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Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 374. (Read 710164 times)

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Overnight run  Grin so far so good...

~450watts for ~500gh/s

I think the massive HW spike is from internet outtage, it was at 40HW very early in the morning. Who knows. Either way it's minimal compared to 22,000 shares at 256 diff ( ~5mil shares )

Did you mod this machine?
Looks awesome

I see that your discards are very low. Did you change any other settings besides the frequency when you OCed?
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I use an old psu and just cut out so cables to make the jumper, although the 1200 watt didn't turn back on until I fixed the jumper cable so maybe that was the problem, I have 4 s3's 2x850watt and 1x1200 watt I'll give it another crack now that I know the 1200 watt can make 1 s3 mine
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na everything is off they power on and when they do the first beep it shows off the psu unless only one s3's is plugged in, i thought the 850watt should be able to power 2 so i went and got the 1200watt thinking that would definatly handle two but same problem
Do you have only two S3s? Are you trying to run other kit at the same time? Do you use the paperclip or something more sophisticated?
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Observations re S3 (vs S1)

S3 is quite a different beast. S1 was like a soldier. You give it an order to march at higher speed-and it does or "dies" trying-gives you XX.
One of my S3-I give it more juice (225 vs 218.75)-it goes up to 455, then back to the same 420 GH (while keeping all 0000).
Now trying 212.5, but it can do 430GH max on this-we will see.
There must be a controller (probably R47) that limits the performance no matter of what mhz you give it.
Cooling the case with an additional airflow from two fans directed at opposite sides did not help at all-I tried it.
However, i think that experimenting with heat sinks on R47 is a worthwhile endeavor.

I am wondering how the load average impact these, I ask because seeing the system at an average load average of 2.3 and 0% CPU cycles all of the time I wonder if cgminer is getting resource starved at all. On the surface it sure seems like it..

Very well may be.
They should hire some cgminer developer as a consultant.
This miner (S3) feels like it might need some software optimization.
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How can I get a S3 up to Canada for cheap?
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na everything is off they power on and when they do the first beep it shows off the psu unless only one s3's is plugged in, i thought the 850watt should be able to power 2 so i went and got the 1200watt thinking that would definatly handle two but same problem
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Observations re S3 (vs S1)

S3 is quite a different beast. S1 was like a soldier. You give it an order to march at higher speed-and it does or "dies" trying-gives you XX.
One of my S3-I give it more juice (225 vs 218.75)-it goes up to 455, then back to the same 420 GH (while keeping all 0000).
Now trying 212.5, but it can do 430GH max on this-we will see.
There must be a controller (probably R47) that limits the performance no matter of what mhz you give it.
Cooling the case with an additional airflow from two fans directed at opposite sides did not help at all-I tried it.
However, i think that experimenting with heat sinks on R47 is a worthwhile endeavor.

I am wondering how the load average impact these, I ask because seeing the system at an average load average of 2.3 and 0% CPU cycles free all of the time I wonder if cgminer is getting resource starved. On the surface it sure seems like it..
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Are you trying to plug in an S3 with the PSU running? Not a good idea. Turn PSU off before plugging/unplugging miners.
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ive been having problems with my s'3s
i can run one per psu fine with an 850 watt psu
when i plug the second one it turns them both off and i need to disconnect the psu for a few minutes and then power it back on
i just went out and got a 1200watt psu and the same thing happened
does it matter which pci-e ports i plug into?
should i power them on and different intervals?
i had all of them on before mining and that was fine but as they start to mine they cause the psu to stop
please help me cheers
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Was Batch 4 always Aug 7th for ship date?  I could have sworn bitmaintech.com showed Aug 5th yesterday.  Can anyone confirm the shipment date of batch 4?

Almost
It was August 5th for batch 5... then it changed
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So any guesses as to why the huge flood of S3s on the market had little effect on network hashrate?

When was the last change in difficulty compared with actual delivery of S3s?

How many S3s are now mining BTC?
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So any guesses as to why the huge flood of S3s on the market had little effect on network hashrate?
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Received my batch 1 miners yesterday.
Realistic guesses please: how likely is it that these devices will actually ROI at some point and how long would it take to make at least some profit with them starting from today?

If ROI is your only goal at this point leave everything you mine in BTC. So if you mine let's say your first 1 Bitcoin and its worth $600 and you leave it alone and Bitcoin goes up to $800 per Bitcoin you have just increased your payback for the same amount of time by $200. But if you mine for a week and move it all out to USD then you have a return at that days Bitcoin rate. So if you think Bitcoin will rise as I do, leave it all in BTC until you see that your conversion to USD is the same as what you paid in dollars assuming you paid in dollars. Also you will have to factor in electricity.

Right now with Bitcoin dropping in price its hard to feel any of these units at the prices we are seeing will ROI.
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Observations re S3 (vs S1)

S3 is quite a different beast. S1 was like a soldier. You give it an order to march at higher speed-and it does or "dies" trying-gives you XX.
One of my S3-I give it more juice (225 vs 218.75)-it goes up to 455, then back to the same 420 GH (while keeping all 0000).
Now trying 212.5, but it can do 430GH max on this-we will see.
There must be a controller (probably R47) that limits the performance no matter of what mhz you give it.
Cooling the case with an additional airflow from two fans directed at opposite sides did not help at all-I tried it.
However, i think that experimenting with heat sinks on R47 is a worthwhile endeavor.
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Received my batch 1 miners yesterday.
Realistic guesses please: how likely is it that these devices will actually ROI at some point and how long would it take to make at least some profit with them starting from today?

Do you have any other ROIed hardware you're adding these to?
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less than 90 days.
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Received my batch 1 miners yesterday.
Realistic guesses please: how likely is it that these devices will actually ROI at some point and how long would it take to make at least some profit with them starting from today?
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Skipped from S1 to S3. Anyone wanna donate a coupon to jimmyl?

Based on free electricity, would it be better/cheaper to run S1 than S3?
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I was able to get the discarded amount lowered as well as the load. I changed the queue to 0 from 4096 and added --scan-time 1 --expiry 1 to the cgminer file.
***IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WHAT THIS MEANS DO NOT TRY AS YOU WILL BRICK YOUR UNIT***

Thanks for this post ! Going to try this on one of my units and see how it works out.
This was default on the new firmware:

PARAMS="$AOPTIONS $POOL1 $POOL2 $POOL3 $_pb $_ow $_bec --api-listen --api-network --bitmain-checkn2diff --bitmain-hwerror --queue 4096"

I tried it on one by adding the --scan-time 1 --expiry 1 flags, but didn't see any difference in discards or load. Maybe some of you will have better luck.

Did you change the Queue to 0?
that I did not do - misread what you wrote. YES!! Just changed it and am seeing really good numbers. Discards are negligible now - 20 accepts and 3 discards. Load dropped from high 2s to under 2. AWESOME!!!!! You rock!

Since I've never SSH one of these, I don't want to risk bricking it.

If this fix turns out to be solid though, I hope Bitmain will include it in the next firmware release.

Or maybe I'll learn to SSH. On a side note. Does anyone know if you can get a better GHS/watt ratio by under-clocking the S1?

I'll tell you how to do it, but not going to go into every detail (how to SSH, sed, etc). Not responsible for you f'ing your stuff up.

1. SSH into the miner
2. cd /etc/init.d
3. cp cgminer cgminer.bak (in case you really muck it up, cgminer.bak will be your backup)
4. Enter this in the terminal:  sed -i 's/--queue 4096"/--queue 0 --scan-time 1 --expiry 1"/g' cgminer
5. press enter
6. go to the web interface of the miner - Status > Miner Configuration > Save & Apply  - this will restart cgminer with the new settings
7. go tip Duce for figuring this out for us

Duce, where's your tip jar? I owe you.

This is what you're changing:

Original --> PARAMS="$AOPTIONS $POOL1 $POOL2 $POOL3 $_pb $_ow $_bec --api-listen --api-network --bitmain-checkn2diff --bitmain-hwerror --queue 4096"
   
New & Improved --> PARAMS="$AOPTIONS $POOL1 $POOL2 $POOL3 $_pb $_ow $_bec --api-listen --api-network --bitmain-checkn2diff --bitmain-hwerror --queue 0 --scan-time 1 --expiry 1"

//S1 undervolt guide - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5838713

I'm attempting this mod, but when I enter sed -i 's/--queue 4096"/--queue 0 --scan-time 1 --expiry 1"/g' cgminer into putty, I get "no such file or directory". Does anyone know what I am doing wrong, I'm afraid to go much further.
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Overnight run  Grin so far so good...

~450watts for ~500gh/s

I think the massive HW spike is from internet outtage, it was at 40HW very early in the morning. Who knows. Either way it's minimal compared to 22,000 shares at 256 diff ( ~5mil shares )

Did you mod this machine?
Looks awesome
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