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legendary
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January 10, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
CES interview with Josh from Butterfly Labs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUPniBo5UQ

Pay attention to the micro expression before saying that "shipping" products, looks down and pauses ...

Good catch.  He also stutters a bit at that point, while he talked pretty smoothly for the rest of the interview.

I don't think it means much though.  All I see is that he's embarrassed that they have yet to ship any of their products that he personally "honest abe" said they would be shipping in October.

I'd be embarrassed too.

If anything, I think it shows that he is not in fact soulless.
legendary
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January 10, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
If the chips haven't been paid for, and there really isn't enough money to get them finished, they'd be in a situation where...

...in a situation where they need a bailout!  Much like another vendor.

I'm getting an uneasy feeling about this.  What if all the ASICs end up in one set of hands?  A set of hands with very deep fiat pockets...
legendary
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January 10, 2013, 05:25:33 PM

Yes.  Full Custom is another step more difficult still.  On that chart I guess the risk would read "Very high".  Same for the NRE, and probably Development Span too.


Full Custom: This is similar to a Normal ASIC, except that you have the flexability to design down to the transistor level (or below). If you need to do analog design, super low power, super high performance, or anything that can't be done in a Normal ASIC, then this is the thing for you.

Pro's: This requires a very specialized set of talents to do properly. Performance is great.

Con's: Same con's as Normal ASIC, only more so. Odds of screwing something up is much higher.
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
January 10, 2013, 12:59:49 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought there was a difference between "Standard Cell" and "Full Custom"?

It's marginal.
With standard cell they use logic element libraries which are then made masks of. With full custom they build their own logic elements and transistors they basically work in the analogue domain.
It's kind of nonsensical to build a full custom asic unless you are doing something very special. Like mixed signal ICs, asynchronous logic and the sort. And there are even libraries who can work with that so...


However if some part of the layout is fixed, like those fpga conversion chips, or any other kind of structured asic, that is something different.
legendary
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January 10, 2013, 12:37:08 PM

I imagine they've blown through at least a million bux at this point in masksets alone.

This has been my concern as well. They went the risky route, and got burned maybe even twice. They might be in a situation where they need more orders to be able to pay the fab, hence the delays.

Quote from: SgtSpike link=topic=87934.msg1445403#msg1445403
Believe me, I'd be as skeptical as you are if BFL had not previously delivered good working products.  Absolutely NOTHING from them has shown me that they are operating any kind of con.  EVERYTHING points to them just having things go wrong in the design/production process.  I am not surprised that they delayed past their expected date - it was a "best case scenario" date.  Certainly, you are entitled to your opinion that they are a scam, but I have seen zero indicators of such that cannot also be representative of a small company experiencing a few setbacks.

I agree they don't appear to be intentionally trying to scam anyone, but they're inexperienced in ASIC design and have been reluctant to answer certain details. I think it's probable that things went wrong in a way they couldn't predict. And despite what Josh tells us about their "money in the bank" and "not using preorder funds" to fund NRE.. I'm almost certain that Josh has no access to their bank account or balance sheet. What worries me is that the man with the access to those might the one with a shady history. No one wants to break the bad news to everyone.. You saw what it did to Tom..

If the chips haven't been paid for, and there really isn't enough money to get them finished, they'd be in a situation where every delay and bad news causes more and more people to cancel, further deepening their deficit of funds to actually deliver those products... and you probably understand where that ends.

Good point.

source: http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/13550/fpga-prototyping-to-structured-asic-production-to-reduce-cost-risk-ttm.html
Pardon my ignorance, but I thought there was a difference between "Standard Cell" and "Full Custom"?
full member
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January 10, 2013, 12:02:46 PM

I imagine they've blown through at least a million bux at this point in masksets alone.

This has been my concern as well. They went the risky route, and got burned maybe even twice. They might be in a situation where they need more orders to be able to pay the fab, hence the delays.

Quote from: SgtSpike link=topic=87934.msg1445403#msg1445403
Believe me, I'd be as skeptical as you are if BFL had not previously delivered good working products.  Absolutely NOTHING from them has shown me that they are operating any kind of con.  EVERYTHING points to them just having things go wrong in the design/production process.  I am not surprised that they delayed past their expected date - it was a "best case scenario" date.  Certainly, you are entitled to your opinion that they are a scam, but I have seen zero indicators of such that cannot also be representative of a small company experiencing a few setbacks.

I agree they don't appear to be intentionally trying to scam anyone, but they're inexperienced in ASIC design and have been reluctant to answer certain details. I think it's probable that things went wrong in a way they couldn't predict. And despite what Josh tells us about their "money in the bank" and "not using preorder funds" to fund NRE.. I'm almost certain that Josh has no access to their bank account or balance sheet. What worries me is that the man with the access to those might the one with a shady history. No one wants to break the bad news to everyone.. You saw what it did to Tom..

If the chips haven't been paid for, and there really isn't enough money to get them finished, they'd be in a situation where every delay and bad news causes more and more people to cancel, further deepening their deficit of funds to actually deliver those products... and you probably understand where that ends.

Good point.

source: http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/13550/fpga-prototyping-to-structured-asic-production-to-reduce-cost-risk-ttm.html
hero member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 500
January 10, 2013, 11:20:29 AM
Interview with miners pre ordered BFL products

Turn subtitles on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERE4uiufqE

LMAO!!!!!!

BFL presented prototype at CES ... based on Nexus 7 phone ... It is awesome ... It works, I will be rich ...
...
Q: What did you invest?
A: I sold my kidney to order a Jalapeno ...


LOL.

lucif, thanks so much man! My whole family is ROFL ...

[EDIT] I wonder if SLoK finds this funny too. He is Dutch and understands what they are saying (plus he loves BFL).
hero member
Activity: 560
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January 10, 2013, 10:17:49 AM

I imagine they've blown through at least a million bux at this point in masksets alone.

This has been my concern as well. They went the risky route, and got burned maybe even twice. They might be in a situation where they need more orders to be able to pay the fab, hence the delays.

Quote from: SgtSpike link=topic=87934.msg1445403#msg1445403
Believe me, I'd be as skeptical as you are if BFL had not previously delivered good working products.  Absolutely NOTHING from them has shown me that they are operating any kind of con.  EVERYTHING points to them just having things go wrong in the design/production process.  I am not surprised that they delayed past their expected date - it was a "best case scenario" date.  Certainly, you are entitled to your opinion that they are a scam, but I have seen zero indicators of such that cannot also be representative of a small company experiencing a few setbacks.

I agree they don't appear to be intentionally trying to scam anyone, but they're inexperienced in ASIC design and have been reluctant to answer certain details. I think it's probable that things went wrong in a way they couldn't predict. And despite what Josh tells us about their "money in the bank" and "not using preorder funds" to fund NRE.. I'm almost certain that Josh has no access to their bank account or balance sheet. What worries me is that the man with the access to those might the one with a shady history. No one wants to break the bad news to everyone.. You saw what it did to Tom..

If the chips haven't been paid for, and there really isn't enough money to get them finished, they'd be in a situation where every delay and bad news causes more and more people to cancel, further deepening their deficit of funds to actually deliver those products... and you probably understand where that ends.
legendary
Activity: 1918
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
January 10, 2013, 10:06:37 AM
Interview with miners pre ordered BFL products

Turn subtitles on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERE4uiufqE

ROFLMMFAAO! Caution: Don't watch video while smoke a psy-type cigar as I did. I'm still fuckin' chokin'.

I was made aware of this video a couple years back and already had it in mind to spoof it someday. Never occurred to be to use the subtitle option though. Great idea!
donator
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Poor impulse control.
January 10, 2013, 09:37:17 AM
Some people here are to dumb to read. Or simply retarded.

Some people here are very confused. How can one be "to dumb to" "simply retarded"?


"Some people here are to dumb to read. Or [some people here] are simply retarded."

The "or" refers to the subject of the previous sentence. For example:

"I misinterpreted this sentence. Or maybe this one".

You're dramatically oversimplifying the situation! Recursion, recursion, recursion! "Too dumb to read" is a subject, but read is itself a subject of that fragment.

"Some people are too dumb to spot a troll. Or counter-troll."

You are of course correct. Many phrases can be interpreted to have different meanings. I did not mean to imply your interpretation was invalid, simply that it was not the appropriate interpretation of the phrase you quoted.

"Some people are too dumb to spot a troll. Or a counter-troll."



full member
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January 10, 2013, 09:23:45 AM
Some people here are to dumb to read. Or simply retarded.

Some people here are very confused. How can one be "to dumb to" "simply retarded"?


"Some people here are to dumb to read. Or [some people here] are simply retarded."

The "or" refers to the subject of the previous sentence. For example:

"I misinterpreted this sentence. Or maybe this one".

You're dramatically oversimplifying the situation! Recursion, recursion, recursion! "Too dumb to read" is a subject, but read is itself a subject of that fragment.

"Some people are too dumb to spot a troll. Or counter-troll."
legendary
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Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
legendary
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Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
January 10, 2013, 08:19:49 AM
Interview with miners pre ordered BFL products

Turn subtitles on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERE4uiufqE

"So you took credit to make pre-order?" HAHA HIHI HOHO Grin

EDIT: clever business model. if I need a loan to start a business I promise a product and take pre-orders until the product is ready or not. the risk of the business is always at my customers and if it fails my ass is save.
hero member
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January 10, 2013, 08:00:39 AM
Interview with miners pre ordered BFL products

Turn subtitles on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERE4uiufqE

HILARIOUS!!!

What is the original show?
sr. member
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Clown prophet
January 10, 2013, 07:50:23 AM
Interview with miners pre ordered BFL products

Turn subtitles on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERE4uiufqE
legendary
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January 10, 2013, 07:12:34 AM
haha, kindergarten again!! no facts just war... nice!  Roll Eyes
donator
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Poor impulse control.
January 10, 2013, 06:57:19 AM
Some people here are to dumb to read. Or simply retarded.

Some people here are very confused. How can one be "to dumb to" "simply retarded"?


"Some people here are to dumb to read. Or [some people here] are simply retarded."

The "or" refers to the subject of the previous sentence. For example:

"I misinterpreted this sentence. Or maybe this one".
legendary
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January 10, 2013, 05:21:30 AM
Holy crap Frizz,your fadein fast bro,pick up the pace!!!!!!!!  Cheesy

hero member
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January 10, 2013, 05:10:03 AM
I'm beginning to think that you have some sort of ass-obsession.

You begin to think? That's one step forward ...  Grin
full member
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January 10, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
So they show up at CES without a single working device. Not even a Jalapeno -> not even one working ASIC chip.

Um, you never produce "one" ASIC chip. If they had one, they would have thousands, and they would have already shipped.

I never said ASICs are produced by the piece.

You said "not even one". This implies that there are situations where you would expect them to have only one working chip. You should have said "not even a prototype batch" if that is what you meant.

No, I said "So they show up at CES without a single working device. ...". How does this imply their fab has produced only one working chip?!?!

There might be tons of ASICS - but at CES they showed none. That's all I said.

No. Check the bold text.

Some people here are to dumb to read. Or simply retarded.

Some people here are very confused. How can one be "to dumb to" "simply retarded"?

You can imply this up your ass.

I'm beginning to think that you have some sort of ass-obsession.
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