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November 25, 2014, 06:26:50 PM

2K (2048) seems to be the recommended difficulty for a 2TH/s miner.

Just to demystify "diff" for those that may not know:  you can think of it as simply how often the hardware goes back to the pool asking for work.  For a beast like the S4, going back say 1000 times a second will mean its starved for work (a low diff) and why it doesn't report doing much processing.  Apparently 2048 (and diff is always a power of 2) suffices to allow the S4 to actually work most of the time.  A higher diff, like 16284 (just 3 doublings from 2048) simply mean the pool is handing work over 1/8th as often (and 8 times as much work) as it did at 2048.

Most dynamic diff pools play with the assigned worker diff so that it "checks in" about once every 15 seconds.

The only downside to a high diff is the potential for wasted work.   A GOOD pool will notify all workers when a block is found and immediately assign new work, a bad pool won't.  Even with the best of intentions, your hardware may submit shares after the pool knows a block was found (say 0.1 second after that happened), in which case you get the "stale shares" message.

Cassey
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November 25, 2014, 06:22:39 PM
It's all going to be based on Luck and how much hashing is done by the pool. To compare the 2 that I have used Antpool and BTC Guild.

From Nov 18th-24th Antpool has found 55 blocks using approx 20 PH/s and BTC Guild has found 62 blocks using approx 16 PH/s. It all based on luck but the more PH/s is running the more likely you are to find a block a little faster, but also keep in mind the more PH/s the pool is running, the lesser your share payout will be. I just got my S4 up and running Saturday and i spent 24 hours on Antpool and earned 0.0154 bitcoin and 48 hours on BTC Guild has earned me 0.032 with some pending shifts yet to payout. My 24-hour earning on BTC Guild is showing 0.02 right now, but that will probably go down because today's luck has not been that good and we've only got 2 blocks today.

Do not forget Antpool fee is 0% and BTC Guild has 3% fee.
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November 25, 2014, 04:15:33 PM
ok found another way for now.. that I remembered with my S2. For multipools that use a wallet address as your worker I added a +1.1 after my wallet id. So for an S4 your worker name might look like MiG8iwMSsaGVN7pkfBJmoKSxvZ2YB5sdAw+2.3

So Im going to test it on the MMXIV multipool and see if it holds. This forces a manual difficulty. Frankly I hate mining bitcoin because its feast or famine. I bought the S4 specifically to mine on multipools that do NOT payout in BTC thats why getting my S4 working on the altcoin multipools is sooo important to me.

Edit: That +2.3 might be too high. In my S4 console its showing a "diff 16.4k" . That seem high? What is a good diff setting?

Vegas
2K (2048) seems to be the recommended difficulty for a 2TH/s miner.
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November 25, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
ok found another way for now.. that I remembered with my S2. For multipools that use a wallet address as your worker I added a +1.1 after my wallet id. So for an S4 your worker name might look like MiG8iwMSsaGVN7pkfBJmoKSxvZ2YB5sdAw+2.3

So Im going to test it on the MMXIV multipool and see if it holds. This forces a manual difficulty. Frankly I hate mining bitcoin because its feast or famine. I bought the S4 specifically to mine on multipools that do NOT payout in BTC thats why getting my S4 working on the altcoin multipools is sooo important to me.

Edit: That +2.3 might be too high. In my S4 console its showing a "diff 16.4k" . That seem high? What is a good diff setting?

Vegas
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November 25, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Got my answer on antpool. Looks like they ran out of luck. Just read on their forum:

Antpool Problems? Earnings suddenly so low, only 1/3 then usual
AntPool • jagottsicher • Posted 2014-11-18 02:44:53 •Last reply by jagottsicher at 2014-11-21 01:14:42 •Read 114  times
2014-11-18 00:03:51   

-0.012BTC
2014-11-17 00:03:55   

-0.039BTC
2014-11-16 00:03:54   

-0.039BTC
2014-11-15 00:03:42   

-0.045BTC
2014-11-14 00:03:44   

-0.042BTC
2014-11-13 00:00:00   

-0.048BTC
2014-11-12 00:00:00

It's all going to be based on Luck and how much hashing is done by the pool. To compare the 2 that I have used Antpool and BTC Guild.

From Nov 18th-24th Antpool has found 55 blocks using approx 20 PH/s and BTC Guild has found 62 blocks using approx 16 PH/s. It all based on luck but the more PH/s is running the more likely you are to find a block a little faster, but also keep in mind the more PH/s the pool is running, the lesser your share payout will be. I just got my S4 up and running Saturday and i spent 24 hours on Antpool and earned 0.0154 bitcoin and 48 hours on BTC Guild has earned me 0.032 with some pending shifts yet to payout. My 24-hour earning on BTC Guild is showing 0.02 right now, but that will probably go down because today's luck has not been that good and we've only got 2 blocks today.
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November 25, 2014, 03:24:09 PM
Found the solution to the S4 problem with multipools. Nicehash specifically addresses this issue with a modified Cgminer 4.71 dated Nov 22nd 2014. I looked at the instructions and was hoping it was as simple as upgrading the firmware, but its not. Its WAYY over my head. Scroll down near the bottom of the page to where it talks about the different model Antminers including the S4 See: https://www.nicehash.com/index.jsp?p=software#cgminer . Im hoping someone can read this and take their image, and make it so noobs like me can just use the upgrade firmware option in our miners.

Vegas

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November 25, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
Got my answer on antpool. Looks like they ran out of luck. Just read on their forum:

Antpool Problems? Earnings suddenly so low, only 1/3 then usual
AntPool • jagottsicher • Posted 2014-11-18 02:44:53 •Last reply by jagottsicher at 2014-11-21 01:14:42 •Read 114  times
2014-11-18 00:03:51   

-0.012BTC
2014-11-17 00:03:55   

-0.039BTC
2014-11-16 00:03:54   

-0.039BTC
2014-11-15 00:03:42   

-0.045BTC
2014-11-14 00:03:44   

-0.042BTC
2014-11-13 00:00:00   

-0.048BTC
2014-11-12 00:00:00
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November 25, 2014, 02:44:25 PM
Something wierd going on with my s4. Im mining on nicehash, and every few hours I log into the console, it says speed: 0ghz, then I go to the led display and its got some random slow speed like 650ghs. I shut it down and reboot and it instantly returns to 2Ths...for an hour or two, then I have to keep shutting it down, not even a software reboot through console will fix it...any ideas? I also have the latest firmware: Thu Oct 16. Cgminer 4.6.1 .

Thanks in advance

Vegas

Its not your miners, its NiceHash - they are switching coins on you.  That causes your Diff to go very low (at least for an S4), the S4 resyncs than cranks up again.  The 650 is the average while your diff crawls up.

At least I've been seeing something very similar when I use the normal ports over on multicoinpool.org...

Try switching to antpool, just as a test, and see if things stabilize.

Cassey

So I mined on Antpool last night and stayed at 2ths all night. So, this miner does not do well with multipools. Funny thing is I own an S1 and it does fine with multipools. Is there any known fix for the S4 and multipools. The reason I ask is because I have mined 19 hours with 2 Ths on antpool and it says btc earned 0.015. So by my math I will be earning .02 BTC +/- a day for 2THs?? That about right? Somethings not right because on the MMXIV multipool I was earning 1.2 coins a day and they are worth .03 BTC and thats with me reseting my miner 10 times a day. I know the payouts flutcuate because its all based on luck but this is a VERY wide spread. Does ANYONE have any ideas how to stabalize the S4 on multipools?

Vegas

Find a multipool that allows you to set a min diff of at least 2048 will help.  multicoinpool.org is working on that but it isn't up yet.
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November 25, 2014, 02:38:21 PM
Something wierd going on with my s4. Im mining on nicehash, and every few hours I log into the console, it says speed: 0ghz, then I go to the led display and its got some random slow speed like 650ghs. I shut it down and reboot and it instantly returns to 2Ths...for an hour or two, then I have to keep shutting it down, not even a software reboot through console will fix it...any ideas? I also have the latest firmware: Thu Oct 16. Cgminer 4.6.1 .

Thanks in advance

Vegas

Its not your miners, its NiceHash - they are switching coins on you.  That causes your Diff to go very low (at least for an S4), the S4 resyncs than cranks up again.  The 650 is the average while your diff crawls up.

At least I've been seeing something very similar when I use the normal ports over on multicoinpool.org...

Try switching to antpool, just as a test, and see if things stabilize.

Cassey

So I mined on Antpool last night and stayed at 2ths all night. So, this miner does not do well with multipools. Funny thing is I own an S1 and it does fine with multipools. Is there any known fix for the S4 and multipools. The reason I ask is because I have mined 19 hours with 2 Ths on antpool and it says btc earned 0.015. So by my math I will be earning .02 BTC +/- a day for 2THs?? That about right? Somethings not right because on the MMXIV multipool I was earning 1.2 coins a day and they are worth .03 BTC and thats with me reseting my miner 10 times a day. I know the payouts flutcuate because its all based on luck but this is a VERY wide spread. Does ANYONE have any ideas how to stabalize the S4 on multipools?

Vegas
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Are we there yet?
November 25, 2014, 03:22:29 AM


For Dogie, regarding my issue,

I have power cycled, rebooted, checked connections, reset to defaults, reloaded firmware,, and still cant seem to get these chips to pop up,,



out of the 11 that we have this is the only issue.

we have 9 more on the way, should get them today!


Also I noticed people talking about pools,, we use miningrigrentals to rent our gear but when it isnt rented,, My favorite pool to use is Bitcoin Affiliate Network,

They have ports specifically for difficulty *2048* so if you choose the proper port for your miners you dont have to worry about the share Diff as it is locked in.

They also pay per share so your not waiting on the pool to find a block to get paid,, they pay every 2 hrs per share,, and they are paying 10% OVER as a bonus.

Try changing your power cord and see if that helps. My other 2 S4 arrived yesterday and one unit was behaving exactly like yours. I opened it up, check, double check connections, the chips just won't come on. And sometimes they do and they die off. I don't know why, but somehow I have a weird feeling it's power related, so I change the power cord to a larger guage cable.. boot it and up.. tadaa.. all the chips came back. But that unit is still acting weird though. Actually, infact, the 2 units I receive yesterday are acting weird, just like when my 1st S4 came. But now that 1st one is running very very well.  Maybe the other 2 just needs a little run in like the first. But for sure, the other 2 units are getting more hw errors than the first.
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November 25, 2014, 01:56:48 AM
I also need to RMA an S4 with a dead hash board.

What's the quickest, most painless way to RMA? Bitmain China, Bitmain USA? I've spent the weekend troubleshooting it, and it's 100% fucked. I don't feel like screwing around sending emails back and forth with bitmain while they ask me to go through troubleshooting steps which I've already done multiple times.

I'm also getting a little pissed that they are ignoring me when it comes to the compensation they owe me, but have already paid others. Emailing Yoshi has been useless, he's also ignoring me.

RMA to US, all returns go there. Contact [email protected]
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November 25, 2014, 01:31:54 AM
http://childspalms.org.ua/antminer.jpg

To achieve this, you need an additional power supply.
the second power supply wiring from the first to power the the top 2 cards.
Total consumption by wattmeter 2120-2200 watts.
a second power supply must be at least 1000 watts

Sorry for my english
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November 25, 2014, 01:23:51 AM
For Dogie, regarding my issue,

I have power cycled, rebooted, checked connections, reset to defaults, reloaded firmware,, and still cant seem to get these chips to pop up,,

out of the 11 that we have this is the only issue. we have 9 more on the way, should get them today!

RMA time.

I also need to RMA an S4 with a dead hash board.

What's the quickest, most painless way to RMA? Bitmain China, Bitmain USA? I've spent the weekend troubleshooting it, and it's 100% fucked. I don't feel like screwing around sending emails back and forth with bitmain while they ask me to go through troubleshooting steps which I've already done multiple times.

I'm also getting a little pissed that they are ignoring me when it comes to the compensation they owe me, but have already paid others. Emailing Yoshi has been useless, he's also ignoring me.
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dogiecoin.com
November 25, 2014, 12:56:52 AM
For Dogie, regarding my issue,

I have power cycled, rebooted, checked connections, reset to defaults, reloaded firmware,, and still cant seem to get these chips to pop up,,



out of the 11 that we have this is the only issue. we have 9 more on the way, should get them today!

RMA time.
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November 25, 2014, 12:56:36 AM
My miner perfect work at a frequency of 268.75 - 275, and outputs the 2500-2700 ghesh
Seriously?

EDIT: I noticed you are using 2 PSU's instead of the PSU that comes with the S4, in that case, that makes more sense, as they can deliver a hell of a lot more power than a 1200W PSU. For those using the PSU that comes with the S4, do not expect such results, but then again if you have some spare PSU's this seems like a really really good idea, in fact I just might have to give it a shot at some point.

*1400W
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November 24, 2014, 08:32:18 PM
ya know... this sounds a lot like how Bitmine.ch screwed with AMT on the first A1 attempts... Never told them how to save to the Dpot NVM so it always defaulted to mid-point (way too high).

Think they just never write to that chains Dpot or hybrid regulator address to save start value? temps across the chains range from #1 @ 41c, 2 @ 42c, #3 @ 45c and chain 4 @ 44c

Hmm. S4 #1 is set to 200mHz with Core set to 725. I'll look at work tomorrow to see what the other S4 is set to. Should be as-shipped.

As to conflicts between SPI and i2c coms - they are supposed to co-exist... ja when things get really fast is best to interrupt the hash coms to set/query the regulators but... should only need to do that on power-up before the ASICS start hashing or if otherwise queried. still sounds like someone dropped the ball on setting a value to startup NVM memory vs the working segments. Just my 2-cents...

EDIT: Just checked the other s4 and it is using same settings of 200mHz clock and 0725 for core voltage.
That 290w  power difference between the 2 units really bothers me... Huh
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November 24, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
For various reasons I've added a rather nice always online UPS http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/paragon-series/ol2200rtxl2u.html?selectedTabId=specifications&imageI=#tab-box to my 2nd s4 and found something rather interesting:

My 1st s4 on it's own same UPS reports a very significantly higher power draw. Like 290Watts more.

Both s4 are Batch-2, the first one possibly was made a week earlier earlier than #2 but both arrived within 1 day of each other (direct vs hosted shipping goof).

The UPS's report
  #1 1,480 to 1,490w load
  #2 1,100 to 1,200w load.
Both consistently reporting as 1.950-2.25THs by my pool.

Anywho, in some earlier threads it was mentioned that on some Batch-2, one of the ASIC chains can't/doesn't change Vcore and pretty much runs near max safe voltage. Wonder if that is the case here? Certainly would explain the 290w higher load...

 I take it that during power-up when the Vcore regulators are either set from a pre-stored value in a Dpot or set by the I2C link one chain is not getting the message...  Any way to fix that by Firmware?

if it happens all S4's same asic freq. like 200Mhz .. this is definitely have a problem. i am first founder this and i wrote this problem before and i am working on it. fpga cotroller board sending voltage and hash data on same TX pin then 12F1822 collect voltage data then send i2c commands to Buck controller on the BOOT. (bitmain designed seperatly but never used pclk-pio-pen pins. Direct FPGA to BuckController)
this is J7 situation you are facing.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9608656
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November 24, 2014, 06:25:11 PM
For various reasons I've added a rather nice always online UPS http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/paragon-series/ol2200rtxl2u.html?selectedTabId=specifications&imageI=#tab-box to my 2nd s4 and found something rather interesting:

My 1st s4 on it's own same UPS reports a very significantly higher power draw. Like 290Watts more.

Both s4 are Batch-2, the first one possibly was made a week earlier earlier than #2 but both arrived within 1 day of each other (direct vs hosted shipping goof).

The UPS's report
  #1 1,480 to 1,490w load
  #2 1,100 to 1,200w load.
Both consistently reporting as 1.950-2.25THs by my pool.

Anywho, in some earlier threads it was mentioned that on some Batch-2, one of the ASIC chains can't/doesn't change Vcore and pretty much runs near max safe voltage. Wonder if that is the case here? Certainly would explain the 290w higher load...

 I take it that during power-up when the Vcore regulators are either set from a pre-stored value in a Dpot or set by the I2C link one chain is not getting the message...  Any way to fix that by Firmware?
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November 24, 2014, 05:33:05 PM
My miner perfect work at a frequency of 268.75 - 275, and outputs the 2500-2700 ghesh
Seriously?

I tried it and the S4 kept rebooting.  I was lucky to be able to switch back frequency during the 3 second window, after the web server is up and before the reboot.  I would not recommend it, definitely.

Yeah, definitely not going to happen with the stock PSU, but then again, the stock does deliver the advertised speeds, so i have no reason to complain. If anyone wants to try to achieve tfoto's hashrate, try using some PSU's that will deliver plenty of wattage  and see if you can get the same results, and if you do, I would appreciate it if you would let us know Smiley.
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November 24, 2014, 05:29:54 PM
My miner perfect work at a frequency of 268.75 - 275, and outputs the 2500-2700 ghesh
Seriously?

I tried it and the S4 kept rebooting.  I was lucky to be able to switch back frequency during the 3 second window, after the web server is up and before the reboot.  I would not recommend it, definitely.
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