Topic: Any managers lost good posters due recent mass ban? (Read 1254 times)
Competitive campaigns are hard to join, so it is obviosly that accepted applicants are really good posters. However, it does not mean that forum only have them are good posters, there are so many more good posters that rejected with their applicants due to a little bit less high quality than accepted users, but they are still good posters whom readily to take over open slots from banned users. Good thing is most of good posters whom got banned likely will get reduced sentence and will come back. It takes years for them to be able to join campaign again, but it is not too long to come back and contribute to forum via their posts after temporary bans passed.
Plagiarism has been an issue roaming around the forum affecting almost everyone plagiarized their threads when they were newbies/brand new members. Unfortunately, it affected also the quality and experienced members that is why there are lots of ban appeals in this section right now. But bear this in mind: with the number of people joining this forum everyday, there will never be a shortage of good posters and quality members.
If this is true and those currently using the accounts are going to be held to account for the plagiarism of the farmer, we might as well ban account sales, even if you can’t prevent all of them. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone to check for plagiarism when they buy an account, or even know how to effectively check. This way if someone is banned for plagiarism the farmer did, there wouldn’t be an injustice because they should have been banned for using the purchased account anyway (or the purchased account should have been locked).
I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.
I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.
While I'm not opposed to account sales being banned. This line of thought might become peoples next attempt at a get out of Jail free card. Even if they were banned moving forward it wouldn't change where we are now in dealing with these past infractions. They bough the account and if they weren't going to do their part to ensure the reputation they were buying was clean they can deal with the consequences of it. See it can go both ways, they bough the account and rank for the benefits, they can deal with the negatives as well, I don't see an injustice here. Buyer beware and whatnot.
On that note, seeing as these appeals can be made to Moderators, they can admit to their account being a bought account without further repercussions, such as negative feedback depending on when it was purchased. In case they bought it after it became an unacceptable practice, as it's still allowed based on forum guidelines.
I think it should be easy to detect if an account was sold a long time ago based on IP evidence and password changes. I don’t think many people would think to fake an account sale that would be apparent to the admins to evade plagiarism from years ago, as IMO those plagiarizing thought it would go unnoticed indefinitely.
Ideally we can get the plagiarism problem under control so that all prior plagiarism is found and punished as appropriate and future plagiarism is quickly uncovered.
I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list because they copypasted something years ago and it seems they cannot join again for a year. Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters.
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Why will they be given such privilege to rent out their avatar space? these categories of members shouldn't be given any right to that becasue they will indulge in the same act, it should be free post from them without pay period.
If this is true and those currently using the accounts are going to be held to account for the plagiarism of the farmer, we might as well ban account sales, even if you can’t prevent all of them. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect someone to check for plagiarism when they buy an account, or even know how to effectively check. This way if someone is banned for plagiarism the farmer did, there wouldn’t be an injustice because they should have been banned for using the purchased account anyway (or the purchased account should have been locked).
I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.
I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.
While I'm not opposed to account sales being banned. This line of thought might become peoples next attempt at a get out of Jail free card. Even if they were banned moving forward it wouldn't change where we are now in dealing with these past infractions. They bough the account and if they weren't going to do their part to ensure the reputation they were buying was clean they can deal with the consequences of it. See it can go both ways, they bough the account and rank for the benefits, they can deal with the negatives as well, I don't see an injustice here. Buyer beware and whatnot.
On that note, seeing as these appeals can be made to Moderators, they can admit to their account being a bought account without further repercussions, such as negative feedback depending on when it was purchased. In case they bought it after it became an unacceptable practice, as it's still allowed based on forum guidelines.
For some of these old timers that are getting banned I wonder if these people have bought these accounts that were farmed via spamming/copy and pasting? I doubt someone would forget that they've done this in the past, or maybe they're just playing dumb. It's very surprising how many users have done it and even more so for how long they got away with it.
I don’t think it would be difficult to generally tell if a person in good standing had purchased their account after the time of plagiarism.
I have lost good Hero and Legendary posters on my list because they copypasted something years ago and it seems they cannot join again for a year. Now im having a hard time picking up experienced posters.
I don't know why a Campaign Manager would hide under the cloak of anonymity to make a complaint/point by resulting to an alt account. It would be great if you posted with your main account as a CM so the forum can regard this issue as serious.Possibly, you're scared of getting a wedge?
Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
The banned members can still offer their Avatar spaces for rent once their 60 days ban is over. I don't think the signature ban affects that as I can still see their avatars on. 
Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
The question is, how come dudes with an outstanding reputation like them did plagiarism?
I’m more concerned about you being a manager if you think that copy pasta is acceptable. So what if it was years ago the cunts should of read the rules
Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
The question is, how come dudes with an outstanding reputation like them did plagiarism?About the signature campaign, I think this mass ban only remove a small percentage of participants. I doubt it will affect the forum's dynamic since managers could quickly get new campaign participants.
Not everyone starts out with an outstanding reputation. Some people obviously made a silly mistake a long time ago and some people can change their ways and become a productive member of the community. You could compare it to stealing a chocolate bar when you were a kid. Does that make you a thief for life and should it follow you around forever? Well if you keep on stealing then sure, but for others who change their ways and learn from their mistakes should be given a second chance.
For some of these old timers that are getting banned I wonder if these people have bought these accounts that were farmed via spamming/copy and pasting? I doubt someone would forget that they've done this in the past, or maybe they're just playing dumb. It's very surprising how many users have done it and even more so for how long they got away with it.
The question is, how come dudes with an outstanding reputation like them did plagiarism?
The posts they got banned for were probably written years ago at a time when the users were relatively inexperienced. The BT unofficial rules were written sometimes in 2014 and if I remember correctly there were cases where users got banned for posts in 2014/2015, Cellard is one of them i think.Probably a combination of different things that led to the copy/pasting.
Not knowing the rules.
Administration didn't put so much emphasise on plagiarism back in the time because it wasn't as wide spread as it is today.
Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
The question is, how come dudes with an outstanding reputation like them did plagiarism?About the signature campaign, I think this mass ban only remove a small percentage of participants. I doubt it will affect the forum's dynamic since managers could quickly get new campaign participants.
I said that the punishment is not fair if a temp-ban has also not been issued and it's just limited to signature ban. I was always for a temp ban and signature ban instead of a permanent ban if users have done this years ago and only once. The others who have been doing it in the past and even now deserve the perm-ban.
You should read the newest post of theymos on recent banwave. Which kind of alternative for permanent ban will be decided for specific cases after manually handle. It's not the same for all, even case got permanent ban without signature ban. It's the point, and means that we have very flexible alternative for permanent ban.Merely forgetting to quote things is not plagiarism, and if we read it that way, you probably won't be banned at all. For it to plagiarism, you have to have the intention of passing the text off as an original work by you. In all of these recent cases (unless we make a mistake, which is rare), it's extremely obvious in context that the person is copy/pasting to make money. Usually they're copy/pasting someone else's post and not adding anything else, in fact, which makes it very clear. Here's the most recent one:
All of the recent cases are ~exactly like this, since this is what the bot looks for. (Thank you to the bot designer!)
If at any point you had a mindset where you'd treat the forum like a dumping ground by worthlessly copy/pasting other people's posts in order to make a tiny amount of money, then my default reaction is GTFO, and you have quite an uphill battle to earn even a 2-year sigban instead. No warnings, no statute of limitations.
I know of one case where someone was banned for plagiarism in the recent massacre, but a very careful reading of the context showed that the person actually did just forget to quote, and by "quoting" the post they were expressing an actual point even if it constituted their entire post. This person was unbanned without any sigban, since this isn't plagiarism.
I really like how the project is developed, we hope to get very far and that.Everything goes well and the group of developers keep us posted on everything.
I really like how the project is developed, we hope to get very far and that.Everything goes well and the group of developers keep us posted on everything
All of the recent cases are ~exactly like this, since this is what the bot looks for. (Thank you to the bot designer!)
If at any point you had a mindset where you'd treat the forum like a dumping ground by worthlessly copy/pasting other people's posts in order to make a tiny amount of money, then my default reaction is GTFO, and you have quite an uphill battle to earn even a 2-year sigban instead. No warnings, no statute of limitations.
I know of one case where someone was banned for plagiarism in the recent massacre, but a very careful reading of the context showed that the person actually did just forget to quote, and by "quoting" the post they were expressing an actual point even if it constituted their entire post. This person was unbanned without any sigban, since this isn't plagiarism.
BPIP doesn't show temp bans.
Ok, did not know that.Modlog does not show temp bans and signature bans, so that is why BPIP does not show such information on temporary bans and signature bans.
Yes, it is fair because only good users, with good net-effects will have chance to get temp bans & signature bans as alternatives of permanent bans due to plagiarism. So, it's true that there are limited cases will get such chances because there are unsignificant users get good net-effects. Even they are good net-effective users, if they did plagiarsim from time to time, their chances will be reduced.
I said that the punishment is not fair if a temp-ban has also not been issued and it's just limited to signature ban. I was always for a temp ban and signature ban instead of a permanent ban if users have done this years ago and only once. The others who have been doing it in the past and even now deserve the perm-ban.
BPIP doesn't show temp bans.
Modlog does not show temp bans and signature bans, so that is why BPIP does not show such information on temporary bans and signature bans.Yes, it is fair because only good users, with good net-effects will have chance to get temp bans & signature bans as alternatives of permanent bans due to plagiarism. So, it's true that there are limited cases will get such chances because there are unsignificant users get good net-effects. Even they are good net-effective users, if they did plagiarsim from time to time, their chances will be reduced.
But he has not got a 60 days ban as per BPIP like others so it seems now only signature bans are being issued for members who have proved themselves? It seems unfair if we are considering the same crime and the punishment is different for all members.
But he has not got a 60 days ban as per BPIP like others so it seems now only signature bans are being issued for members who have proved themselves? It seems unfair if we are considering the same crime and the punishment is different for all members.
But he has not got a 60 days ban as per BPIP like others so it seems now only signature bans are being issued for members who have proved themselves? It seems unfair if we are considering the same crime and the punishment is different for all members.
BPIP doesn't show temp bans.
I don't know the user Cellard but I didn't expect that even bill gator will be banned too (unless this is fake). He is very active in this section and I remember his thread that he will give sMerits. Now nobody is exempted. Anybody who did break the rules even it is 5-6 years ago will be banned 
It's not fake, he is banned. I have seen in one of the threads listing the recent ban appeal and the result. Later, I have had checked his profile too.Check his profile- https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bill-gator-370611
But he has not got a 60 days ban as per BPIP like others so it seems now only signature bans are being issued for members who have proved themselves? It seems unfair if we are considering the same crime and the punishment is different for all members.
I don't know the user Cellard but I didn't expect that even bill gator will be banned too (unless this is fake). He is very active in this section and I remember his thread that he will give sMerits. Now nobody is exempted. Anybody who did break the rules even it is 5-6 years ago will be banned
It's not fake, he is banned. I have seen in one of the threads listing the recent ban appeal and the result. Later, I have had checked his profile too.Check his profile- https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bill-gator-370611
Cellard was a great member of this forum, I'm not certain if he was promoting any of the project. Another user bill gator is too banned till 2021, he was promoting Chipmixer. These are only signature ban.
I don't know the user Cellard but I didn't expect that even bill gator will be banned too (unless this is fake). He is very active in this section and I remember his thread that he will give sMerits. Now nobody is exempted. Anybody who did break the rules even it is 5-6 years ago will be banned Jump to: