Topic: Appeal to Sig-Campaign Managers to Exclude "Meta" & "Politics & Society" - page 3. (Read 3372 times)

Not obsessed man, simply posting my opinion.

How is one's interest considered on-topic while others off-topic? Maybe you like Politics, other might like movies.

So the person talking about politics is right and is not making insubstantial posts and the person talking about movies is?

...in your opinion, which has been stated numerous times is not a solution to the problem at all.



Because there's likely no need or not enough demand for Entertainments & Arts so they're fine in Off-topic. Why are you so obsessed with getting subs labeled a certain way so they suddenly become worthy of payment or not? Simply calling a sub 'off topic' or creating another one doesn't mean Campaign Managers wont decide to pay for posts in there or not, and besides not all campaigns bar posts in off-topic. If someone was concerned about that they would just join a campaign that doesn't anyway.

Its a shame because politics & society kicks arse!, probably my favourite forum on here with gambling. 

Great SIG now Shogdite... must say not many people Chomsky / Democracy Now it in these forums.

Well that was just an ex. but many posts can be made on other topics which are not politics & society but are about movies, games, music, arts , food and there can be some people who have good knowledge/interest in those and they can discuss about them in long sentences.

So either we call politics & society also an off-topic or we give others another board to discuss all the above and they can discuss about them and get paid for it?

Well I think it is relevant to the problem because I feel that Politics & Society does falls into Off-topic and the discussions taking place in that board shouldn't be counted towards paid post.

So if talking about politics is counted for, why not Entertainment & Arts? I am sure there are Movie/Music/Arts/Games lovers on this forum who have to make their discussions in the Off-topic board. They would love to get paid for them if there was another board for it.

If that's too much than Politics & Society should be considered as Off-topic also and posts/discussions made there shouldn't be counted.

Yeah, why not? I don't post shit in spam threads in off-topic as do many others. Off-topic or any other sub forums are not the problem, poor quality posters are. If someone wants to write a 400 word essay on why Miley Cyrus is a whore or not why not let them get paid for that? However, if someone wants to just write 'yes she's a whore' then those people are the problem.

Wait a minute. That isn't relevant to this problem. If you feel like there should be more sections or some restructuring effort then you might as well suggest it in meta.
One could argue that there aren't enough threads that would fall into that subforum. That's probably why we don't have one. Besides, this is supposed to be a forum about Bitcoin. We should be glad that we already have the sections that we have. Technically they should all fall into off-topic. Anyhow that's a different issue.

The issue are the spammers. Luckily ndnhc and marco are willing to cooperate. What about the other campaigns? I'm not sure how many people are in them but I'm sure that it would still make a difference.

If you're going to allow discussions on any topics, then why not allow off-topic discussions too:


I believe these are also discussions of some sort, so let's include them too? If you call these off-topics then Politics & Society fall right into that.

Or let's make another board called "Entertainment & Arts" Because some people might not be interested in Politics & Society but they'd love to discuss and get paid talking about whether "Miley Cyrus is a whore or not?"

I agree with cracking down on the spammers, and not the sections. I have noticed that meta is very active lately and also a lot of "kicking the tires" in many sales threads. We should make a rule against people who always post the same crap with no intention of buying. "do you accept escrow" "can you upload a picture" - They do not want the item just some free posts for pay. I guess I should start reporting this sort of stuff rather than just complaining too  

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Or even better...maybe we should make a public spammer/shame thread where people post names and links of obvious sig spammers?

This has pretty much been addressed by hilarious already but this is what I wrote on the thread regarding the same proposal in the newbie section.

Excluding certain sections is not going to do anything to stop spam and shit posts, it is only going to move them elsewhere. We will see more threads with people asking stupid questions and then people getting stupid answers. The solution is to better screen participants and once they are in to deal with shit posts by warning and potentially remove people who are morons.

Both sections also need more active moderators to keep the sections clean.

Just left the dadice campaign as they've stop counting post on politics & beginners (where I mostly post). I respect their decision though, there are a lot of rehashed comments saying the same thing over and over again on the beginners board.

How many 'How to earn bitcoin' threads do we really need?

This is where hilariousandco has a point. Spammers should be cracked down on a individual basis. Someone could even hold a list of people who got booted in a thread so that other signature campaigns reject them. Why punish everyone else by excluding those sections if a few people are abusing it? Although it is already happening, soon DA DICE and Bit-x will both exclude some sections.
You know how one can easily identify a spammer? They did not participate in such discussions in the past and now they're posting a lot of posts in the same thread. If one were to study behavioral changes (posting habits; not that hard) on a per member basis they could easily be identified.

A group of people are the sole reason for my departure from Bit-x after this term ends. They're everywhere and writing nonsense most of the time.

You could say that about any section or user. Are you not passionate about bitcoin or this forum? If you are than maybe you should remove your signature if you feel getting paid to post is such an issue. For the rest of us maybe we can continue to get paid a little for something we would do anyway. Certain sections are not the problem and neither are those who jost a lot of constructive posts. It's the users who post lots of rubbish regardless of section.


So what's the problem? Why would they 'get in trouble' for making constructive posts? They're not sneakily getting away with something here but for some reason you think they are. Should we ban Meta now because people get into discussions here? Bitcoin Discussion too? It happens all over the forum. That is what discussion forums are about.


Who said they are 'deliberately abusing' the campaigns in there? This is your opinion. At the moment your reasoning is people are making lots of posts in there therefore spam, which just isn't the case. So why is Politics such a big deal and is not ok but others are? You can argue your points over and over in any section. Are we abusing Meta now? No. We're engaging in a discussion and that's what happens in Politics.


No, they're not arguing for no reason, they're arguing their points. You're just seeing lots of discussion and blaming it on signatures but if that was true (which I don't believe it is) then your solution would do nothing but move those people on to different sections to do their 'arguing'.

If they really are passionate about discussing politics than it shouldn't matter to them if they're being paid or not. I am not saying block them from posting there.

And I didn't say they were spamming that section but just because they can keep making arguments like we are doing right now, and keep getting paid per post, they don't stop. And they know they won't get in trouble as they're simply discussing their views.

If they move to other sections, they can, I am not saying to stop anyone from posting anywhere but if you see some people deliberately abusing sig-campaigns by making a hell of posts in that section, it's not hard to understand that they're simply doing so to increase their post counts. Because the thing about politics is that one can keep arguing non-stop and if you don't like this now, wait until that section goes out of hand.

As anyone participating in sig-campaign will simply go to that section and start arguing for no-reason but to simply increase their post counts.

I was only thinking about closing this thread because I think this suggestion won't be liked by the posters who post obsessively in that section and might piss them off, if this rule gets applied to the campaign they're participating in.

And if that is allowed, then why not allow Off-Topic too?

Because how is this Question :  

Off-topic/Scientific proof that God exists?

any different from:

Politics & Society/Why do islam hates people?

In both the threads people are arguing over their viewpoints, if one is allowed to be paid than the other one should be too?

Which is why I say Politics & Society should also be considered off-topic and removed from sig campaigns paid boards.

Again, then if that's true those people will move somewhere else and spam there instead and that's why this isn't a solution.


Most of the time mods wont know info about bans either. We can't see people that are banned unless they've been explicitly mentioned by a global or admin who can. Users can normally make an educated guess why a person might have been banned if the person provides their account name though (sig/ref spam etc).



So you get opinions that you don't like and that means people are 'pissed off'. I think this is what's wrong with people complaining that Politics section should not be counted because people have differing opinions and argue them, yet some people cannot handle opposing viewpoints or when they argue them they suddenly become spammers. There's not much point opening a thread for discussion if you're going to close it as soon as people offer a different view or opinion.

But that's what I mean. I don't think (some of them) will get so actively involved in heated political discussions if they knew that they're not getting paid for it.


I didn't say that it's only for the Mods to reply but I still feel some questions are targeted at mods and maybe they should only reply. For ex. "Why was I banned?" Now a Mod/Admin can simply know the reason behind it and therefore it should be left for the Mod/Admin to answer it, rather than posting "Maybe" replies. Ex. "Maybe your posts weren't good enough, you shouldn't spam!". I don't think it's solving anything as the questioner still continues to wait for the Mods/Admins for the answer.

Then there are questions which are answered in first 2-3 replies but the thread continues to grow by same answers only phrased differently.

Mods can move this thread if they think this is the UN-appropriate board for it. In-fact I am thinking maybe I should close this thread as I seem to be pissing people off and I don't want to do that.

I agree that Meta and Politics & Society section should be excluded but I don't agree that Meta section is only for Mods to reply. Isn't this section open for all users to suggest or complain about this forum? All the questions might be for the Mods to answer but even forum members can give their opinion about the system and if they agree or disagree. I only don't prefer users replying on threads which read as  "Why was I banned?" And members behaving as self appointed Mods. These members don't even know who banned the user. Also, Scam Accusation section should be excluded in that case where it's a dispute between the buyer and seller.



This thread is about Signatures and shouldn't be in this Meta section.

I am upset about the discussion and accusations in those mentioned threads. The members are mostly non-sig ad members who accuse other religions and drag the matter while sig ad members keep entertaining their accusations and leading to a never ending argument. They have already dragged that ISIS case to over 15 pages with their arguments.


If you mean to say that I am upset with this thread, then sorry as you are wrong. I am not upset if all the sections of bitcointalk forum are excluded or even if the ad campaigns are stopped as I wasn't a member of these campaigns before Feb. In fact, yesterday I was only having a discussion on this topic with a Mod. I will be as happy as I was before but I don't want my freedom to be hampered by these campaigns. I want to post without any restrictions and if it means that I need to leave a campaign, I won't hesitate from doing that.

I know, but with your suggestion none of our posts would count so why let a few bad apples spoil it for everyone else? Campaign managers need to check their participants posts better and crack down on them instead rather than just discounting everyone's posts in entire subsections.


I don't think it has but once you discount it then a month later you'll be saying Bitcoin Discussion has become like Off-topic or whatever. People just seem to be getting annoyed by the fact that some people are making a lot of posts in there which will happen if you get into an argument or discussion. If people are engaging in heated political discussions and contributing their opinions on a subject (whether you agree with them or not) that doesn't mean they should be discounted or are spamming (unless they're making half-assed posts).


I know but it's not really a solution to the greater problem, it will just move the issue somewhere else. I'm sure you can agree it's not certain boards that are the problem but the actual shitposters who post in them. Deal with them instead rather than saying I can't get paid for posts in x subforum because of other people making low-quality posts.