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Topic: ANTMINER S5+ is available to order, 7.722TH/S 0.445J/GH - page 11. (Read 40193 times)

legendary
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If you go with recommended PSU's it is required.  The PSU's they recommend don't work with 120.   

But yes you could keep throwing 120 lines to lower power PSU's.  But would not make a lot of sense.   Just look at amount of PCI-e cables it takes.  But if you ROI'ed on a lot of ATX supplies and had multiple line's of 120 close together yes you could run it.

They "recommend" their own PSU and it has nothing to do with what is optimal, only what is profitable Wink

120V PSU's are no less effective at powering this beast, so long as each PSU has enough rating to fully power each board fully (only 1 PSU per board), but 12V is 12V.  240V PSU's gain a couple percentage points in efficiency, and when you get into the larger server PSU's they require 240V, but the hardware could care less what's feeding it.

The amount of PCIe cables it takes to run would not change whether you had 9 individual PSU's or 1 4000W PSU, not sure what relevance that has to PSU selection? The best PSU for the job is either the one you've already paid for, or the one that will do the job for the least amount of money that meets your expectations (efficiency, etc) without dying.
hero member
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Glow Stick Dance!

 probably just trying to get his money back after realizing he didnt have 220v


 There is NO BLOODY REQUIREMENT FOR 220 to run a S5+. Never has been. I don't understand why this rubbish BS claim keeps popping up.

 Yes, it might be a bit more efficient, as you get less I2R losses in the input circuitry to the PS and a hair less in the wiring. It's NOT a requirement.


If you go with recommended PSU's it is required.  The PSU's they recommend don't work with 120.  

But yes you could keep throwing 120 lines to lower power PSU's.  But would not make a lot of sense.   Just look at amount of PCI-e cables it takes.  But if you ROI'ed on a lot of ATX supplies and had multiple line's of 120 close together yes you could run it.

It makes perfect sense if you're like me and have a dozen PSUs sitting around collecting dust... and there are many former miners in a similar situation. Just sayin'.

Although I'm absolutely NOT interested in the S5+ at all. It's barely an improvement on the S5. It looks to me like Bitmain is simply trying to find a way to quickly dispose of the previous generation chips to make way for the next gen.
legendary
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 probably just trying to get his money back after realizing he didnt have 220v


 There is NO BLOODY REQUIREMENT FOR 220 to run a S5+. Never has been. I don't understand why this rubbish BS claim keeps popping up.

 Yes, it might be a bit more efficient, as you get less I2R losses in the input circuitry to the PS and a hair less in the wiring. It's NOT a requirement.


If you go with recommended PSU's it is required.  The PSU's they recommend don't work with 120.   

But yes you could keep throwing 120 lines to lower power PSU's.  But would not make a lot of sense.   Just look at amount of PCI-e cables it takes.  But if you ROI'ed on a lot of ATX supplies and had multiple line's of 120 close together yes you could run it.
grn
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the paypal option is nice Gareth.. but soon you will have other resellers stocking up on these offering them for under 3k.  I know Scott at HolyBitcoin is getting a shipment in and accepts paypal as well, i think he is planning on offering them at 2999.97

They are on ebay at $2900 + $60 shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bitmain-Antminer-S5-7-7TH-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-Brand-New-Factory-Sealed-Box-/262009233717?hash=item3d00f7a135


yeah not bad, some guy had one for 2500 earlier and it was snatched up quick lol, makes me wonder why he had it so low with ebay / paypal fees.. probably just trying to get his money back after realizing he didnt have 220v

That would be a foolish reason since it only needs 12v DC
hero member
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I am not defending dogie , but   he said it is cheaper to buy from bitmaintech then itop.

Now itop may not like that but that was true.

http://www.itopshop.net/world-biggest-miner-antminer-s5-bitcoin-miner-77-t-3436w-p-271.html

3299  plus shipping


https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=0002015081407532655504JMKzsM067B

2307 plus shipping


so we are talking about a big mark up here.

My question to iTop is will you reduce price or keep the markup?





id consider buying from itop since he takes paypal, but the higher price is a dealbreaker.. i can see why one would charge a slight premium to cover merchant fees but not that much

There's this thing called "profit". Google it.   Grin
legendary
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 probably just trying to get his money back after realizing he didnt have 220v


 There is NO BLOODY REQUIREMENT FOR 220 to run a S5+. Never has been. I don't understand why this rubbish BS claim keeps popping up.

 Yes, it might be a bit more efficient, as you get less I2R losses in the input circuitry to the PS and a hair less in the wiring. It's NOT a requirement.
hero member
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Glow Stick Dance!
i placed an order for 6 x antminer s5's 1 day before the s5+ was released and paid in full, now  the bitmaintech support wont let me transfer my funds to a new order and pay the remaining difference to receive the s5+....not very pleased.

Well that's your fault for not paying attention to what was coming down the line from Bitmain. The S5+ hasn't been a secret for quite some time.
legendary
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I'm fairly confident they will sell more batches of the s5+, it just makes sense from a business perspective.. Why release new gen when the competition is non existent.. S5+ was tempting but I opted to get some sp20's instead for the stealth factor

Depends, the S2 and S3++ were used to help consume the last of a generation's chip supplies and the S5+ may be the same. There's probably a finite number of S5+s planned and even if they're selling better than expected there may not be significant follow up stock. The S7 has to appear at some point.

I think it will be based on profit.  These sure do use up a lot of chips which could clear out inventory.  But also I think with current gen chips they have perfected process so if they make money I could see making chips for it and doing more batches.

Or the could wait till next gen before making more chips.   I think all depends on financials that likely will not be shared.
legendary
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the paypal option is nice Gareth.. but soon you will have other resellers stocking up on these offering them for under 3k.  I know Scott at HolyBitcoin is getting a shipment in and accepts paypal as well, i think he is planning on offering them at 2999.97

They are on ebay at $2900 + $60 shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bitmain-Antminer-S5-7-7TH-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-Brand-New-Factory-Sealed-Box-/262009233717?hash=item3d00f7a135


yeah not bad, some guy had one for 2500 earlier and it was snatched up quick lol, makes me wonder why he had it so low with ebay / paypal fees.. probably just trying to get his money back after realizing he didnt have 220v
legendary
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How are you doing this though?  Are you having customers send to you or sending to bitmain as if it was you?

Bitmain terms are here: https://bitmain.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202661989-Limited-90-Day-Warranty-Terms-

They clearly post: "it does not extend to owners of the product other than the original owner" and as first buyer and not official reseller you are original owner.  They even warn of resellers may claim to have warranty that do not on sales "Some resellers may claim the units be qualified, however, it may not be."

Can you please show us documentation where Bitmain say's your not an official reseller yet you may transfer warrenty?

Hi, thanks for your question.

Currently, it seems Bitmain do not allow warranty claims through resellers but we are attempting to communicate and work with them on this issue.

In the mean time, I can confirm that we are offering an ITOP 90-day warranty - the same as the manufacturer - on all purchases of the S5+ made through our official site. If you need to return a faulty unit, you can send it back to us within the warranty period and we will continue to offer this unless we can do it through Bitmain in the future - this is our guarantee.

As a result, our costs are a little higher due to extra expenses in dealing with warranty claims but we offer more payment options and better customer service and support on our full range of products.

Can you list the TOS to your warranty?   Bitmain has a page with TOS for warranty.

Thak you for saying offering "we are offering an ITOP 90-day warranty".  I still think you should say like manufacture not same as.  With being a unofficial reseller it truly is not same as.   So you are getting better but still not there on describing it.
hero member
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the paypal option is nice Gareth.. but soon you will have other resellers stocking up on these offering them for under 3k.  I know Scott at HolyBitcoin is getting a shipment in and accepts paypal as well, i think he is planning on offering them at 2999.97

They are on ebay at $2900 + $60 shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bitmain-Antminer-S5-7-7TH-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-Brand-New-Factory-Sealed-Box-/262009233717?hash=item3d00f7a135
legendary
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How are you doing this though?  Are you having customers send to you or sending to bitmain as if it was you?

Bitmain terms are here: https://bitmain.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202661989-Limited-90-Day-Warranty-Terms-

They clearly post: "it does not extend to owners of the product other than the original owner" and as first buyer and not official reseller you are original owner.  They even warn of resellers may claim to have warranty that do not on sales "Some resellers may claim the units be qualified, however, it may not be."

Can you please show us documentation where Bitmain say's your not an official reseller yet you may transfer warrenty?

Hi, thanks for your question.

Currently, it seems Bitmain do not allow warranty claims through resellers but we are attempting to communicate and work with them on this issue.

In the mean time, I can confirm that we are offering an ITOP 90-day warranty - the same as the manufacturer - on all purchases of the S5+ made through our official site. If you need to return a faulty unit, you can send it back to us within the warranty period and we will continue to offer this unless we can do it through Bitmain in the future - this is our guarantee.

As a result, our costs are a little higher due to extra expenses in dealing with warranty claims but we offer more payment options and better customer service and support on our full range of products.

the paypal option is nice Gareth.. but soon you will have other resellers stocking up on these offering them for under 3k.  I know Scott at HolyBitcoin is getting a shipment in and accepts paypal as well, i think he is planning on offering them at 2999.97
newbie
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How are you doing this though?  Are you having customers send to you or sending to bitmain as if it was you?

Bitmain terms are here: https://bitmain.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202661989-Limited-90-Day-Warranty-Terms-

They clearly post: "it does not extend to owners of the product other than the original owner" and as first buyer and not official reseller you are original owner.  They even warn of resellers may claim to have warranty that do not on sales "Some resellers may claim the units be qualified, however, it may not be."

Can you please show us documentation where Bitmain say's your not an official reseller yet you may transfer warrenty?

Hi, thanks for your question.

Currently, it seems Bitmain do not allow warranty claims through resellers but we are attempting to communicate and work with them on this issue.

In the mean time, I can confirm that we are offering an ITOP 90-day warranty - the same as the manufacturer - on all purchases of the S5+ made through our official site. If you need to return a faulty unit, you can send it back to us within the warranty period and we will continue to offer this unless we can do it through Bitmain in the future - this is our guarantee.

As a result, our costs are a little higher due to extra expenses in dealing with warranty claims but we offer more payment options and better customer service and support on our full range of products.
legendary
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I'm fairly confident they will sell more batches of the s5+, it just makes sense from a business perspective.. Why release new gen when the competition is non existent.. S5+ was tempting but I opted to get some sp20's instead for the stealth factor

Depends, the S2 and S3++ were used to help consume the last of a generation's chip supplies and the S5+ may be the same. There's probably a finite number of S5+s planned and even if they're selling better than expected there may not be significant follow up stock. The S7 has to appear at some point.
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I'm fairly confident they will sell more batches of the s5+, it just makes sense from a business perspective.. Why release new gen when the competition is non existent.. S5+ was tempting but I opted to get some sp20's instead for the stealth factor

Of course they would definitely list their 2nd Batch of s5+ might be today or tomorrow,as it's just the beginging  yet.
legendary
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I'm fairly confident they will sell more batches of the s5+, it just makes sense from a business perspective.. Why release new gen when the competition is non existent.. S5+ was tempting but I opted to get some sp20's instead for the stealth factor
legendary
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the sh s5 7th batch is sold out also....hmm... the s7 time is near  Grin

No I think not ,  we will get at least 1 month of s-5+  more likely 2 months of s-5+.


BTW I would hope to be wrong about my guess.


oh...i do hope you're wrong and they will pull it out....s5+/s4 are at another scale of mining as s5/s7...let's hope they are considering separate types of buyers for these large scale/little scale mining rigs....feeling stupidly confident  Grin

It really is not that hard to get 240.   So I do not think they will consider it a different miner status.  I would not expect to see a jump to next gen right after selling batch 1.

I think there are a few batches to come.   It is a pretty good machine as far as specs.    I feel this miner is still one that a hobby miner could run, not all but most.  Not to mention they have mastered making this chip being used.  So they chances are can make it pretty cheap.    And selling these helps make next gen without needing a loan/investor.
legendary
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the sh s5 7th batch is sold out also....hmm... the s7 time is near  Grin

No I think not ,  we will get at least 1 month of s-5+  more likely 2 months of s-5+.


BTW I would hope to be wrong about my guess.

The S5+ sold out fairly quickly. Id have to agree with Philipma1957 that if Bitmain has a new unit already deployed, or about to be... Their business model has always been to use the units first then begin liquidating when their next generation is ready to go in to the legacy unit's place.

Id be surprised if we see any significant upgrades anytime soon. Mining difficult has nearly stalled and will remain relatively flat until the new ASIC wafers are production ready.  Difficulty may rise come winter... But for now even mining with S3+ units is in fact profitable, which are far less efficient than the S5/S5+.

Strato 
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the sh s5 7th batch is sold out also....hmm... the s7 time is near  Grin

No I think not ,  we will get at least 1 month of s-5+  more likely 2 months of s-5+.


BTW I would hope to be wrong about my guess.


oh...i do hope you're wrong and they will pull it out....s5+/s4 are at another scale of mining as s5/s7...let's hope they are considering separate types of buyers for these large scale/little scale mining rigs....feeling stupidly confident  Grin
legendary
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the sh s5 7th batch is sold out also....hmm... the s7 time is near  Grin

No I think not ,  we will get at least 1 month of s-5+  more likely 2 months of s-5+.


BTW I would hope to be wrong about my guess.
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