Topic: Anunymint ban - page 4. (Read 9059 times)

Shelby has been here for 5 years also. I bet he was online in the forum more than you. Why are you so special?

FTFY


Nobody has answered his repeated up-thread “What rules?”

Bottom line is you totalitarians think he is incorrigible and you want to control him but you do not apply the same control to all users of the forum (as he has documented up-thread).

And you are unwilling to submit to decentralized moderation stored on a decentralized ledger. And thus bitcointalk.org must be disintermediated, because as you can see (as Shelby warned you last year) the spam is getting worse and the users are growing weary of the “junk posts”.

The forum is dying. Volume of new spam accounts is not an indicator of growth. Observe what happens.


You mean you allow yourself to be manipulated by those who control the propaganda. Quite objective of you. Kudos. I should learn to be a fully-docile, unobtrusive sheep like you so I will not be banned by the gatekeepers!

The tall poppy syndrome.

I based my statement off my observation of the forum over the last 5+ years here.

I read what both sides claim and we all have to choose which side they feel is right.  Based on my personal experience here in the forums and the information I've read so far I am inclined to believe his constant breaking of rules is the reason for his ban and not the conspiracy theory side. (I don't generally buy into a lot of conspiracy theories, but that's me).

so basically Shelby has been banned from discussing his ban, in a forum meant for such a discussion.   

Shelby (aka @AnonyMint) claimed the opposite up-thread.
He claims his @TPTB_need_war was banned originally in 2016 (none his accounts prior to that were banned) because he wrote critically about Monero and Ethereum and because he was insulting (those who were also insulting Shelby) influential anonymous members such as @gmaxwell¹, @Foxpup, @stereotype, @Lauda, @iCEBREAKER, etc..
Shelby claims that the original “multi-posting” allegation (which he entirely stopped doing a long-time ago) is something everyone does (look here is a link to (archived here) @aliashraf doing it yesterday) and was a fabricated reason to silence him because he is the one who speaks with the most critical technological rigor on the entire forum.





He was not evading his ban. The LN reply (archived here) was a reply to discussions that others made in the Meta threads about his ban!

He was discussing the topic you and he were discussing in this thread about the entirely arbitrary concept of moderation that @theymos alleges he violated.
You guys are just inventing arbitrary fucking technicalities to justify your insane totalitarianism because Core can’t withstand his powerful logic.


¹ _{Obviously Gregory Maxwell, so an exception to anonymous}

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I told Shelby he should lessen the toxicity of the following message he sent me and he replied “no they will never stop the toxicity and idiocy, the only solution is decentralized moderation, please post my truth”:

so Shelby is banned again.

im not here to argue reasons or whatnot, but anyone who is interested in his take on this can read it here:

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/re-codypanama-re-anonymint-non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption-20180717t021144860z

While I haven't been closely following Anonymint's newest alt's posts after my last response to him, looking at his post history, he, as Flying Hellfish said, probably got banned for starting to get into discussions that weren't about his ban (as per the explanation of rule 25 in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657; suggestions for skipping junk posts, opinion on LN, talking about his decentralized forum in unrelated threads). If I'm not mistaken, that's what got his the_end_is_near account banned as well.

Read rule #25 and then you can see why I assume that account was banned (No I did not ban it).

Dude if you read and follow the rules you can say almost ANYFUCKINGTHING here on this forum.  I have yet to see a user following the rules receive a ban for just a controversial opinion.

Although the forum is absolutely centralized you will find very few medium that allows you as much freedom as here.  Just don't break the very few, very simple rules and you will be 100% fine!

I have stated my objection against banning anonymint,  I'm not here to discuss the details, just received a pm that his latest account @Shelby_Moore_III is banned again?
I thought posting in Meta is a norm for people to discuss their situation when they get banned. Shelby broke some other rule here? What rule? I'm really concerned about this whole story, Are we in danger?

I'm not good with Core, I don't believe in their agenda and don't think they are super-genius, and worse, I am used to calling them junior hackers, kids, ... Should I be worried about being humiliated and banned? And then sentenced to death or something?

And after my death, my posts will be removed permanently and my ghost won't be allowed to come here (like being summoned) to tell the truth about how I've been assassinated.

It is so terrifying, dudes, what should I do? Bending knees? Noways!

1000000 BTC???

How do you know that person has that many coins? please, we are going to need proof for such a big claim.

The forum staff's time would be better spent elsewhere rather than discussing obviously-valid-bans with try-hard trolls. Just ban him and roach whenever they pop up and let's move on.

Be grateful for what? Are you accepting that you are a freakin’ slave? Would you just accept abuse as normal? (I find your statement to be so unpalatable to the point of utter disgust that you would think that way)

Is this a cultural difference between us?

Please clarify your point?

I will never be grateful for strife ridden places. They are anti-productive. To be avoided by those who want to successful. Mark Cuban says the secret to becoming a $billionaire is surround yourself with people who remove stress.

I am not going to endure trolling. Too old for that. Life is too short. Waste of life.


I am not the inventor of game theory nor did I ever claim to be. What are you saying?

No I am not proposing that I want to be lazy and have others filter for me. I am proposing that I would be allowed to filter for them when they will trust my judgments because they chose me as a moderator. I was not forced on them. And ditto I might also choose to trust them when they hit the Ignore button, but I would prefer both an ignore post and ignore user (so we can give the trolls a few chances before we banish them entirely from our grouping).

I am not being lazy when I trust[am forced to accept] the self-moderated thread owner to filter for me. I am just proposing that each of us be allowed to choose who we want to be our moderators separately from each of the choices of others as to whom they trust to be their moderators. So then nothing is ever truly deleted from the database.

So for example I am reading a thread and I see some trolling so I press "delete", then everybody who trusts me as a moderator will also not see that post if they later read after I did. And ditto vice versa if I also trust them. It is a groupwise effort. If someone who trusts me as moderator decides to view what I deleted, they have the option to do so.

Please man, you are not making any sense.


Please read my prior message. What rules?

Unfortunately I grow very weary of people like you who can’t even (take the time to) comprehend what I already wrote in this thread. Did you not read what I wrote in my prior post?

As I implied, I would like to shrink the circle of people I interact with to those who do not waste my time like this forcing me to recapitulate so much.

I would propose to have two levels for decentralized moderation: strict and lenient

In strict mode I would have deleted your post as trolling because you did not put enough effort in expressing yourself coherently and reading the thread entirely before you posted. So those following me in strict mode would not see your post. And I probably would have not replied to it. Those following me in lenient mode would see your post but it will be flagged as deleted by me in strict mode. For the worst trolling I would also delete it in lenient mode.

I am an idea machine. I create new s/w feature ideas at a rate of several per day. If ever get back to coding the way I did before I was ill, watch out! (@stereotype would accuse me being narcissistic)







I truly believe that with the decentralized moderation, there would be much less insanity and people would become incentivized and motivated to produce quality constructive discussion instead of this insanity of strife, trolling, and destructive mayhem that is bitcointalk.org.

Be grateful you were not tagged left and right, inventor of game theory lol. you would like others to filter the content for you so that you could easily skip the trolling? good luck with that.
I must admit this thread is one of the best topics I have ever seen since a year now, @theymos please don't ban people because of their opinions, if this dude is in opposition of Bitcoin core, let them discuss, we need to hear everybody and their sides of arguments, his posts is better than usual sig campaign garbage posters. just promise that you are not going to break the rules man, we are also human beings and participate here and we are also following the same rules, asking you to respect these rules is the most civil request IMO.

Do you have native ancestry and culture? Were you as ill as I was? You can not accurately judge what tortures another person in the situation they were in. My inability to kill[confront] him was torture for me (or let’s say the inability to get justice).

We simply do not allow people to live when they talk to us that way in this culture. When someone makes that sort of statement here, then it is every member of the families’ responsibility to take revenge on that person and we are in torture until we can restore honor to our tribe.

Also you do not understand that mental state I was in because you can not until you have suffered the health that I described in my blog. If you have not read that section of my blog, then you do not know what I am talking about.

And if you are pure (northern, manoralism culture) European ancestry then you will not understand anyway because you defeated tribalism in order to prosper in the Agricultural and Industrial revolutions. (Even I have European ancestry, I am also locked inside of a Cherokee body to a great extent as Nietzsche correctly surmised)

I don’t think some of these pussies around here understand that they simply do not talk that way to real men on the street. Just like you wouldn’t say anything like that to the 6'5" defensive lineman from Arizona State University football team who I got into a fight with when I was 19 years old. And I do not have any exception just because this is the Internet. I would not react any differently whether you are online or in front of my face. If someone talks that way to me, it is war. They get away with it because there are no repercussions primarily because of the anonymity.

If you need a visual explanation, note that Nate Robinson has filipino ancestry. Watch him in this video becoming pissed off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G28HcqIlTuM
https://youtu.be/I9UHAh72QhU?t=268

I explained in my first post in this thread that @stereotype was talking shit about my kids. Here is what Lebron James has to say about that:


There no possible rule other than to stop allowing anonymity. So then we can prosecute under the law for laws in place against abuse over the Internet. I am confident there are such laws in the UK where apparently @stereotype is located. And if I ever determine who he is, then I will make sure either the law does what it is supposed to do, or I must fulfill the honor to my culture in any way that I can.

EDIT: I just posted negative trust on @stereotype’s profile for violating the Protection from Harassment Act 1997: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking#Europe

But I also recognize that honor killing is primitive. And that is why I would prefer that my grouping of like-minded friends can discuss in a decentralized moderation wherein we can filter out such inflammatory trolls (by choosing our common moderator), so that we might try to avoid those primitive outcomes, if at all possible. Even I mostly reject tribalism, but in terms of honor I do not, because it is also heavy ingrained into me from being raised in the Old South.

That is why I am proposing decentralized moderation as a possible alternative. Because I really can’t think of another good way of handling the problem that makes this forum such an insane asylum.

Does anyone have a better idea?


I was apparently temp-banned not for consecutive posting but for copy+paste posting in multiple threads (or at least it seems like I had some reason to think that but I can not remember if someone wrote that or why I think that). But afair, I was never told why I was temp-banned so therefor I refused to follow it because it seemed to be some form of politicized corruption. The timing of the ban was very suspect and I think some of the people in the Monero community got me banned the first time because they did not like what I was writing. They were pissed off that I had claimed to have invented Zero Knowledge Transactions (in the summer of 2015 when I dropped down to 50 kg!) before they published RingCT. I remember that now after viewing the very few posts of the @HONCO account.

I would follow rules if they are clearly explained and make sense. But I will never follow corruption.

However, if @theymos creates a sane thing, I will act sane. If he creates an insane thing, then do not expect me to act insane just for him.


And no @theymos you can never ban me. I can come back anytime I want primarily because you want to allow anonymity.   (that does not mean I will, or that I want to, just to remind you of the limitations of your authority)

I am not proposing to eliminate anonymity. That is not a complete solution to the problems of discord, although it would probably help. That is why I instead am contemplating decentralized moderation as a possible improvement.

@theymos would be advised to be more mutually respectful and stop acting like a totalitarian asshole, if he wants my mutual respect. Now it may be that he just really isn’t aware of what is going on. I am not privy the necessary information to know what goes on behind the scenes at his business.

Again I am more than willing to cooperate with a sane system.

If you create a system that provides no way for sanity to prevail over insanity then is that my fault as the user of the system?

I have created million user software and I did not blame my users for features being difficult to use. I improved the features!

If @theymos would consider that there is no way that sane people want to continue using a forum with so many anonymous trolls!

And we also do not want to use a system where one group can get another member banned from the entire forum just because they do not like what he is posting. They make up some BS story to sell to the mods about that user doing some “multi-posting” or what ever.

That is why we need decentralized moderation with all the data stored on a blockchain so that nobody can censor anything. But each of us can choose to filter out what we do not want to see. And do it groupwise, not just an individual Ignore feature. The moderated thread is somewhat close to what we want but I already explained up-thread why it is not sufficient.



Also I am not going to continue posting to a centralized database. I want all of my work to be open source. So that no corrupt party has control over the data.

It is ridiculous that anybody has to power to delete the data created by others! Hell no! Fuck no! That must stop!




Let me make it very clear that I am not demanding any changes to bitcointalk.org. I just came here to explain my side of the story. And to explain what sort of forum system I would like to experiment with someday if possible.

Nor was I demanding to be reinstated.

I just think it is quite indicative of the insanity of this clusterfuck that @theymos is trolling me, lol. If he stops trolling me, then I will stop being a defiant rebel to him. He should admit his forum sucks in the area of civility (it does not suck in every way, some aspects are good). But the incivility and arbitrary politicized banning crap makes it so stressful and painful that most important people just don’t. They leave or rarely visit.

Don’t tell me to have a thick skin. Nobody needs that level of stress and abuse in their life. I realize that some guys on this forum are mental cyber-warfare assassins. They live and breath the warfare of this insanity. But some of us prefer to have peaceful and productive lives actually doing some vocation other than forum warfare. We do not have time and energy for all this crap.



Btw, the following is by far one of the least abusive posts that @stereotype made against me:


But it still exemplifies that he (who abusively claims to know psychology) feigns that he had no awareness that I was using the forum as a way of surviving my illness (actually he knows damn well that he was trying to break me psychologically because he could see I was so weakened by my illness):





And I told him and everyone many times that the doctors in the Philippines did not diagnose Tuberculosis. I went to the doctors and they never suspected nor suggested testing for it. And I did not know that latent TB is endemic here. I did not have enough money to travel until January 2017 (when someone I met on this forum loaned me some money to go get medical care in Singapore). I had exhausted all of my funds because I had not been able to work since 2012 because of the illness. Also because after I was hospitalized for the perforated ulcer in 2012, I lost $70,000 on some scammer then I had to continue making $1500 a month payments to the USA for my ex and kids. My 18000 oz of silver had been stored in a vault in Manila but they defrauded me out of about half of it, and only returned that half to me when silver had dropped to low $20s (even I had publicly predicted the year before in 2010 it would rise to $45). So by 2015 I had depleted all my funds. I already showed my medical records. The doctors only thought I had NAFLD (non alcoholic) fatty liver disease. So then when I dropped from 85 to 50 kg in July/August 2015, I was both extremely ill and also lacking funds. And also I thought there was nothing any doctors could do to help me because I already went to the doctors. Also I didn’t have any health insurance in the USA and none of my family was willing to help me. So I was dying and no one cared. But luckily someone did help me and I got diagnosed in January 2017 in Singapore (they suggested checking for gut TB which I had never heard of and certainly @CoinCube who is a doctor never suggested TB to me over the years he knew of my symptoms since 2013!). Then I had to take these very liver toxic antibiotics for 6 months which further fucked up my liver. I was so far gone by that point that my body did not recover well from the TB. It is only by now some 1 year later, that I am starting to get some stability back to my health.

Actually I still do not think Tuberculosis was the only infection I had. I know my ex in the USA infected me with HPV in 2006 and that had started the decline in my health. And also in 2012 the doctors found antibodies in my blood indicating that I had been infected with dengue fever in the past (maybe more than once) and I never knew it. That exemplifies how strong I was it. It required multiple infections to finally bring me down. Multiple dengue infections oftens causes lifetime auto-immunity and bad health.

So @stereotype is simply incorrect about almost everything about me.


He was actually very reasonable and mostly correct on this point. By far much less worse than the other highly abusive posts of his that I linked from my first post in this thread where I quoted my blog.


Lol. There was no one in that thread who was capable of helping me. That is his huge inkblot ego.


His inkblot ego thinks the way I interact with trolls like him is the way I interact with my peers such as engineers who are capable like @keean.


There he goes again flying off into the troll asylum like a psycho loon, but at least he did not mention my kids again.

I would find it very unlikely anything that has happened on the forum has caused anything close to what can be reasonably argued to be "torture", although I would be willing to change my mind if I see verified evidence of such.

Also, if someone has harmed you in a way that is not against the rules, there may be a case for an additional rule and/or policy. If you think an additional rule or policy is needed, you can, and should make the argument for as much.


According to theymos' account, you were temp banned several times because of this, however the bans escalated because of ban evasion, that is, you were allegedly using alt accounts to post from when one (or more) of your other accounts were temp banned for the above.