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Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 491. (Read 710164 times)

hero member
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Hello everyone,

When we were doing the first mass production, we found that not all of the S3’s DC/DC module could be stable enough to support the 478GH/s speed. After long time testing, all of the S3 run stably at 441GH/s, which however is 7.7% less than the 478GH/s we have announced.

So we decide the final specification of ANTMINER S3 here:

Hash Rate: 441 GH/s or more
Power Consumption: about 340 Watt at the wall when running at 441GH/s
Power Efficiency: 0.77 J/GH on wall
Power Supply: 12V DC
Size:  331 mm x 137 mm x 160 mm
Fans: Two 14038 fans mounted on both front and back ends.
Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 35 °C
Complied with: FCC / CE
Network Connection: Ethernet

Many of the customers may be lucky to find that their S3 can be overclocked to 478GH/s.

We apologize for this incident. We offer two options for customers:

1)   10.0% worth of coupon for the B1~B3 customers. This is the default option. (10% based on what you have paid for the B1~B3)
2)   7.7% worth of refund. We will release a function on our official website for application of this option. If you have bought from our resellers, please contact them and provide your Bitcoin address.

Shipping schedule updated:

Batch 1: The shipping will be finished in 14th and 17th.
Batch 2: It will be shipping out between 18th and 19th.
Batch 3: It will be shipping out between 19th and 22nd.


Dear Mr Bitmain

Thank you for being honest and upfront with us and generous with your compensation.

I have many S1's and a few S2's humming away in the background as I write this, all of
these units have performed very well and I have been extremely happy with them.

Regarding the S3 compensation, we in Australia have a law that items under AUD$1000
comes into the country without paying customs fees and taxes, once we go over AUD$1000
then fees and taxes kick in and we have to pay around $220 extra in fees and taxes.

This may apply to other countries as well, I am not sure

The price of 2 X S3 comes in at just on that AUD $1000 limit, when I ordered batch 1, I worked out
the price at AUD$990, but this fluctuates with currency and BTC price movements.

Are you going to reduce the purchase price for customs declarations because of this compensation?

Because I would prefer the coupons but if the declared value is over $1000 then I would prefer
the 7.7% price decrease to keep the total dollar amount under the $1000 limit, could you please
advise how much you are now going to declare the value of these S3's now


thanks again for your great products
+1  I added a note on my order, to reflect the value at order time.  Note that while the shipping is 'free', that would have some value/cost, so even with BTC to AUD fluctuations, the actual value of 2 S3's would fall under the customs threshold.

Cheers

PS.  My batch #1 order is still 'unshipped'
sr. member
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Anyone appears "shipped" at Bitmain?

2014-06-30 14:11:35 --- Order Date

And NO SHIPPING notice YET!!
hero member
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Anyone appears "shipped" at Bitmain?
jr. member
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Hello everyone,

When we were doing the first mass production, we found that not all of the S3’s DC/DC module could be stable enough to support the 478GH/s speed. After long time testing, all of the S3 run stably at 441GH/s, which however is 7.7% less than the 478GH/s we have announced.

So we decide the final specification of ANTMINER S3 here:

Hash Rate: 441 GH/s or more
Power Consumption: about 340 Watt at the wall when running at 441GH/s
Power Efficiency: 0.77 J/GH on wall
Power Supply: 12V DC
Size:  331 mm x 137 mm x 160 mm
Fans: Two 14038 fans mounted on both front and back ends.
Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 35 °C
Complied with: FCC / CE
Network Connection: Ethernet

Many of the customers may be lucky to find that their S3 can be overclocked to 478GH/s.

We apologize for this incident. We offer two options for customers:

1)   10.0% worth of coupon for the B1~B3 customers. This is the default option. (10% based on what you have paid for the B1~B3)
2)   7.7% worth of refund. We will release a function on our official website for application of this option. If you have bought from our resellers, please contact them and provide your Bitcoin address.

Shipping schedule updated:

Batch 1: The shipping will be finished in 14th and 17th.
Batch 2: It will be shipping out between 18th and 19th.
Batch 3: It will be shipping out between 19th and 22nd.


Dear Mr Bitmain

Thank you for being honest and upfront with us and generous with your compensation.

I have many S1's and a few S2's humming away in the background as I write this, all of
these units have performed very well and I have been extremely happy with them.

Regarding the S3 compensation, we in Australia have a law that items under AUD$1000
comes into the country without paying customs fees and taxes, once we go over AUD$1000
then fees and taxes kick in and we have to pay around $220 extra in fees and taxes.

This may apply to other countries as well, I am not sure

The price of 2 X S3 comes in at just on that AUD $1000 limit, when I ordered batch 1, I worked out
the price at AUD$990, but this fluctuates with currency and BTC price movements.

Are you going to reduce the purchase price for customs declarations because of this compensation?

Because I would prefer the coupons but if the declared value is over $1000 then I would prefer
the 7.7% price decrease to keep the total dollar amount under the $1000 limit, could you please
advise how much you are now going to declare the value of these S3's now


thanks again for your great products
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
Can we not get a new part sent out later and fit it ourselves ?

If your competent with a solder iron and playing with pcb's/components that is !!

If DC-DC limit is the only then we can buy a new DC-DC converter from local market.
Fixing it in place of the current DC-DC converter will not become a problem for most.
I assume most of the miners can DIY that.
For all that, we need some more information or clarification regarding this limitation or instability.

its really not that simple. Swapping an inductor with only two pads might be reasonably simple, but the DC-DC is usually more complex.

The S1 used the 30A TPS53355 which had 10 or 12 pins IIRC, and a very small footprint. It would need smd tools to switch out and only for a pin-compatible replacement (if there are any over 30A). Sounds like the S3 either doesnt heatsink this component very well or that they went with a less expenswive 25A-30A regulator that does not push as high as a texas instruments regulator can.

potential solution: increase the chip voltage slightly to decrease the amperage of the regulator. (ie: if chip runs at 0.7V, 30A [21w of power use] it may be possible to turn the voltage up slightly to 0.8V at 21w (or 26A) to provide the amperage headroom to overclock a little bit extra, but at the expense of efficiency)
sr. member
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I think I saw someone earlier saying that it is p2pool compatible? Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are wrong.

Let me clarify this to save any more confusion about p2pool compatibility:

I have verified with Bitmain via email conversations that the current Bitmain firmware for both the S2's & S3's does not work with p2pool effectively or efficiently. I have also supplied Bitmain with information gathered from myself & many p2pool users as well as Kano (cgminer dev) & forrestv (p2pool dev, supposedly) in an effort to help Bitmain find a fix, and have also offered to help in any beta testing if required. This was done over two weeks ago, and there has been no news since then. Therefore, anyone wishing to buy Bitmain hardware for use with p2pool should wait until Bitmain have provided a fix, if they do.

Peace  Smiley

Isn't there a thread for P2Pool? Just how lonely are you guys, all day long talking crap about P2Pool. When(IF) P2Fool FW does come out I am sure you all will be the 4th or 5th to know. Gezz and to think I was going to try P2Fool, that is until I realized you had to become an annoying prick to use it.
sr. member
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In the morning DHL delivered me three Antminer S3-s, I was in the batch 1 ordered the very first moment.
I ordered for two but in the packet there where three S3s.Maybe a bonus from BitMainTech or an accident?
Anyhow, there were no customs duty for me. I don't know why. DHL simply dropped in my place.
As they advertised, there should have a cover for the miner for air flow control, But in my three S3-s the cover was missing.
Also, one of them was little dirty and the fans came with dirt. The other two were brand new. The dirty one may be the S3 they used first for testing.
After all, the dimension of S3 is smaller than S1 and the body is build with plastic instead of metal. It weighs less than 500gms.
Its working hard on my desk, silently, there is no vibration due to the additional 4 rubber standoffs attached in the base
otherwise, due to low weight the noise of S3 vibrating on my desk may not be bearable.
Its hashing fine at 478/366. Overall a very good deal.

Todays was a pleasant morning, I was happy when I woke up, I got a good deal from BitMain, all credits to them.
Suddenly, I realised that, my pre-orders are still waiting for BitMainTech to ship. The hard think I realised, all the above was a dream.
So, much fun!

Ugh..  A$$-Hat...  "Look at me, Look at Me"
sr. member
Activity: 266
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GO SLEEP DUDE, SLEEEPP!!!
dont died before ur S3 arrived at ur door and kickin like Rhino

I know everyone of you havent sleep well this past week

fortunately, BITMAIN just spawned like santa claus Cheesy  Cheesy
hero member
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Can we not get a new part sent out later and fit it ourselves ?

If your competent with a solder iron and playing with pcb's/components that is !!

If DC-DC limit is the only then we can buy a new DC-DC converter from local market.
Fixing it in place of the current DC-DC converter will not become a problem for most.
I assume most of the miners can DIY that.
For all that, we need some more information or clarification regarding this limitation or instability.
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
Can we not get a new part sent out later and fit it ourselves ?

If your competent with a solder iron and playing with pcb's/components that is !!
That would be a logistical nightmare.

You are getting the amount of lost performance reimbursed, which should make everyone whole.

Later batches (after 3 Wink ) might get different DCDCs and therefore better performance.
member
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Can we not get a new part sent out later and fit it ourselves ?

If your competent with a solder iron and playing with pcb's/components that is !!
legendary
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Sad to see spec change to lower scale when you have already purchased the miners....
off-course we would never pay more for lets say 20% increase of hashing!!!
SO testing and testing and testing then sell sell sell
hero member
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Watch out for the "Neg-Rep-Dogie-Police".....
I think I saw someone earlier saying that it is p2pool compatible? Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are wrong.

Let me clarify this to save any more confusion about p2pool compatibility:

I have verified with Bitmain via email conversations that the current Bitmain firmware for both the S2's & S3's does not work with p2pool effectively or efficiently. I have also supplied Bitmain with information gathered from myself & many p2pool users as well as Kano (cgminer dev) & forrestv (p2pool dev, supposedly) in an effort to help Bitmain find a fix, and have also offered to help in any beta testing if required. This was done over two weeks ago, and there has been no news since then. Therefore, anyone wishing to buy Bitmain hardware for use with p2pool should wait until Bitmain have provided a fix, if they do.

Peace  Smiley
sr. member
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suddenly... this thread full of PEOPLE!!!!
wah wah wah

hope 1st batch cant be overclocked
coz of the 1st build

for the 2nd batch, they knew what's wrong with the components
so 2nd batch is full 478GH/s

and for the 3rd batch, they actually confident that S3 can reach 504GH/s
like the 1st time announced, so they OC it at the max limit...
many burned... 3rd batch failed
now, they're offering 20% coupons...
all who bought at 3rd batch SCREAMING like hell
bitmain got no choice.... but the last option... "HOLIDAY" !!!!!
 Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

I love your optimism. I wish to happen that.
Chances are rare to have the 2nd batch and 3rd batch to be with a new DC-DC Controller. They already said the refund is for B1, B2 and B3.
From the 4th batch they have can start afresh. They may provide an upgrade option to S3 B1, 2 and 3 customers.
Where they said they are confident in B3 to give 504Ghs?
The move from 504 to 478 is due to ASIC limit and that's not reversible in my opinion.
But, as per them, 478 to 441 is due to DC-DC voltage converter. That can be corrected if they didn't manufacture/order all the PCBs and components.
just my imagination HAHAHAHA

but lets hoping that 2nd batch full of 478GH/s (mine at 2nd BATCH!!!)  Cheesy
but its a lil' dissapointing... the price at batch 2 and 3 just... OUCH!
it could help me pay the Tax

hero member
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Check their statement, they says they will arrange a method in their website itself for refund or coupon.
There may be a form for us to opt our choice.
It may be available after 17th soon after Batch 1 S3 shipping.
My guess would be that every account receives the coupons and if you ask them for a refund, the coupon will get deleted: simple as that.

I would also estimate that coupons should be added before the sale of the next round, which will likely be after they have shipped a significant amount of miners.
hero member
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1)   10.0% worth of coupon for the B1~B3 customers. This is the default option. (10% based on what you have paid for the B1~B3)

That option is great, will you put the coupons on our bitmain accounts automatically, or do we have to ask ?

Check their statement, they says they will arrange a method in their website itself for refund or coupon.
There may be a form for us to opt our choice.
It may be available after 17th soon after Batch 1 S3 shipping.
full member
Activity: 132
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1)   10.0% worth of coupon for the B1~B3 customers. This is the default option. (10% based on what you have paid for the B1~B3)

That option is great, will you put the coupons on our bitmain accounts automatically, or do we have to ask ?
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 504
suddenly... this thread full of PEOPLE!!!!
wah wah wah

hope 1st batch cant be overclocked
coz of the 1st build

for the 2nd batch, they knew what's wrong with the components
so 2nd batch is full 478GH/s

and for the 3rd batch, they actually confident that S3 can reach 504GH/s
like the 1st time announced, so they OC it at the max limit...
many burned... 3rd batch failed
now, they're offering 20% coupons...
all who bought at 3rd batch SCREAMING like hell
bitmain got no choice.... but the last option... "HOLIDAY" !!!!!
 Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

I love your optimism. I wish to happen that.
Chances are rare to have the 2nd batch and 3rd batch to be with a new DC-DC Controller. They already said the refund is for B1, B2 and B3.
From the 4th batch they have can start afresh. They may provide an upgrade option to S3 B1, 2 and 3 customers.
Where they said they are confident in B3 to give 504Ghs?
The move from 504 to 478 is due to ASIC limit and that's not reversible in my opinion.
But, as per them, 478 to 441 is due to DC-DC voltage converter. That can be corrected if they didn't manufacture/order all the PCBs and components.
sr. member
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I think I saw someone earlier saying that it is p2pool compatible? Correct me if I'm wrong.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Welcome to dogietalk.bs
I lulzd at all the imaginative guides on how to OC an S3 that doesn't exist yet - only to find it can't be OC'd  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Anyways, back to the p2pool thing - Bitmain - what's the story?
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