Topic: ANTMINER S5+ is available to order, 7.722TH/S 0.445J/GH - page 16. (Read 40128 times)

r they worth investment still?

Tupsu, as said your self. No gain by the S5+ vs the S5.
So in the end you are going to spend more money than those 33BTC to get them up running and as I see it you would be better of keeping the S5`s and wait for the S7 being released some time this fall.
I think the S5+ is a way of "Keep the Buzz" go around the Bitmain brand when some new miners are enterring the marked soon.
Last but not least, if you fry a controller, like they do once a while, you have a complete dead S5+ while you only miss 1.1-1.3TH on a S5
No matter how you turn it around the ROI point for the S5+ is much longer than a S5

let's go the other way . For my 3 x S5+ I have 6 x EVGA G2 1300W+some extra 2 x PCI-E EVGA cables and
  3X Bitmaintech  APW3-12-1600-B2 PSU .  
Plenty of PCI-E plugs for powering 3 x S5+


I do not think that you're going to make longer cables.  So that  30W  saving never has happened.

But 6 x overclocked S5  is 7500 GH/s x 0.51=3851W , not 3720W.


Why under clock ? At normal speed 7722 GH/s x 0.445W/GH  =3436W

3851 - 3436 =415 W savings + extra 222GH/s


My expenses with 3 x Bitmaintech PSU were   600 USD
EVGA  PSU-s is itself already recouped , almost with video cards mining time.


I do not think that you're going to make longer cables. However, if you do,  you need time for it . time =money


I have left  three of S5 controllers.
I am sure that they will also work in S5 + Miner if the power given to them properly.

Now, the most important thing.  I've already sold  20 x Antminer S5 for  33BTC  
20 x 1155=23100GH/s         3X7722=23166Gh/s
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-give-awayfree-30-x-100-usd-bitmain-coupon-858962

Therefore, I will use the same money (33BTC)  again for bying 3 x S5+
Saving extra 1,4kW/h  per hour,
per month 1000 kW/h

save me with  six months  the price of three APW3-12-1600-B2  power supply

And no, I  did not get a discount for 3 x S5 and I do not care.
Obviously, I can not even get coupons , because the last S5  I bought a long time ago.

Thanks for the video. That thing is very loud. Probably good for a datacentre or in the basement. Probably not a good home miner.

That website never has any decent deals, I highly doubt they get much business. It should cost around $3300 with the exchange rate and shipping

Bitcoinware (Canada) is going way overboard with their pricing. $4,599.95 CAD

Just wow.

http://bitcoinware.net/collections/frontpage/products/antminer-s5-plus?utm_source=bitcoinware.net+newsletter&utm_campaign=abc5548e4c-new+products&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d5fe4ea7fe-abc5548e4c-231875677&mc_cid=abc5548e4c&mc_eid=e4aaf8d181

Yes, that is what I meant, and do not take my posts or replies as harsh in any way, but I do hope to present things as they were presented to me by BITMAIN representatives via e-mails.

The phone support people I have dealt with have all been over the phone. Those guys answer the phone from the main number and transfer to customer service. I do not know if they are all living in Colorado, but all spoke english very well, and were straight up with me about the way things are. - Unfortunately they do not make final decisions. At least decisions like should we swap this unit for another, but they can certainly help you out, and have me. I went through batches 1 and 2 of the S4 power supplies before I gave up, but it wasn't from those particular support guys lack of trying. Through many discussions with several of them I learned what happened, what was going down, what they could do about it, and what they couldn't. I have mixed emotions about them offering to send me a server PSU (DSP2000) with a break out board, but today I look back and think at least they offered when they knew they couldn't fix theirs.

Email is where you talk to people who have the authority to make decisions. I spent days reading existing threads for the products I was interested in either before or after I purchased them. I wish I'd read every page before, but some of the units were used deals I grabbed quickly from e-bay. My worst experience was a new purchase through Amazon. Avoid those in my opinion although you can find a deal on ebay sometimes but you have to watch and be patient. The prices are generally much higher than they are here in the marketplace.

I also avoid resellers for new equipment because they simply have to mark it up. I will again throw an exception out there. Lee from Lees group seems solid, but Phil and others can give you the best information on his setup. He is more local to the factory, gets great deals, and I have seen him meet and beat BITMAINS store price, but he requires you host with him for X amount of time which I cannot do. When it comes to the point I cannot afford to mine I will have to pickup another addiction of putting my hands on something. I have no doubt others can vouch for other resellers who they have seen with great deals, but the only ones who matter are the ones you can get that deal from today, and (repeating myself again) who BITMAIN will put in an e-mail they will warranty for that person / company.

If you are asking everything specifically looking at the S5+ I have to say, my expectations of the S4 were too high relative to what I received. The product, was not what I expected for the money I spent, so the S5+ I am keeping my expectations in check. Even though it was 9+BTC /  2,500.00 USD I know it very well could arrive DOA, maybe one or more boards do not function, maybe I have to fight it a bit to get it on the net, maybe the CGminer is old, maybe the corner of the shipping box is ripped off, maybe there are fork truck holes through the box, bent heat sinks, loose cables, dirt and rust, and on, and on. I am not saying these things would all be the fault of BITMAIN, I am saying these are more realistic expectations from what I have seen reported and through my own experiences. I do expect it to be packed well, even though there is a thread right now for one of the used S5 batch 7 units where the guy said his wasn't. It has been rare I hear of them using poor materials or methods in packaging. All of my S4s were packed perfectly in anti-static and a great soft foam cage to handle bounces. I expect good fans. They will be loud as hell and rock the house, but again the S4 had some issues with fans and needed to have the stickers pulled back and grease added. BITMAIN took care of people on the fans. I think most of us who lost a fan under warranty bought our own replacements and sent the originals back, but I know of cases where BITMAIN did send a fan out without having the original back as well.   
Other than political stuff with warranty and the time it takes to ship things they have improved, and there are always opposing views to anything you say here, but consider this. I was one of the biggest opponents to BITMAIN gear when the S5 was released and you couldn't have melted one and poured it in my house without getting shot, but a few months ago I picked up a couple of used ones, and after getting over the high temps they report I have been happy. The S3+ is the best built BITMAIN miner I have owned. (I didn't get in on the S1) If the S5+ stays on pace with the S5 with the exception of the obvious things which will need attention right away - cooling! Then I know what I bought, and I bought Batch 1. Buying BATCH 1 of anything from BITMAIN is a huge risk but also can be a big advantage depending on many variables - the early adopter ideal -

Keep to the warranty statements to the letter.
IF you aren't sure, ask BITMAIN and get in writing from them. I do not say this to say people are dishonest, I say this because misunderstandings happen, and they happen even more when the boss is in china, or the questions and answers are being translated from english to chinese, just get it in writing and e-mails are fine.
Keep your documentation from your order being placed and confirmed like you keep your bitcoins. Backed up, printed copies stored in several locations haha. Seriously though, that is your only warranty ticket and what you will be asked to send them for any warranty claim. Keep a digitized / scanned / emailed copy handy,and a printed copy somewhere else.
Just because a guy here on the forum pulls his apart on day one and re-pastes the heat sinks doesn't mean you need to do so. They are dead serious about not doing anything without their permission and people can tell many things. They put marks, stickers, etc all over the place sometimes. I do check the cable connections. I'm not dismantling the thing to do so without their permission which I will ask and I expect them to say yes. It is not unheard of at all for things to work loose between here and there, and I haven't been told no but CYA - cover yo ass -

Again, I am not saying all of this and repeating certain things to say BITMAIN is a bad company. If I thought that I wouldn't have ordered one. I am saying these things either because they are first-hand experiences, or there are clearly defined, informative posts from reputable forum members reporting the issue more than once. By reputable I don't mean they have HERO or LEGENDARY by their name those accounts are bought and sold daily. I mean people I have read things from which proved to be true time after time and as much as any online persona can have trust, I trust what they say. Some of those people only have 100 posts, and most have much more, but it isn't the quantity in my opinion. Some of them are huge assholes at times as well heh.

I will have my own pictures up when possible. Maybe customs decides they want to mine for a few weeks, not much I can do if that happens, but I know how to ship products to many countries and so does BITMAIN. My information will be facts. When I give an opinion I will state such. I tip my hat to BITMAIN on the S5+ not because it is a piece of breakthrough technology and something which will give me some huge advantage, but simply because they are the only company putting something out which we have a chance to ROI with. This whole game is a gamble and I have no doubts I am rolling the dice by having placed the order, but at least it was under 2,500 and they do have a good record for shipping on time. For the rest I cross my fingers and stay positive and relaxed until there is a real reason not to be.

As far as the S5+ making more sense than buying 6.7 or however many S5s dude was asking about.
There are several reasons for my use but I have to run and I am sure people are sick of my longass posts but a couple are the efficiency and the ability to control the heat because of the density. I didn't use a heater in my house after Christmas last year and I do not plan on doing so at all this year. I will be able to run ductwork to route the heat the way I want. Pushing or stacking the S5s doesn't work out the same for the way I have in mind without much more work. I have a bunch of S3s I will be selling soon and this seems to perfectly fit the bill. I do not like the central point of failure, and if this first unit comes in the way I hope (not expect) then I plan to order at least two more right away again, because it is a gamble. I don't go to casinos, I play with bitcoin and support the economy by buying, mining, and spending coin.

We shall see how the unit does, but I will keep a positive attitude and hope for the best. If the S7 drops in two weeks great, we have more offerings, but I am again gambling a bit because I do not think it will.

For everyone, please post up your experiences, n00bs or not, put up pictures and what you think about things. Document the good and bad. That is the only way we can help each other. I don't want 15 legendary reviews which basically say the same thing. I want to hear from Jane and Tommy how they made out with their new gear on top of the Legendary guys who have been around since CPU days. Keep it all coming!

Thanks for the clear answer, that just tells me that I should stay away from the S5+ if I cant reach ROI in 180 days.

Just bourght 50 used S5 instead to up the farm, so it has to be really big farms if they see any ideas in buying this unit. Home miners seems to forget the 600$ + they have to add to the cost just to get this beast running.
Heads up for your clearing I thourght I was missing something...

We tested running with one 2880 and 3x750 server PSU , it is 92DB , just for your reference .

okay  lets do it this way.  I have 3 psu's on hand to run it.    this is 2473 shipped to my home.

6 s-5's are 2267 shipped to my home

6 s-5's with a little over clock do 1250 each = 7500gh  at .5  =  3750 watts    6 controllers  so you can disable 3 of them and run   30 watts less so you have 3720 watts


1 s-5+ with a little under clock will do 7500gh at .445 = 3337.5 watts   so   you get equal hash  and 400 watts difference in power.

that is about 30 dollars a month in power  in favor of the s-5++  

 price is the same for psu's

price is 196 more for s-5++   and at 1 dollar a day power savings the price is  =  after 196 days.

so until the 196th day the s-5's ae cheaper.  and even at day 196  since you double up on the s-5 controllers you have 3 spare controllers.


Or let the s-5's each use 1 controller power cost is 32 a month. so in 180 days you are equal cost.

The risk of the s-5+  is the controller dies you are dead in the water.
The 6 s-5's allow up to 3 controller deaths and you can just double up the gear.

Most guys buying an s-5+  are really big and getting a bulk deal.

5x750watt server PSU , I don't think it is enough , total 750*5= 3750 *85% (power supply efficiency)= around 3187.5

if you use server PSU , should be more than 3500 , depends on the powersupply efficiency .

And still no one who can tell how this unit should be a better deal? I think its more expensive to own and run than regular S5?

i can't wait for someone to make a good review on this rig. how loud this machine is? they fail to speak about that but i'm not willing to bring a helicopter in my home as a miner.

Looks like you're powering that with 5 x 750 watt PSUs? Hard to tell which PSUs are powering what, but I'm thinking of a similar set up.

Are you seeing around 3500 watts at the wall, as advertised?

With those cables coming out the top plus the power supplies, this will take a lot of space out of a traditional rack.

I guess with the extra wattage the PSUs will run with slightly less heat.

What do you mean by "and don't care if 7.7TH are down".. Do you mean down (failure) due to not following the warranty instructions?

@cniht & @sloopy,
I appreciate your responses.

yes , Here are some Videos presented by ITOP Corp

There isn't a manual or firmware online yet. Normally the manual on a + model is very similar to the base one.
They will get one up there though in the same place the others are:
https://www.bitmaintech.com/support.htm

It isn't that you must use 3 PSUs if you can accomplish the same things those 3 would do in a way that doesn't violate the warranty.
They require each hash board to be powered by the same PSU.
You can use a separate PSU for a separate or more hash boards.
They require the controller board to be powered by a separate PSU so it comes on after the hash boards are already powered on.

A bit of advice I learned. Don't void the warranty. It simply isn't worth it.
Always buy direct from BITMAIN if it is a BITMAIN product. Unless you get something in writing from BITMAIN stating otherwise when it comes to warranty, there are not any official resellers. If you do not buy direct, you aren't covered. This includes zoomhash. Again though, I have seen special arrangements made, you'd better make sure you get it in writing from BITMAIN not the reseller. I've been both screwed and saved by BITMAIN on this. Once I bought from Zoomhash and it was a fiasco, and once I asked BITMAIN first and they told me the vendor (not zoomhash) was not telling me the truth so that saved me a chunk of change.

Unless you are a rich guy who can afford to drop thousands over and over and don't care if 7.7TH are down, don't and do brother.
 

I ordered shipped to US 

I think they mention this in the first post at least.  I'm assuming by their specs they are using their own little PSU device since they also recommend it.  It gives efficiency and temp it was taken at.

Specifications:

1. Hash Rate: 7722 GH/s ±5%

2. Power Consumption: 3436W (at the wall, with AC/DC 93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)

3. Power Efficiency: 0.445W/GH (at the wall, with AC/DC 93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)

Their PSU: https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201505040743496917U7kGsCm0694
(unfortunately rated for a 205V and at for the foreseeable future I am someplace that cannot take neither the noise nor the electrician dropping in the appropriate plug, so it's out for me but I can dream baby.)

Just a PS to everyone.  

I could be just extremely high on narcotics (I am on some good stuff after surgery) but I think they are selling the S5+'s again.  As of the time of this post, 7:15 AM EDT.  Maybe they are just doing it a few a day at a time to test demand.  Dogie I think had the ability of little birdies to whisper in his ear I think.  Maybe he can find out what the marketing scheme is for distribution on these babies.

Wish I had a Server PSU that did 1600W in a normal  US 110-120V outlet.  Anyone know of one which is also rated in plat or titanium 80+ let me know connections included of course and miner ready.

https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=0002015081407532655504JMKzsM067B