post it as a image.

legendary
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Question to someone adept in thermal paste application:

1. If you take the heat sink off and see that paste is applied OK by Bitmain, can you just slowly plop the heat sink back, or you HAVE to clean up and reapply new paste?
2. How much of AS5 to apply? I tried to do it on the first machine (too early to know the results) and you can actually spread it very thin with a rasor blade or exacto knife.
3. When it stabilizes after the application as far as thermal transmission is concerned? AS5 manual talks about something happening in ~25hr and something else in ~200hr.

1) yes and no. if you dont adjust and reapply some paste it would likely be worse than it started out. might still function fine but after all the work of remounting it you would have poorer contact than you started with
2) small amount. maybe the size of a plastic BB. dont put much effort spreading it since the pressure of the heatsink should do that for you
3) give it at least 12hrs to cure a little before running the antminer, it may take longer to reach 100% cured but will work anyways


no need to wait to try to cure the thermal paste since thermal paste does not dry or seal . you can powerup as soon as it is applied.

Thanks to everyone who responded. BTW, Arctic Silver 5 has thermal conductivity of ~8.5W/m-K

@aztecminer
Yes, Arctic Silver 5 manual says that you can start using immediately, but it will decrease the temperatures slowly (break-in over 200hr)
I am running 2.5 hours so far after AS5 application and temperature dropped from the initial 43 to 40-41C already.
I will wait to report the speed comparison until 12-14 h mark if not later.

@allcoinminer
Got it re plopping the heat sink back without cleaning and reapplication. However, I did spread it evenly over the surface, but took care not to have any on pins/connectors (because it is slightly capacitive according to manual).
I will post pictures later to explain why I decided to spread it (hint-what you described did not work for Bitmain).

@klondike_bar
thanks for the info regarding possible air bubble if no re-application of paste.
decided not to let it cure-too impatient, but started with lower mhz.

If you don't have AS5, and can't wait for amazon, grab it (3.5g) at Microcenter-they usually have loads. I ordered some online, but could not wait  Smiley
legendary
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Quick question relating to PSU...

Will I be able to get all 4 plugged in to OC the S3 using this? (I am nooby at this stuff, thx for help)


Corsair CX Series 600 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Bronze ATX12V/EPS12V 552 Power Supply CX600M

Any help would be great. I ordered those. Just want to make sure it will work with OverClocking while I have a chance to change order.

The CX600M only has two PCIe power connectors.

member
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So I got brave today. I have 2 S3s on 2 corsair 500W PSUs. I also have a S1 on a 600W modular corsair.

I clocked both S3s to 250mhz and left for 5 hours. Keep in mind I was only using 1 cable per blade or 2 cables per S3.

I got interesting results. One of them liked it and hashed around 500GH/s. The other dropped to around 360GH/s.

So I decided to keep the good one at 250mhz and brought the other one back to stock 218.75mhz.

I checked the watts at the wall on the OC unit and it pulls 453 watts while stock they pull 378 watts.

I'm at 250mzh with only 2 cables, which should be fine since the S1 pulls 410 watts stock with 2 cables and I had it pulling as much as 520 watts OCed and over-volted.

I thought it would be a good idea to put the OCed S3 on the 600 watt PSU, but when I did the cables got very warm, while when the unit was on the 500 watt PSU the cables were barely warm. All of the PSUs are bronze but, the CX has better cables then the CM I guess. I'm putting it back on the 500 watt. Hopefully 90% of the power rating will be okay.

I still have some other frequencies I can try with the other unit. I'll report back if I get anything above 440GH/s.
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Is anyone mining on P2Pool with their Antminer? I was getting great results but now I can barely make earn any shares. Is the firmware still incompatible?
legendary
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I put a ticket with bitmaintech support and I wish to share it with you all.
My S3 was hashing low at 400 - 420. Long term average was 421.
Bitmaintech engineer told me to remove the heat sink, clean it with a cloth and apply thermal new paste.
They recommended to buy "Dow Coining thermal paste grease" for this purpose.
Which can be sourced from ebay or amazon.
If its not available at your location buy any good thermal grease which has conductivity above 3.
Also I asked then about warranty issues if that type of a hack ws done, and they assured me that no warranty will be void for doing it.

What is the temperature of your miner?
Also do you have the links to the thermal paste ?

Yes "warranty' have not much value in the mining hardware.
41 - 42 was my temperature peaks at stock clocks.
I don't have any link to the thermal grease for now.
I'm searching for it to buy the same brand or the alternative one having >3 conductivity.
But most of the products I'm seeing is of conductivity 1.
I will post here the link if I find it or some else who has experience in doing this will support here.

If I have to resort to reseating the S3's heat sink, I'd probably use Arctic Silver 5 since I already have a couple of tubes of it to avoid additional expense.  I figured that if it's good enough for a CPU, it should be good enough for the BM1382.  Hopefully, it would work out.

legendary
Activity: 1092
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Question to someone adept in thermal paste application:

1. If you take the heat sink off and see that paste is applied OK by Bitmain, can you just slowly plop the heat sink back, or you HAVE to clean up and reapply new paste?
2. How much of AS5 to apply? I tried to do it on the first machine (too early to know the results) and you can actually spread it very thin with a rasor blade or exacto knife.
3. When it stabilizes after the application as far as thermal transmission is concerned? AS5 manual talks about something happening in ~25hr and something else in ~200hr.

1) yes and no. if you dont adjust and reapply some paste it would likely be worse than it started out. might still function fine but after all the work of remounting it you would have poorer contact than you started with
2) small amount. maybe the size of a plastic BB. dont put much effort spreading it since the pressure of the heatsink should do that for you
3) give it at least 12hrs to cure a little before running the antminer, it may take longer to reach 100% cured but will work anyways


no need to wait to try to cure the thermal paste since thermal paste does not dry or seal . you can powerup as soon as it is applied.
hero member
Activity: 525
Merit: 500
Of my 4 Batch 3's, 2 will run at 250mhz (504 ghs) Cheesy , The other 2 will run stable at 237.5 (483 ghs)

Overall I'm very happy Smiley

Have you done the firmware update? No
Whether you re-applied thermal paste? No
How long it passed with the said hash rate? 7 hours
member
Activity: 119
Merit: 10
I put a ticket with bitmaintech support and I wish to share it with you all.
My S3 was hashing low at 400 - 420. Long term average was 421.
Bitmaintech engineer told me to remove the heat sink, clean it with a cloth and apply thermal new paste.
They recommended to buy "Dow Coining thermal paste grease" for this purpose.
Which can be sourced from ebay or amazon.
If its not available at your location buy any good thermal grease which has conductivity above 3.
Also I asked then about warranty issues if that type of a hack ws done, and they assured me that no warranty will be void for doing it.

What is the temperature of your miner?
Also do you have the links to the thermal paste ?

Yes "warranty' have not much value in the mining hardware.
41 - 42 was my temperature peaks at stock clocks.
I don't have any link to the thermal grease for now.
I'm searching for it to buy the same brand or the alternative one having >3 conductivity.
But most of the products I'm seeing is of conductivity 1.
I will post here the link if I find it or some else who has experience in doing this will support here.

Have you tried just using 2 cables? I don't see the need for 4 when the S1 only had 2 and people were over-clocking them on top of it.

More to come about only using 2 cables...
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