Topic: Appeal to Sig-Campaign Managers to Exclude "Meta" & "Politics & Society" - page 2. (Read 3372 times)

If I may.

IMHO you should contact the campaign managers about this, first. If they ain't responding well, you can post here to get others' opinions.

When I read Quickseller's and hilariousandco's posts, I understood that excluding boards isn't a good idea. Like many suggested, managers should check posts of users before accepting their enrolment request or kick them if they are spamming.

A few things I like to know/suggested about Politics & Society:

Isn't a mod needed for this board? Is posting a "news" allowed? Recently, many people post news and a link.

@twister: Religious thread in Politics & Society is on-topic as religion can be included in "society" but such discussions most probably won't have an end.

It's you who seems to be labeling it as a place to talk nonsense, but it is not labeled as that at all. It's simply a section for all threads that don't fit into one of the others, it just so happens that talking about Movies/Music/Games goes in there as do the other spam threads. Making a constructive argument whether religion is good or not isn't nonsense. Nonsense posts are nonsense whatever forum they're in.


No, I get what you're trying to say but it doesn't make any sense.  You are quite clearly not getting what I'm saying. Off topic is for any discussion that doesn't fit into the other threads but who considers it 'worthless'? You? Campaign managers? Some just choose not to pay for posts in there but that doesn't make them worthless.


You can consider them what you want but you'd be wrong because they're not off-topic threads. They're threads discussing things related to politics and society so clearly go in there.


It's not paid for who? You? I get paid for posts in off-topic. I believe Luckybit pay for posts in off topic as do many others. Your gripe seems to be with campaign owners who they decide which sections they want to pay for. If it's not fair to not get paid for those posts in a certain section then choose a different campaign if you want to get paid for posts in off topic. Simple. End of discussion or make your case to the campaign managers or move this thread to Service Discussion where it belongs.

NO I never said that all posts in off-topic should be counted.

Don't throw words in my mouth man, as it is there is a confusion about the points I mentioned in this thread. Please don't take this elsewhere.


You're right, so maybe it should be taken on thread per thread basis. There are threads in Off-topics also which can be considered meaningful. So maybe off-topic shouldn't be banned also.

I may agree with you, but I think we cannot compare the off topic section with the Politics & Society or am I wrong? Or with the Meta section. He wants only that all the posts made in the off topic will count, but have you seen the threads in that section  ?

Arguing about religions pretty much will create an endless debate , this happens many time even on this forum . Each party will keep on pushing their religions towards the other using some facts about how good their religion are but some threads in politics and society is still okay imo

In that case, you should ask the maintainer (ndnhc) of the dadice signature campaign if he can include the 'off topic' section instead to ban the other ("Meta" & "Politics & Society"). Isn't it better?

Maybe it will be useful for person who follows a religion, to others who doesn't it would be useless. Same thing can be said about any interests. Me I like movies but to you, the discussion may feel not worthy.

So my point is either include other off-topic posts which are meaningful too or consider the politics as off-topic too. You can't say 1 is bad and the other is good. They're both interests.

Some people hate politics but they like Entertainment but can they discuss about it and get paid? No
So it seems like certain interests are paid for while others are not. As I said, Either include both or exclude both.

Basically the OP is saying that since Politics & Society isn't discussing bitcoins and is considered off topic, and since off topic board is excluded, the former section as well should be excluded. Others are arguing that till there is a meaningful discussion going on, the board shouldn't be excluded.

Off topic board is excluded as people usually don't have an interesting discussion there and mostly people tend to spam there by asking weird discussions while this isn't the case with Politics & Society. There are some who are making pointless posts there but they are actually having a discussion whether it's senseless to us or not. I basically don't like people abusing any religion but the fact is there people are having some kind of discussion (disregarding members who are posting off topic replies in those threads).


I believe that till a person isn't spamming, there should be no reason for the manager of a signature campaign to exclude a board. If the manager feels that his website/advertisement isn't being benefited by posts in a particular section, the manager is free to exclude a section but if people mainly spam a board (like it is the case with the off topic board), then it shouldn't be allowed and the off topic board needs to be moderated as to what topics are allowed and what aren't as then all will start making spam posts there. That board is also talking about Entertainment/Sports/Art and it's admin's wish to make a sub section on it (which I guess is not necessary as it's not about bitcoins) and if the member wants to discuss the movies there, they can as now also there is a thread on the movies you watched. Nobody is stopping them from doing so and if managers feel that if there is a serious discussion in the off topic board, I guess it might as well be included.

Argue about religions is more useful than talk about what kind of music do you like, or am I wrong?




This is the problem, everyone here think that if someone is wearing a sig ad is 'padding his post count' but this is not against the rules (if your posts are substantial and constructive). We should not generalize ....

How about instead of banning certain sections of forum in order to prevent spamming we impose on signature campaigns limit of posts participants can get paid for?
Something like forum rule that only weekly you can get paid for xx posts only, every post above that won't be counted. Is that good option to regulate this or not?

Thanks mate. Democracy Now is by far my favourite news site, they recently started accepting bitcoin:  http://www.democracynow.org/ways_to_donate/bitcoin 

Huge fan of Chomsky aswell, he's an intellectual powerhouse when it comes to politics.

It seems that it doesn't exist a real solution for the problem, because the solution is not 'ban some forum section'.  @hilariousandco, can I ask you what do you think about the signature campaigns? Ban or not?

I am asking that because I consider them as off-topic. Let me ask you this, where would a person who wants to discuss about Movies or Music post? in off-topic right? And that's not paid for because it is considered useless.

But people arguing whether a religion is right or not is meaningful and paid for? How can that be fair?

How can you say that a person's interests and his discussion on that matter is meaningful while others are not?

Either include both or exclude both.

this goes as well as my solution for this problem. By excluding some boards it will be like mitigating the spammers to another boards. In the end this will not stop the problem of the spam posts itself but rather move it. Best thing to do is the campaign manager need to be stricter and denied payment for everyone who did a shit posts whatsoever

I don't see your point. Why are you asking signature campaign managers to exclude posts made in the politics section? There is meaningful conversation there, probably more so then in many other sections.

I would repeat my solution to shit posts in the forum would be for campaign managers to do a better job of weeding out shit-posters.

Agree, someones' helpfull post in the excluded should not be exclude just because the board is being excluded for payment. Best thing to do for the campaign manager is to check on this personally. It is not a spam if someone give an answer to a question about what is a sign message in beginners boards, it is a spam when there are more than 2 same useless answer about that


Cheers

Thank you. Yes, that's exactly my point. If I love to talk about Movies/Music/Games and want to discuss something about those then why it is that it should be considered off-topic? (Because that's the only place I can discuss those)

And only people discussing about Politics & Society be considered meaningful.

If you're just going to label it as a place where people talk non-sense, then I can argue that people writing HUGE ass posts on why a religion is good or not is also non-sense and should be considered as off-topic.


No man, I did read, you're simply not getting the point.

Just tell me what is considered off-topic and what is considered as on-topic?

If I wanted to talk about Movies/Music, where would I post? In off-topic right? And no matter how meaningful the discussion there is, it will be considered as worthless.

But all the non-sense topics in Politics & Society are meaningful?

Are you reading what I'm writing? I've already argued against this and certain sections being paid and others not. It's you who's arguing for more subs to be barred from payment, so yes, how is one's interest considered on-topic while others off-topic? You're the one saying certain things are ok or not or right and wrong. And you're obsessed with the idea that off-topic = nobody should or does get paid for these because in your opinion they shouldn't therefore politics is also like off topic and also shouldn't be paid, but it is only certain campaigns that even deduct posts from off-topic, not a forum rule. You're clearly still looking at this from an angle of it's a universal rule that nobody gets paid for posting in off-topic when that just isn't the case, and like I've said multiple times it's not the sections but the posters that are the problem so pay for posts in off-topic or politics as long as they're relevant and constructive.

I don't think you understand what the "off-topic" section is for. It is for any discussion/topic that may be of interest to bitcoineers that do not fit elsewhere in the forum. If there is a thread anywhere in the forum and a post is not specifically discussing the OP in some way then that post is off topic and should be deleted.

The off-topic section is filled with shit threads like 'your favorite drink', 'how long you have been logged in', 'your favorite...'; IMO any thread (especially those in off-topic) that can easily be responded to by many people with just one sentence should be disallowed as there is not any actual conversation that takes place in these types of threads. There are however many threads in the Off-topic section that have good conversation. The off topic section needs to be seriously cleaned up.

If people are having meaningful conversation anywhere in the forum there is no valid reason to exclude posts that are being made as others will read such posts and potentially will respond. The question if an additional sub should be created is off topic.

Let me ask you this, it meaningful conversation is taking place in any part of the forum then why should posts not be paid for if a company is receiving advertising? Don't you think it would be a better solution to not pay for posts that just fill up space and are shit, regardless of where they are posted?

I agree with the Quickseller's idea, the signature campaign maintainers should accept only the valid users (check them with the last posts). We should remember also another thing, what is the problem : the post or the sig ad?