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440GH/s 340W

I'm getting 440GH/s with 378Watt on a CX500 in the US on a 110V circuit, at the wall, taken about 5 min after start-up.

I have 2, each on a CX500. After taking readings I'm thinking it would be more efficient to have them both on a single PSU.
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Yeah but having your miner queue work from 5minutes ago and gain nothing is also a waste.
Properly setting up a queue/scan-time/expiry can decrease the load of your unit and increase efficiency of the work done.
Proper settings isn't the dark age, it's just something that never is done right Tongue There is a reason these options are here for us to optimize with the specific hardware we use! Smiley
I wrote the software, I know what I'm talking about. You're barking up the wrong tree with scan time and expiry.

I'm not barking up any tree
You wrote a software and we use the optimal settings for the different hardware and pools we use. Correct?

queue of 4096 is not helping the S3 while a lower queue is, so I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post.

Should we just go put 99999 on all the settings and expect them to function the same? Tongue

Here is the thing.
Queue is the number of work units to have ready in advance of need. 4k is high. 0 means everytime something runs out of work the CPU right then has to make new work. Having a queue of 1 means it sends work then makes one more.
Expiry is the time in seconds to hold delayed or un submitted work. 1 second means if it can't send immediately it's thrown away.
Scan time is the time that it can work off of given work units. Using stratum you will not need this lower as there is plenty of local work.
P2pool is different some. But for anyone not using it the defaults for cgminer are fine. It doesn't waste tons of bandwidth trying a new unit every second or throwing away work on any network delay. The queue is far above the default of 1.
now i understand what this boss talking bout...
so, its not like we need to modify anything...
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Yeah but having your miner queue work from 5minutes ago and gain nothing is also a waste.
Properly setting up a queue/scan-time/expiry can decrease the load of your unit and increase efficiency of the work done.
Proper settings isn't the dark age, it's just something that never is done right Tongue There is a reason these options are here for us to optimize with the specific hardware we use! Smiley
I wrote the software, I know what I'm talking about. You're barking up the wrong tree with scan time and expiry.

I'm not barking up any tree
You wrote a software and we use the optimal settings for the different hardware and pools we use. Correct?

queue of 4096 is not helping the S3 while a lower queue is, so I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post.

Should we just go put 99999 on all the settings and expect them to function the same? Tongue

sir, ghash vs eligius vs p2pool
pls try these pools with the modified queue and scantime...

hope we can see something WOW here

Yeah if you need, just modify your own config, point them at the two pools and conduct your own tests  Grin

My discarded practically disappeared and my load times were dropped by 1/3 1/2... I am happy enough with this. I can't justify why the same overclock is higher now and why the hashrate more stable



Well done. Hope to see more with next firmware updates. Can you see what the power draw is at the wall?
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Was Batch 4 always Aug 7th for ship date?  I could have sworn bitmaintech.com showed Aug 5th yesterday.  Can anyone confirm the shipment date of batch 4?

Almost
It was August 5th for batch 5... then it changed


Typo; I meant Batch 5.  Yea, I thought it changed.
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Was Batch 4 always Aug 7th for ship date?  I could have sworn bitmaintech.com showed Aug 5th yesterday.  Can anyone confirm the shipment date of batch 4?

look closer.
Batch 4-by Aug 2
Bath 5-Aug 7

Yes, I meant Batch 5
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Does anyone have the weird problem where normal clocked s3's give 440 GH/s quite well, and overclocked S3's (to 250), give...440 Gh/s?

They do seem to start out faster, with a higher rate initially, but always seem to go back down to this level. I just don't understand why they would do that. Hardware errors are low in all cases. I'm using P2Pool, but I don't think that should have anything to do with it. Does anyone shed some light on the issue?

From my testing they don't seem to show this behavior if you keep them cold, and I mean cold. I stuck a unit that would do 250 for 1-2h and then started falling in performance in front of a portable AC and got the load temps below 25C, it seemed to be just fine at 495GH/s+ under those temps (12h~ of testing) but not really worth it with the AC costs ;P

Or maybe it's just random behavior and it will drop the has hash rate despite the cooling given enough time, someone will figure these out eventually :/

It is all about the r47 dc to dc parts  keep them cold you will improve a bit.

heat sinks are cheapest way as they are a one shot price.

the  trick is to figure a way to get some air on them without killing off the rest of the units air flow.  every idea I have thought of that is cheap and easy means putting a few holes into the  case.

right now I have 2 more coming and I am floating a few ideas in my head to test.
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gotta let a coin be a coin
Did anyone receive the refund yet? Mine is still in init status.
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Does anyone have the weird problem where normal clocked s3's give 440 GH/s quite well, and overclocked S3's (to 250), give...440 Gh/s?

They do seem to start out faster, with a higher rate initially, but always seem to go back down to this level. I just don't understand why they would do that. Hardware errors are low in all cases. I'm using P2Pool, but I don't think that should have anything to do with it. Does anyone shed some light on the issue?

From my testing they don't seem to show this behavior if you keep them cold, and I mean cold. I stuck a unit that would do 250 for 1-2h and then started falling in performance in front of a portable AC and got the load temps below 25C, it seemed to be just fine at 495GH/s+ under those temps (12h~ of testing) but not really worth it with the AC costs ;P

Or maybe it's just random behavior and it will drop the has hash rate despite the cooling given enough time, someone will figure these out eventually :/
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Hello,

Can someone please tell me what is exact wattage at the wall (in Europe) using branded PSU, without any overclocking? And what is exact hashrate of the device (average) on panel and on mining pool?
I would like to add Antminer S3 to my small chart, showing efficiency of various ASIC miners. Thank you!

Check s3 oc thread. For me 721 watts 2 s3 in spain

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8034101
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does the s3 still have a 90 day warranty?
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Does anyone have the weird problem where normal clocked s3's give 440 GH/s quite well, and overclocked S3's (to 250), give...440 Gh/s?

They do seem to start out faster, with a higher rate initially, but always seem to go back down to this level. I just don't understand why they would do that. Hardware errors are low in all cases. I'm using P2Pool, but I don't think that should have anything to do with it. Does anyone shed some light on the issue?
legendary
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Hello,

Can someone please tell me what is exact wattage at the wall (in Europe) using branded PSU, without any overclocking? And what is exact hashrate of the device (average) on panel and on mining pool?
I would like to add Antminer S3 to my small chart, showing efficiency of various ASIC miners. Thank you!

10 amp x 240 volt = 2400 watt

that is the standard in scandinavia..

you are forgetting the AC to DC conversion of 0.71

AC voltage 240volts * 0.71(RMS conversion) = 170.40 volts DC

watts = amps * volts in DC

1704 watts = 10 amps * 170.40 volts(RMS)

240 volts AC @ 10 amps only gives you 1704 watts


ac to dc conversion depends on psu, some crappy psus will give a really bad conversion, while others give a better conversion

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To more accurately calculate the actual RMS current flowing through the transformer, I could divide up the complete cycle into 6 or so time slices, estimate the current flowing during each time slice -- that's pretty easy when it's zero -- and then do the root-mean-square (RMS) calculation: square each current, average each of those squared values, weighted by the time that current was flowing, and then that the square root of that average. It might be quicker and more accurate to run a simulation with thousands of time-slices than to work it out by hand.

There are many techniques for reducing the RMS current through the transformer while supplying exactly the same power to the load. Electric power companies love those techniques, because their customers are just as happy (the load gets exactly the same power), they get paid the same amount of money (for customers that pay per kWh), and they can spend less money for transformers and long power lines (because higher RMS currents require bigger, heavier, more expensive transformers and power lines). Those techniques go by the general name of "power factor correction".

source: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51397/how-to-calculate-a-current-being-drawn-by-a-full-wave-rectifier-diode-bridge

your rms calculation is based off of finding the rms of loudspeakers, and the correct value is 0.707

edit: besides i was talking about the max current you can draw from a 10 amp outlet, not converson rate :-p

2 decimal places gives 0.71 (accurate enough)

The calculation I listed is for standard AC to DC transformers with rectifiers

Efficiency would be another calculation based on the power supply quality. (and would be the basis of an interesting and variable discussion)

please see first highlight again :-)

second highlight, so true :-p

but then you would also have to include the rule about long time draw, and only use 80% of max output..
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Hello,

Can someone please tell me what is exact wattage at the wall (in Europe) using branded PSU, without any overclocking? And what is exact hashrate of the device (average) on panel and on mining pool?
I would like to add Antminer S3 to my small chart, showing efficiency of various ASIC miners. Thank you!

10 amp x 240 volt = 2400 watt

that is the standard in scandinavia..

you are forgetting the AC to DC conversion of 0.71

AC voltage 240volts * 0.71(RMS conversion) = 170.40 volts DC

watts = amps * volts in DC

1704 watts = 10 amps * 170.40 volts(RMS)

240 volts AC @ 10 amps only gives you 1704 watts


ac to dc conversion depends on psu, some crappy psus will give a really bad conversion, while others give a better conversion

Quote
To more accurately calculate the actual RMS current flowing through the transformer, I could divide up the complete cycle into 6 or so time slices, estimate the current flowing during each time slice -- that's pretty easy when it's zero -- and then do the root-mean-square (RMS) calculation: square each current, average each of those squared values, weighted by the time that current was flowing, and then that the square root of that average. It might be quicker and more accurate to run a simulation with thousands of time-slices than to work it out by hand.

There are many techniques for reducing the RMS current through the transformer while supplying exactly the same power to the load. Electric power companies love those techniques, because their customers are just as happy (the load gets exactly the same power), they get paid the same amount of money (for customers that pay per kWh), and they can spend less money for transformers and long power lines (because higher RMS currents require bigger, heavier, more expensive transformers and power lines). Those techniques go by the general name of "power factor correction".

source: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51397/how-to-calculate-a-current-being-drawn-by-a-full-wave-rectifier-diode-bridge

your rms calculation is based off of finding the rms of loudspeakers, and the correct value is 0.707

edit: besides i was talking about the max current you can draw from a 10 amp outlet, not converson rate :-p

2 decimal places gives 0.71 (accurate enough)

The calculation I listed is for standard AC to DC transformers with rectifiers

Efficiency would be another calculation based on the power supply quality. (and would be the basis of an interesting and variable discussion)
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440GH/s 340W
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Hello,

Can someone please tell me what is exact wattage at the wall (in Europe) using branded PSU, without any overclocking? And what is exact hashrate of the device (average) on panel and on mining pool?
I would like to add Antminer S3 to my small chart, showing efficiency of various ASIC miners. Thank you!

10 amp x 240 volt = 2400 watt

that is the standard in scandinavia..

you are forgetting the AC to DC conversion of 0.71

AC voltage 240volts * 0.71(RMS conversion) = 170.40 volts DC

watts = amps * volts in DC

1704 watts = 10 amps * 170.40 volts(RMS)

240 volts AC @ 10 amps only gives you 1704 watts


ac to dc conversion depends on psu, some crappy psus will give a really bad conversion, while others give a better conversion

Quote
To more accurately calculate the actual RMS current flowing through the transformer, I could divide up the complete cycle into 6 or so time slices, estimate the current flowing during each time slice -- that's pretty easy when it's zero -- and then do the root-mean-square (RMS) calculation: square each current, average each of those squared values, weighted by the time that current was flowing, and then that the square root of that average. It might be quicker and more accurate to run a simulation with thousands of time-slices than to work it out by hand.

There are many techniques for reducing the RMS current through the transformer while supplying exactly the same power to the load. Electric power companies love those techniques, because their customers are just as happy (the load gets exactly the same power), they get paid the same amount of money (for customers that pay per kWh), and they can spend less money for transformers and long power lines (because higher RMS currents require bigger, heavier, more expensive transformers and power lines). Those techniques go by the general name of "power factor correction".

source: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/51397/how-to-calculate-a-current-being-drawn-by-a-full-wave-rectifier-diode-bridge

your rms calculation is based off of finding the rms of loudspeakers, and the correct value is 0.707

edit: besides i was talking about the max current you can draw from a 10 amp outlet, not converson rate :-p
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Hello,

Can someone please tell me what is exact wattage at the wall (in Europe) using branded PSU, without any overclocking? And what is exact hashrate of the device (average) on panel and on mining pool?
I would like to add Antminer S3 to my small chart, showing efficiency of various ASIC miners. Thank you!

10 amp x 240 volt = 2400 watt

that is the standard in scandinavia..

you are forgetting the AC to DC conversion of 0.71

AC voltage 240volts * 0.71(RMS conversion) = 170.40 volts DC

watts = amps * volts in DC

1704 watts = 10 amps * 170.40 volts(RMS)

240 volts AC @ 10 amps only gives you 1704 watts
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I have S1 and S2 stats already, but thanks Smiley
Now I'm trying to get S3 and other devices performance stats, any feedback will be helpful! Smiley
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Hello,

Can someone please tell me what is exact wattage at the wall (in Europe) using branded PSU, without any overclocking? And what is exact hashrate of the device (average) on panel and on mining pool?
I would like to add Antminer S3 to my small chart, showing efficiency of various ASIC miners. Thank you!

10 amp x 240 volt = 2400 watt

that is the standard in scandinavia..

Do you have multimeter and checked it? What's device hashrate?

i was giving the max output atainable at the wall... im sorry, but i misread your question, my fault..

regarding the usage at the wall, depends heavily for your psu.. but i can give you an example for 3 antminer s1s (waiting for my s3s to arrive)

3x antminers s1 (all overclocked to 200) at wall : 1160 watt with 2xRM850 PSUs
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I measure 661W at the wall for two AntMiners. UK, nominally 240V. Default settings on miners.
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