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Doing the math on the compensation offer...

Assume you bought 2 S3s from Batch 1  .75 BTC x 2 = 1.5 BTC

A refund of 7.7% = .1155 BTC

A coupon for 10% off of your next purchase of 2 miners at the current purchase price of .725 BTC each = (.725 * 2)(.1)= .145 BTC

Net difference is .145 - .1155 = .0295 BTC, or about $18.29.

That's only getting a $9 per miner bonus on a future order, not knowing at this point how future batches will hash.

Perhaps the 10% off coupon will apply to an unlimited number of miners on your future order, in which case the coupon will be of greater value.  Or maybe it won't have an expiration and you could use it when it becomes of maximum value.  But to me, it seems like money in hand is the better option.

Money in hand is the smarter option, but I'm such a sucker for coupons. It was such a brilliant move on Bitmains part, though.

but wasnt it a 10% coupon of the total amount you payed for batch 1,2 or 3?
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Frankly, all that I just wrote can also be found in the wiki. Uninformed people that base their opinion on their knowledge (or lack thereof) like you are the problem of this society.

Really that is the problem, hmm. Well I read the wiki and all I see is more infrastructure I have to maintain, more up dates, and more waiting for FW so my HW does not waste countless hours to make NADA. The thing that is wrong with society, IMHO, is jerks who hijack convos with annoying calls for information which has CLEARLY been stated as NOT AVAILABLE. Continuing to hammer the thread asking the same stupid question about a P2Pool functionality which is used by < 1% of the network is only meant to cast a negative light on a GREAT manufacturer. If they are SOOO worried why don't they BUY one and write the FW themselves OR WAIT until BitMain updates the status for S2/S3's to "P2Pool READY" IF they bother with such a marginal user base.


AS FOR NOW http://www.eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1CzqqXY4CDAhg9CY9gYzH1kCAHRcY3jrcm runs S1/S2's and SOON S3's very nicely.


Your claims are utterly misinformed again.

You do not have to maintain any additional hardware to mine on p2pool, just use a node near you.  (so no, there is no need to maintain anything additionally)

There is no additional downtime from using p2pool... why would there be? ( you can still use your favourite traditional pool as a backup if you have some irrational fear of downtime)

I do not think society as a whole has the same problem from people voicing their opinion on internet forums, than from people who make halfinformed decisions on problems they do not understand.

Again, your comments show that you just don´t understand the way how p2pool works so please, stop to science.
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Doing the math on the compensation offer...

Assume you bought 2 S3s from Batch 1  .75 BTC x 2 = 1.5 BTC

A refund of 7.7% = .1155 BTC

A coupon for 10% off of your next purchase of 2 miners at the current purchase price of .725 BTC each = (.725 * 2)(.1)= .145 BTC

Net difference is .145 - .1155 = .0295 BTC, or about $18.29.

That's only getting a $9 per miner bonus on a future order, not knowing at this point how future batches will hash.

Perhaps the 10% off coupon will apply to an unlimited number of miners on your future order, in which case the coupon will be of greater value.  Or maybe it won't have an expiration and you could use it when it becomes of maximum value.  But to me, it seems like money in hand is the better option.

Money in hand is the smarter option, but I'm such a sucker for coupons. It was such a brilliant move on Bitmains part, though.
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So... it was said that S3 will only need 2 PCIe connectors to operate, or 4 PCIe if it is overclocked.

We have now learned that overclocking by only 37GH/s makes it unstable to the point that Bitmain won't even do it or it could burn out. Does that mean at there really is no good reason to upgrade all PSUs to ones with 4 PCIe to replace S1 with S3??  Undecided

-OCS

As per the new situation one PCI-E cable is enough per blade.
Even if its overclocked one PCI-E cable can easily handle it.
Don't forget to check your PCI-E cable rating in you manual or cable itself.
Most corsair PCI-E cables are rated at 600W. Also keep a hand on your cables to check whether it heats up to the point where you can't hold on.


Thanks for your advice everyone, So then  a "Corsair Builder Series CXM 750W Modular 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX/EPS PSU" would be ok running 2 x Antminer S 3's then? Or am I getting confused?
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALK3QRS

If we speak theoretically, you can run two S3s overclocked(if possible) to 478Ghs/366W.
If you are running at stock 441Ghs/340W your current CX750M is very much ok.
If you are buying this one consider a higher Watts rated like 1000W or 1200W.
Always buy power supply in consideration with you term goals. If you can arrange a server power supply that will be more good.
Check ebay, a lot of used ones are at through away price, most of the mare at good efficiency too.
Finally my recommendation is to buy a 1000Watts PSU if you don't have a PSU yet else
wait till you get the miners and check how its running in your current CX750M.


Thanks again all, on reflection I think I will air on the side of caution!
I have 1x Corsair 1200w + 1x Corsair 750w after learning about the recent update on reduced Hash rates, I was thinking about running all 3 Antminers that I ordered off my 1200w and perhaps will buy 2 more to run off the 750w. Or do you think I should still run 2 off the 1200w and 1 off the 750w?



You can safely run three S3 in your Corsair 1200W.
If you are lucky, and your miner can be overclocked, still you can run three S3s safely in this 1200W.
Now you can have maximum 4 S3-es. Three on 1200W power supply and the other one on 750W PSU.
If you have a kill-A-Watt or equivalent meter measure the power consumption and then order one more S3 later.
Maybe, S3 power consumption may vary from the rated when you run it at your side.
(Tip: 0.77 is a pressure point)


Many thanks, I will take your Advice on this, cheers
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I was one of the first ones to order and still unshipped. Not very worried, though. I just hope they shipped already.

Hope no more delay as it was suppose to be 10th of July.
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I was one of the first ones to order and still unshipped. Not very worried, though. I just hope they shipped already.
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Doing the math on the compensation offer...

Assume you bought 2 S3s from Batch 1  .75 BTC x 2 = 1.5 BTC

A refund of 7.7% = .1155 BTC

A coupon for 10% off of your next purchase of 2 miners at the current purchase price of .725 BTC each = (.725 * 2)(.1)= .145 BTC
OR if the 10% coupon means 10% credit based on what you already spent =.15 BTC

Net difference is .145 - .1155 = .0295 BTC (or .15 - .1155 = .0345 BTC)  or about $18.29 (or $21.39)

That's only getting a $9 - $11 per miner bonus for rolling the dice on a future order, not knowing at this point how future S3 batches will hash, what the miner price will be, or impending difficulty jumps.

To me, it seems like money in hand is the better option.

Another compensation idea would be $600 off of an S2 and then Bitmain could clear out his inventory and people could get shipments of those in 48 hours...just a thought.
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So... it was said that S3 will only need 2 PCIe connectors to operate, or 4 PCIe if it is overclocked.

We have now learned that overclocking by only 37GH/s makes it unstable to the point that Bitmain won't even do it or it could burn out. Does that mean at there really is no good reason to upgrade all PSUs to ones with 4 PCIe to replace S1 with S3??  Undecided

-OCS

As per the new situation one PCI-E cable is enough per blade.
Even if its overclocked one PCI-E cable can easily handle it.
Don't forget to check your PCI-E cable rating in you manual or cable itself.
Most corsair PCI-E cables are rated at 600W. Also keep a hand on your cables to check whether it heats up to the point where you can't hold on.


Thanks for your advice everyone, So then  a "Corsair Builder Series CXM 750W Modular 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX/EPS PSU" would be ok running 2 x Antminer S 3's then? Or am I getting confused?
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALK3QRS

If we speak theoretically, you can run two S3s overclocked(if possible) to 478Ghs/366W.
If you are running at stock 441Ghs/340W your current CX750M is very much ok.
If you are buying this one consider a higher Watts rated like 1000W or 1200W.
Always buy power supply in consideration with you term goals. If you can arrange a server power supply that will be more good.
Check ebay, a lot of used ones are at through away price, most of the mare at good efficiency too.
Finally my recommendation is to buy a 1000Watts PSU if you don't have a PSU yet else
wait till you get the miners and check how its running in your current CX750M.


Thanks again all, on reflection I think I will air on the side of caution!
I have 1x Corsair 1200w + 1x Corsair 750w after learning about the recent update on reduced Hash rates, I was thinking about running all 3 Antminers that I ordered off my 1200w and perhaps will buy 2 more to run off the 750w. Or do you think I should still run 2 off the 1200w and 1 off the 750w?



You can safely run three S3 in your Corsair 1200W.
If you are lucky, and your miner can be overclocked, still you can run three S3s safely in this 1200W.
Now you can have maximum 4 S3-es. Three on 1200W power supply and the other one on 750W PSU.
If you have a kill-A-Watt or equivalent meter measure the power consumption and then order one more S3 later.
Maybe, S3 power consumption may vary from the rated when you run it at your side.
(Tip: 0.77 is a pressure point)
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Hello everyone,

When we were doing the first mass production, we found that not all of the S3’s DC/DC module could be stable enough to support the 478GH/s speed. After long time testing, all of the S3 run stably at 441GH/s, which however is 7.7% less than the 478GH/s we have announced.

So we decide the final specification of ANTMINER S3 here:

Hash Rate: 441 GH/s or more
Power Consumption: about 340 Watt at the wall when running at 441GH/s
Power Efficiency: 0.77 J/GH on wall
Power Supply: 12V DC
Size:  331 mm x 137 mm x 160 mm
Fans: Two 14038 fans mounted on both front and back ends.
Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 35 °C
Complied with: FCC / CE
Network Connection: Ethernet

Many of the customers may be lucky to find that their S3 can be overclocked to 478GH/s.

We apologize for this incident. We offer two options for customers:

1)   10.0% worth of coupon for the B1~B3 customers. This is the default option. (10% based on what you have paid for the B1~B3)
2)   7.7% worth of refund. We will release a function on our official website for application of this option. If you have bought from our resellers, please contact them and provide your Bitcoin address.

Shipping schedule updated:

Batch 1: The shipping will be finished in 14th and 17th.
Batch 2: It will be shipping out between 18th and 19th.
Batch 3: It will be shipping out between 19th and 22nd.

Anyone able to explain the bold text above?
What was causing the DC-DC module to become unstable and stable in some?
Anyone capable of pouring some technical or theoretical explanation for this phenomenon?
sr. member
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Corsair's PSU's have gone to shit the last 3-4 years since they stopped using Seasonic as an OEM.

For me, The best value 750w right now is the XFX 750 pro/core/black , Seasonic internals, £60 each. Smiley

They do spec well, but why don't they offer something in the 1KW+ market. I will be using the EVGA 1300G2 to run 3 S3's, since OC'ing looks like a no go for the first few batches no need to hook-up the 2 additional PCI-e connectors.
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So... it was said that S3 will only need 2 PCIe connectors to operate, or 4 PCIe if it is overclocked.

We have now learned that overclocking by only 37GH/s makes it unstable to the point that Bitmain won't even do it or it could burn out. Does that mean at there really is no good reason to upgrade all PSUs to ones with 4 PCIe to replace S1 with S3??  Undecided

-OCS

As per the new situation one PCI-E cable is enough per blade.
Even if its overclocked one PCI-E cable can easily handle it.
Don't forget to check your PCI-E cable rating in you manual or cable itself.
Most corsair PCI-E cables are rated at 600W. Also keep a hand on your cables to check whether it heats up to the point where you can't hold on.


Thanks for your advice everyone, So then  a "Corsair Builder Series CXM 750W Modular 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX/EPS PSU" would be ok running 2 x Antminer S 3's then? Or am I getting confused?
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALK3QRS

If we speak theoretically, you can run two S3s overclocked(if possible) to 478Ghs/366W.
If you are running at stock 441Ghs/340W your current CX750M is very much ok.
If you are buying this one consider a higher Watts rated like 1000W or 1200W.
Always buy power supply in consideration with you term goals. If you can arrange a server power supply that will be more good.
Check ebay, a lot of used ones are at through away price, most of the mare at good efficiency too.
Finally my recommendation is to buy a 1000Watts PSU if you don't have a PSU yet else
wait till you get the miners and check how its running in your current CX750M.


Thanks again all, on reflection I think I will air on the side of caution!
I have 1x Corsair 1200w + 1x Corsair 750w after learning about the recent update on reduced Hash rates, I was thinking about running all 3 Antminers that I ordered off my 1200w and perhaps will buy 2 more to run off the 750w. Or do you think I should still run 2 off the 1200w and 1 off the 750w?

hero member
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Corsair's PSU's have gone to shit the last 3-4 years since they stopped using Seasonic as an OEM.

For me, The best value 750w right now is the XFX 750 pro/core/black , Seasonic internals, £60 each. Smiley
sr. member
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So... it was said that S3 will only need 2 PCIe connectors to operate, or 4 PCIe if it is overclocked.

We have now learned that overclocking by only 37GH/s makes it unstable to the point that Bitmain won't even do it or it could burn out. Does that mean at there really is no good reason to upgrade all PSUs to ones with 4 PCIe to replace S1 with S3??  Undecided

-OCS

As per the new situation one PCI-E cable is enough per blade.
Even if its overclocked one PCI-E cable can easily handle it.
Don't forget to check your PCI-E cable rating in you manual or cable itself.
Most corsair PCI-E cables are rated at 600W. Also keep a hand on your cables to check whether it heats up to the point where you can't hold on.


Thanks for your advice everyone, So then  a "Corsair Builder Series CXM 750W Modular 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX/EPS PSU" would be ok running 2 x Antminer S 3's then? Or am I getting confused?
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALK3QRS


I would think running the PSU @ 91% is a bad idea, this will cause highest fan noise and lowest efficiency @ the wall. Plus CXM 750 is only 84% eff on 120V. I like the AX or RM class of Corsair, but I do pay alot for my "Juice"

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So... it was said that S3 will only need 2 PCIe connectors to operate, or 4 PCIe if it is overclocked.

We have now learned that overclocking by only 37GH/s makes it unstable to the point that Bitmain won't even do it or it could burn out. Does that mean at there really is no good reason to upgrade all PSUs to ones with 4 PCIe to replace S1 with S3??  Undecided

-OCS

As per the new situation one PCI-E cable is enough per blade.
Even if its overclocked one PCI-E cable can easily handle it.
Don't forget to check your PCI-E cable rating in you manual or cable itself.
Most corsair PCI-E cables are rated at 600W. Also keep a hand on your cables to check whether it heats up to the point where you can't hold on.


Thanks for your advice everyone, So then  a "Corsair Builder Series CXM 750W Modular 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX/EPS PSU" would be ok running 2 x Antminer S 3's then? Or am I getting confused?
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALK3QRS

If we speak theoretically, you can run two S3s overclocked(if possible) to 478Ghs/366W.
If you are running at stock 441Ghs/340W your current CX750M is very much ok.
If you are buying this one consider a higher Watts rated like 1000W or 1200W.
Always buy power supply in consideration with you term goals. If you can arrange a server power supply that will be more good.
Check ebay, a lot of used ones are at through away price, most of the mare at good efficiency too.
Finally my recommendation is to buy a 1000Watts PSU if you don't have a PSU yet else
wait till you get the miners and check how its running in your current CX750M.
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Would not be able to OC as there is only 4 PCI-E cables on that spec

though Scan say four in one place and 2 further down the specs ---
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/750w-corsair-cxm-builder-series-hybrid-modular-80-plus-bronze-1x120mm-atx-psu

There are only two cables but each cable has two PCI-e connectors for a total of four.

Yes.

Realised after I went back looking at some other PSU's.

I like Scan - they do good deals and take Bitcoin for their stuff Smiley
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Frankly, all that I just wrote can also be found in the wiki. Uninformed people that base their opinion on their knowledge (or lack thereof) like you are the problem of this society.

Really that is the problem, hmm. Well I read the wiki and all I see is more infrastructure I have to maintain, more up dates, and more waiting for FW so my HW does not waste countless hours to make NADA. The thing that is wrong with society, IMHO, is jerks who hijack convos with annoying calls for information which has CLEARLY been stated as NOT AVAILABLE. Continuing to hammer the thread asking the same stupid question about a P2Pool functionality which is used by < 1% of the network is only meant to cast a negative light on a GREAT manufacturer. If they are SOOO worried why don't they BUY one and write the FW themselves OR WAIT until BitMain updates the status for S2/S3's to "P2Pool READY" IF they bother with such a marginal user base.


AS FOR NOW http://www.eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1CzqqXY4CDAhg9CY9gYzH1kCAHRcY3jrcm runs S1/S2's and SOON S3's very nicely.


 
sr. member
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So... it was said that S3 will only need 2 PCIe connectors to operate, or 4 PCIe if it is overclocked.

We have now learned that overclocking by only 37GH/s makes it unstable to the point that Bitmain won't even do it or it could burn out. Does that mean at there really is no good reason to upgrade all PSUs to ones with 4 PCIe to replace S1 with S3??  Undecided

-OCS

As per the new situation one PCI-E cable is enough per blade.
Even if its overclocked one PCI-E cable can easily handle it.
Don't forget to check your PCI-E cable rating in you manual or cable itself.
Most corsair PCI-E cables are rated at 600W. Also keep a hand on your cables to check whether it heats up to the point where you can't hold on.


Thanks for your advice everyone, So then  a "Corsair Builder Series CXM 750W Modular 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX/EPS PSU" would be ok running 2 x Antminer S 3's then? Or am I getting confused?
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ALK3QRS
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Shipping within 48 hours after full payment.

BITMAIN Order Shipped
AntMiner S2 1TH/s Miner Batch 4

Scheduled Delivery:
    Thursday, 17/07/2014, By End of Day

Last Location:
    Shenzhen, China, Monday, 14/07/2014

I bought another S2 , instead of having to wait for the S3. Only 0.55 BTC expensive. But there's no need to buy PSU and it Hash Rate is not 2x 441 GH/s or more .

We have a saying here in Estonia. "The first calf always gets behind the fence"  Similarly Antminer S3 Patch1, Patch2, Patch 3.

Purchase your Antminer S3 among Batch4. There are  better cheaper and  less waiting time.




It was better to wait for S3 than going for S2.
Do your math and find out in BTC terms.
No issues if its to satisfy your urge.
Understand the fact that miners are hobbyist too.
As of now I will wait for B4 S3 to order further.
hero member
Activity: 784
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So... it was said that S3 will only need 2 PCIe connectors to operate, or 4 PCIe if it is overclocked.

We have now learned that overclocking by only 37GH/s makes it unstable to the point that Bitmain won't even do it or it could burn out. Does that mean at there really is no good reason to upgrade all PSUs to ones with 4 PCIe to replace S1 with S3??  Undecided

-OCS

As per the new situation one PCI-E cable is enough per blade.
Even if its overclocked one PCI-E cable can easily handle it.
Don't forget to check your PCI-E cable rating in you manual or cable itself.
Most corsair PCI-E cables are rated at 600W. Also keep a hand on your cables to check whether it heats up to the point where you can't hold on.
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Shipping within 48 hours after full payment.

BITMAIN Order Shipped
AntMiner S2 1TH/s Miner Batch 4

Scheduled Delivery:
    Thursday, 17/07/2014, By End of Day

Last Location:
    Shenzhen, China, Monday, 14/07/2014

I bought another S2 , instead of having to wait for the S3. Only 0.55 BTC expensive. But there's no need to buy PSU and it Hash Rate is not 2x 441 GH/s or more .

We have a saying here in Estonia. "The first calf always gets behind the fence"  Similarly Antminer S3 Patch1, Patch2, Patch 3.

Purchase your Antminer S3 among Batch4. There are  better cheaper and  less waiting time.


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