Topic: Anunymint ban - page 5. (Read 9059 times)

I got a PM from mprep saying that a post of mine was deleted because it was a reply to someone who  was evading their ban, who upon investigation is Anunymint.

I haven't read the bickering between mprep and Anunymint, and I have no financial reason to care about my post count. I found the small number of posts I interacted with/read to be insightful and interesting, which unfortunately is a rarity around here.

Having rules about what you can and cannot do is not unusual in society. This is exactly the role of governments, and without these rules, people would be harming people and extorting people without regard for others.

If you don't agree with a particular rule, or a group of rules, you should make an argument to have the rules changed, not ignore the rules. The exception to this would be if the rules/laws were reprehensibly immoral (such as killing people for arbitrary reasons), which is not the case with forum rules.

I think Anunymint should agree to not excessively create successive posts in threads, and to not otherwise break forum rules. Upon Anunymint agreeing to this, theymos should unban his accounts. I cannot make the argument that someone who is likely to continue breaking and ignoring the rules should be able to participate in the forum.   

I can’t exactly remember. Seems like the first time I got perma-banned might have been 2016 when I was posting rather aggressively with my negative opinion of Ethereum mainly w.r.t. to the scaling plans (which I have been vindicated on by now). But I may be mistaken. I am 100% certain the @Anonymint account was never banned. @theymos closed it for me at my request (and again I wish I would have instead realized to scramble the password so as to not have bothered him with that request).

I remember one of the reasons I wanted to quit was because I was disappointed also in myself that some scammer @BitcoinEXpress had tried to use me to pretend he could attack Monero. So I surmised I was too ill and not thinking clearly enough. Sort of like my technological mind can continue to run on autopilot even though my awareness of other things was like a zombie.

I know I was not in a good state of mind or health. I was very depressed about my health but trying to remain productive and sustain some hope. I am more upbeat now that my health is not so intractable.

EDIT: after eating brunch, I now have a moment to try to remember. Looking back at some of my multiple accounts history, I remember I voluntarily tried to quit multiple times because I was discouraged by all the trolling and arguments I was becoming mired in. I quit the @AnonyMint account. Then created but quit @TheFascistMind. So neither of those two accounts were banned. I’m almost certain that the first account of mine that was banned was @TPTB_need_war. I think that is correct, because I vaguely remember that I also created the account @HONCHO at that time.



Well many of us find discussion valuable enough to invest our time in it, yet we also dislike the strife. So surely we are willing to spend a little bit of money or effort to have less trolling and more high quality discussion.

The real issue is whether decentralized moderation would actually work and lower the level of stress that people endure in discussions.

I know there are at least a dozen or more members here on this site who I can have very civil discussions with. If I had them in my moderator set, such that any post they flag as trolling is not seen by me, I think my life would be much less stressful.

For example I would trust @miscreanity as a moderator to flag posts that I probably should not read. He would know what would cause me to get angry and waste time.

Before I got ill, I would basically spend my life coding, talking a little bit with others about coding and engineering issues, doing sports, and then social life off the computer. I basically need discussions to network with those who have knowledge I need to discuss and to form groups for projects. Given that is a very significant component of the economics of what I do with my career, I think it has value and should not be entrusted to a moderation policy and system that devolves into so much time wasted on strife.

As for the general population, you may be correct although I think we can probably find some features from decentralization that would entice them. The masses also like new things. Even a small market these days is still a 100 million users.




EDIT#2: I am now reading what you quoted about moderation policy which says trolling and repeated false accusations are not allowed, but then you said insults are allowed. This is a clusterfucked policy. Clearly @stereotype was making false accusations about myself endangering my children several times in more than one thread. So clearly that was repeated false accusations and not merely insults. In fact, I think I even told him that my kids were in the USA, not with me. So he damn well knew they could not be getting Tuberculosis from me or other filipinos. But damn-it their mother is a filipina and they also come back to the Philippines as adults (not children anymore) without my permission, so it is not like we can stop filipinos from exposing themselves to Tuberculosis even though it is endemic here. How many times I warned my adult (19 at that time) son not to kiss girls from the poverty area where his mother originates from but he refused and preferred to live in that squatter area than live in my house in the gated subdivision (or maybe he didn’t want to live with my gf who is not his mother?). So it is absolutely insane torture what @stereotype was writing. Even now when I think back on it, I still feel it is torture. There is no way I can participate in a forum that subjects me to that torture and not end up freaking out. He knows if he stepped one foot in the Philippines and made a comment like that to anyone here (not just me), he would not be alive very much longer. They would slice him up with a bolo knife and make kinilaw a la Brit. Seriously. I just asked the filipinas here in my household what would happen to @stereotype if he made that sort of statement to their parents or any parents in this country, and they did not hesitate and responded immediately that he will die immediately.

But the more salient point is that there is no policy you can make which is not going to be subjective. That is why instead of a moderation policy, I prefer that we can each choose our own moderators, so that we can just squelch from our display those things which we do not like. Because there is no such thing as a fair moderation policy. Because the subjectivity is too ambiguous. Can’t exist. Waste of time to attempt one.

Disagree. There is red text in some of my replies in the vicinity of @stereotype’s post which (afair) state you “removed veiled threat of bodily harm”. Go to the links in my first post in this thread to find those.

So I presume you were also reading his posts also, else how could you have read mine.

And frankly how do you expect me react when someone attacks my children and my parenting. Also given I was using this forum as a means of keeping myself from getting entirely depressed about my horrible situation, that is absolute torture what @stereotype was doing to me and he knew it also. He was trying to break me. Okay so you were adhering to the moderation policy (which I never bothered to read, analogous to I never read the fine print of software licences).

And so now you see the result of bitcointalk.org’s moderation policy: an insane asylum

Everyone is leaving because of the insanity of trolls. And my incivility is because others do not debate me, they troll me. Never will you see them make actual technological debate with me ever since @smooth left the building (few exceptions being for example the few remaining engineers such as @aklan, @shunsaitakahashi, @monsterer2, @Ix, and several others who are still in the Development & Technical Discussion subforum). They few times they try, they are quickly refuted by me. For example, @Carlton Banks recently tried and was refuted (go read the technological argument I made if you do not believe me). Then when the for example Core shills have nothing of substance to debate me with, they resorted to pure trolling my reputation as you see @DooMAD continuing up-thread here.

That is why the engineers leave. And before we had @gmaxwel and his band of Core devs ridiculing anyone who tried to post in Development & Technical Discussion subforum. That is why I rarely posted there before although that is probably where I should have been posting instead of Altcoin Discussion. Since Gregory is apparently gone, that subforum appears to be much more civil (at least during the 1 month I was posting there).

It is possible I misjudged you @mprep. But then again, you misjudged me too. I was just fighting back in the insane asylum that the moderation policy creates.


As I said, I do not know what to do about the trolling other than we need the ability to form groupings of people we can get along with when discussing. So that is why I want the degrees-of-freedom to choose my grouping, i.e. to chose my moderator and be grouped with those who also choose that moderator. Because I personally would rather just not read any trolling from the Core shills. If they have some cogent arguments, I would like to read them. They are entitled to their beliefs. I do not want to waste time battling them. The future outcome will reward those who were correct and take talents from those who were not correct. I just want to be able have reasonably civil technology discussions.

I am a feisty rebel. And athletic, high testosterone (when I am not sick or actually even when I was in delirium I could still push myself sometimes but I would crash hard for days). But even for me, one thing that happens as we age, it just isn’t worth expending all my energy on all the drama.

If you're referring to your iamnotback account, I was merging your consecutively posted posts into a single one, editing in notes to every deleted post that informed the user of said posts being merged. Didn't really require me to read the discussion. You can check (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/iamnotback-851556) which posts were merged since I used the [hr] tag (line) to separate the content.

It was that or deleting quoted reposts.

You were banned for ban evading and, if theymos isn't wrong, repeated multi-posting. The only bans I personally issued (last 2? 3? not sure) were for ban evasion on a few of your latest alts.

As for your idea, I did not ridicule it. I criticized your idea and ridiculed you for IMO your absolutely awful character traits. One of which is your continued claims that your idea will (not might) replace centralized discussion forums while nothing of the sort seems to be happening. If decentralized forums take off, great, seems like something really interesting. It's just that I'm generally disillusioned with the general public's ability to sacrifice even a bit of convenience.


Pinged theymos about it via PM.

I think you are greatly overestimating as to what info I have access to and what I can actually do. Only admins can create new boards.

Fact is you allowed @stereotype make insane accusations about my minor children and other insane accusations, while you deleted words from my posts that were responding to his posts.

So clearly you were aware of the insane incivility and clearly you allowed it to escalate. Then you blame me when I fight back because you didn’t do your job well as a moderator.

How is that a fallacy? It is a fact.

(and it will do you no good to attempt to hide your tracks now, as I have archived everything already)

Again you seem to not understand my point. This is not a criminal court. This is a market and if the market loses confidence in you, then you lose.

And you already know you are losing because all of the engineers and wealthy have left bitcointalk.org.

Because you allow insanity to reign.


If that is the only form of moderation you are going to do, then you will have a clusterfuck of insane incivility. So why are you pissed off at me for being uncivil when you foster such an environment? i was just responding to the venom that you failed to moderate.

Now you are contradicting yourself. You claim that I am banned for being disruptive and now you state that you do not moderate anything but threats of bodily harm. So which is it? You can not have it both ways.

This is why I am planning to create a decentralized moderation forum, because it is very difficult to have both freedom and civility. The only way I can see to achieve it is with decentralized moderation. Yet you ridiculed my idea.


I am not a liar. Ask @theymos. Hopefully he remembers.


I can hardly remember what happened in 2015, 2016, and 2017. I was so delirious fighting that illness. I really do not know what happened.

I was fighting for my life. I was in a fight-or-flight cortisol mode trying to stay alive.





I really do not want to come back and fight all the trolling. If the moderation policy is somehow improved, maybe I might want to come back.

I can code now, so I really do not need to be here. I have something else I can do, now that I am not so sick as I was. But I wish there was a place to have “no trolling allowed” discussion about crypto.

I wish you would create a new subforum that has a very strict policy of moderation. No sarcasm allowed!

Actually I still think the decentralized moderation is the only way to make it work so each of us can choose our own moderators. The moderated thread idea sort of works but the problem is for example I did not start the Bitcoin Killer thread which is about me. Also people do not like to participate in moderated threads because it gives too much power to one person. I would prefer that each of us be able to select a moderator of our individual choosing for each thread.

P.S. I have just now linked from my blog to this the 2nd page of this thread. I am for 100% transparency.

Your presumption when you come up with a theory is that you're right and that anyone who opposes you should prove you wrong. Which is awfully similar to the Argument from ignorance fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance). Since you don't mind repeating yourself, I'll repeat what I've said: I don't have to disprove your conspiracy theories, especially the ones that are completely based on timing and your personal dislike for me. I delete hundreds to thousands of posts, ban tens to sometimes hundreds of users a day and go through ten to hundred fold of non-offending content every day. If you think that me moderating an active thread is viable proof, I don't have much to say to you.

As for the "accusations", see https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657:

Unless they were threats of bodily harm, see quotes above.

... are you kidding me? Why did you not, I dunno, said that was the case. While I'm not fully aware of why your first accounts got banned (maybe your first one got disabled and later ones got banned for actual offenses), if all of this stemmed from a single account being willingly disabled then mistook for a ban (thus prompting mods who handled later situations (the last of who AFAIK is me) to interpret your participation on the forum as a ban), you should immediately PM theymos to have it resolved and your bans absolved. Hell, CC me in the PM and I'll forward it.

Incorrect. This is not criminal case. The burden of proof is on you to convince we the users that your anonymous Staff is not corrupt when in fact you allowed @stereotype to attack my children (one of which was still a minor at the time) and all sorts of other insane accusations and only deleted words from my posts.

The circumstantial evidence is compelling in my opinion and I think also will be compelling in the opinion of others who matter (who bother to actually go click the links and read the evidence).


Is insane attacks on my children an allowable form of sarcasm on this forum? You failed to moderate it even though there is evidence that you were reading it.

You allowed the incivility to escalate to extremes. I was never attacking anyone’s children and other forms of insanely abusive forms of warfare that you allow to transpire on this forum. @miscreanity is correct that there is no sane moderation on this forum.


Nobody banned the @Anonymint account (it may have been banned later if someone was able to get access to it, I remember some of my past accounts later got hacked). I requested @theymos to permanently disable it. He graciously granted my request. I should have just scrambled the password so I didn’t have to bother him. I realized that later.

I was becoming more and more ill during 2014/15 and the strife between @Anonymint and Monero shills was rising, so I decided I should try to quit the forum. But I wasn’t able to quit because I became sort of dependent on it as the only thing I was capable of doing when I was so ill. I couldn’t sleep and I couldn’t stay awake, so all I could do was type like a zombie (not capable of coding).

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law) (note: vague statements, correlations and your gut feeling isn't proof). tl;dr I don't have to "prove" jack shit till you actually present direct and actual evidence of this imaginary "collusion" against you.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm. Popular form of expression. Quite a lot of it seems similar, especially for users in the same community.

While I'm flattered, I think you're giving me too much credit. That and you seem to ignore the fact that I'm enforcing one of the few most clear cut rules (ban evasion) while having absolutely no hand in your original account's (AnonyMint) ban.

Funny. Unlike you, just because I think someone has a shit personality, doesn't mean I think they're "unworthy".

Yes, because I'm sure people like Duterte and Pacquiao have absolutely nothing better to do with their time than to correspond with you regarding your doomsday scenarios about Bitcoin.  Just like I've got The Queen and Tyson Fury on speed dial and converse with them frequently about Minecraft.    

But if we play along and pretend this isn't all a figment of your imagination, how do you last more than five minutes without telling them the sky is falling and the world is going to end?  



You're hated because you derail just about every thread you've ever posted in.  You commandeer every single topic to talk at us about whichever one of your crackpot theories at the time is making you genuinely believe that you're the only one smart enough to save us mere mortals from ourselves.  And then absolutely nothing happens, so you move on to the next apocalypse that only you and your ego can supposedly prevent.  It's literally all you do.  Blather, rinse, repeat.

How do you prove that? I provided a link where he claims to have gone to lunch with a member of the Staff. And then we have you deleting some of my words in my posts (as evident by your red colored moderator notices in my posts) and so we know you were reading his attacks where is was attacking my children and sorts of insane accusations and you did no moderation whatsoever to attempt to maintain the civility of the discussion. You allowed him to do that. You could plausibly even be @stereotype!

And your replies above look very similar to @stereotype’s style of venom such as quoted below:


And quoted as follows you are clearly lying because you did not notice @anunymint for a month and then within hours of my post in the Bitcoin Killer thread in Altcoin Discussion, you nuked everything:


You perhaps have hoodwinked @theymos. I am beginning to wonder if maybe @theymos is the one being fooled by you.

I have contemplated that maybe @theymos is fooled by Core and all those who have infiltrated his organization.

A huge corruption. Which must be stopped.

There are many, many wealthy people who are not going to let you get away with this.

I think it is probably time for million BTC hodler Mircea Popescu and I to speak.

I will await @theymos’ reply.


You are lying. You ranted over several posts about how unworthy I am.

*deleted since you were ban evading and were never supposed post here in the first place.

I was also the director for the fake moon landing and orchestrated the global distribution of laughing gas via chemtrails. /sarcasm

Let me be clear: I have no clue as to who user "stereotype" is and AFAIK did not have dinner with him. Considering that in his profile he marked his location as the UK, I think he might be referring to a british moderator, rather than me.

Your self-importance is laughable. I ban your ban evading alts - that's it. I didn't (nor was I able to or requested to) even issue the original bans that got you booted off the forum.

If you think Bitcointalk's rules (which are put in place to facilitate constructive discussion) are "corruption", you are free to leave. You coming back (after swearing to never come back, twice) to a forum you deem horrible in both structure (centralized) and staff just seems like a pathetic attempt at garnering attention and sympathy.

Once you get permanently banned from the forum, you have to appeal your ban before you can go back to participating on it. If you get banned from entering a store after repeatedly screaming at the employees, you don't get to just go back and say "yeah, I'm not screaming anymore, I can be here". You contact the owners and ask them to let you back in.

And you are free to do so. By never coming back. Like you've already promised. Twice:


There's plenty of Bitcointalk users who could be defined as "hated" by the community or most staff. Yet they continue to participate on the forum because they adhere to the rules. You didn't - no matter how much you keep saying otherwise.

Yup, that's why they have moderators.

Cool. You've said it three times now.

So your word (the 2 promises of never returning to Bitcointalk) means nothing? You lecture about ethics and corruption but can't keep your own word.

Humblebragging and fishing for sympathy. Keeping it classy, anonymint.

Funnily enough, I stumbled upon your newest alt from an unrelated report of one of your non-altcoin threads.

Neither I nor (AFAIK) theymos is saying you're unworthy. We're saying you have to abide by the rules everyone else has to abide by. You do not get a free pass for being famous / intelligent / rich / etc. Also, bragging about high IQ on an internet forum is literally a meme.

I am not for big blocks. Have you entirely failed to read the 300 posts of @anunymint which your apparently corrupt mod @mprep nuked? Ah I realize you probably made that presumption because in my prior post I questioned whether bitcointalk.org is the canonical or official website for Bitcoin (so you must have thought I am shilling for bitcointalk.com, lol)

Also I think you should re-read my prior post and pay attention to the size 24 font text I inserted, which seems to imply corruption between your mod @mprep and user @stereotype who was so abusively critical of me. Click some of those links and read what was being said to me. Now in hindsight when I am not so ill, I can see they were colluding and @stereotype basically admitted it.

The bottom line is I was critical of and analyzing many flaws in the various shitcoins and so presumably the shitcoins people got together with your Altcoin Discussion mod and decided to formulate a plan to shut me off.


Why should I agree to abide by corruption? Please give me a good[sane] reason?

As if I was not following the rules ever since you told me that “multi-posting” was my crime.  

No I am not for sale to the highest corrupt bidder. I have my own ethics. If you want me to agree to be corrupt, sorry I can not follow you. I hope you understand. I will not join some kiss-ass, brown-nosing boyz club.

If there is some objectivized thing you would like to adhere to, I probably will as long as it is not subject to corruption and corrupt subjectivity. I mean I was already following the rules. But the rules were never the issue of why I was hated. I was hated because I stuck my neck out and criticized the shitcoins with solid analysis in the Altcoin Discussion forum which no one else was doing. I refused to regurgitate what I was (by implication) told to speak and not speak.

Forums naturally form discord. We all know that.

Anyway, I think frankly I am not that interested to return. All the smart engineers are gone from bitcointalk.org. There’s no interesting technological discussion any more. Only when I join the threads does anything accurate get spoken these days. For example the current LN thread discussion is incorrect or incomplete ever since @anunymint was nuked from the thread. They do not understand the concept of a natural monopoly and that the liquidity scale is the barrier-to-entry in LN because users always need to be where the liquidity is as exemplified by exchanges, especially in payment systems because merchants and users don’t want to be stuck and not be able to checkout the shopping cart.

The only reason I came back last month was because the Proof-of-Approval thread. I was interested in that design and @Traxo made a few posts for me there, but then it became unmanageable to discuss via @Traxo helping me out. So I created my own account to discuss in that thread. I made one post in a thread about “non-mining nodes don’t matter”, then the all the Core shills came in there to crucify me.

@theymos, you are entirely incorrect in your understanding of Core. Seriously man, you need to read my posts. Or you need to get on Skype with me and discuss. But anyway, I presume you’re not interested in the truth.

And frankly I am also tired of wasting time over here. But if you express a non-disingenuous interest, I will invest the effort to speak with you.

Fuck man, one of the threads (the 2nd page of the Wall Observer: Errors & Corrections) that @mprep nuked, I had sent in an email to the President of the Philippines and senator Manny Pacquiao, along with upper level Dept. of Finance officials. I’m hoping to go visit Manny who lives 2 hours from me to congratulate him on his victory yesterday where he regained a title belt at age 39. He and I are both athletes. I’ve been his fan since he was only a local fighter here in Mindanao when I was age 33 before I was blinded in my right eye (I’ve been living here in Mindanao since 1994).

For over a month I was posting as @anunymint with no major problems (other than the usual disbelief by n00bs such as yourself @theymos about the realities of technologies they don’t understand) and then I made my first post in the Altcoin Discussion and instantly @mprep was alerted and he nuked everything in a scorched earth policy.

@theymos I read that apparently you have a degree in computer science. So you’re not entirely a n00b but I also observed your analysis of altcoins, that you really do not have a deep understanding about this technology. Presumably because you are busy doing other activities. They are many nuances and besides a very deep comprehension requires more than just computer science. It also requires game theory, economics, sociology, and human psychology.

If I am so unworthy, then why did Matthew Laine with 180 IQ follow me on Quora? Why did another Omar Bessa from Quora with a 170 IQ also converse with me in email? And also Thomas West who claims to be 3 sigma was conversing with me there on Quora.




Censorship is so failure directed. I had answered a question on StackExchange about what to invest in with a $30K inheritance as of March 2017. I explained why they should invest some in Bitcoin. The answered was deleted by the mods!



What rules? You wrote “multi-posting”. I stopped consecutive posting after someone told me that is not allowed. But seems you were also accusing me of copy+pasting my points in multiple threads. But I was not the creator of those duplicate threads. If you moderators allow users to create duplicate threads on the same topic, then why can’t I reply to all of them?

Your rules seems highly ambiguous, subjective, and arbitrary. Thus potentially subject to abuse and corruption.


What rule was I violating that “keep the forum usable and fair”  

The reason I was pissed at you and your moderators is because your rules were not “keeping the forum usable and fair”!!!

How can you expect me to agree to something which is ill-defined. I would be a dishonest person if I agreed to that which is ill-defined and does not accomplish any goal that makes any sense.

LOL

It must be that other big-blockers like HostFat (moderator), franky1, jonald_fyookball, etc. have no problems here just because their arguments are ineffective. But faced with your incredible expertise, we had no choice but to ban you.

Look, you're banned because you've been fundamentally unwilling to follow any forum rules. This is a centralized forum, and if you want to post here, then you have to be willing to swallow your pride a bit, conform to forum rules, and take mods seriously when they give you warnings. If you're going to ignore mods, ignore rules, generally make a nuisance of yourself, and constantly escalate when called out, then you're simply not welcome on this centralized forum: go away and stop trying to sneak back.

As I mentioned before, I am willing to reconsider your ban if you promise to follow the same rules as everyone else and try to avoid getting banned, rather than having the attitude of "you can't ban me".

I understand that I, Shelby Moore III (aka Anonymint), even while perma-banned am allowed to create a new user account strictly for posting to the Meta subforum on this anonymously managed and anonymously owned forum bitcointalk.org website which some people mistakenly think is the canonical or official website for discussions related to Bitcoin or the cryptotokens (aka blockchain) ecosystem in general.


There are two sides to every story. I explained my side of the story at the following blog:

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption

Please note the section I added to that blog just now (if you had read it before):


I know there are others who post on bitcointalk.org that are also chronically ill. But I don’t know if they’re experiencing the same horrific meat grinder delirium, total exhaustion (from years upon years of no sleep), and extreme total body feeling of horrific unwellness, discomfort, and nausea from entire dysfunction (and partial shutdown/devolution) of the digestive, endocrine, and immune systems. Fuck does any reader know what it feels like to slowly die over a period of years while your organs degrade? Those who die from TB usually die from a ruptured blood vessel or organ failure.

Note though even as ill as I was, I didn’t lose appreciation that there are others worse off than me and not to look down on them as so many boyz at bitcointalk.org do thinking they’re superior to the slobs who never bought Bitcoin yet.

Do you realistically expect someone who is as ill as I was to always think clearly, be always fully aware of all their actions, and to be in a cheerful mood? And to endure the sort of ridicule (they also ridiculed Chris Langan who has a 200 IQ) I endured wherein they even blamed my illness, poverty, lack of quality healthcare, problems with my ex-wife, accused me of being a bad parent (c.f. also and also), etc. all on me. WTF? So I should be nice?

And @‍mprep is the moderator for Altcoin Discussion where those linked posts above are located, yet he never did anything to maintain civilized discussion (note I didn’t start that “Bitcoin Killer” thread so I had no power to moderate it although we can see his red colored comments inserted in my posts where he had deleted some of the content in my posts, so clearly he was reading all the attacks against me). Perhaps @‍mprep was bought off as implied by @‍‍stereotype?