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legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
January 09, 2013, 02:56:36 PM
Mining is not as download an android app and give mining. As much as I want to sell well.
Did you miss writing a few words, or something?   Huh
aTg
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
January 09, 2013, 02:37:51 PM

It could be argued that they also care about features and ease-of-use.  Many people do not know SSH, do not want to learn it, and would much rather have a "self contained" device with built-in display that tells them if anything's gone wrong.

I do agree that I'd be worried about the longevity of such a setup, and whether it would run reliably for months on end without requiring human intervention.  However, BFL must believe that the tradeoff for that potentially questionable reliability is worth the feature set it offers.

An alternate hypothesis is that BFL may recognize that this is a more effective strategy to rope in the simpletons who would be likely to send them 'pre-order' funds without any tangible evidence that BFL will ever be delivering anything.  People who don't want to 'learn ssh' are likely a super-set of the 'have money, will send to strangers' group.



Exactly, if you want to make available to tablet users rather than computer users, it is because they seek to dupe suckers ... Mining is not as download an android app and give mining. As much as I want to sell well.
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
January 09, 2013, 02:34:40 PM

It could be argued that they also care about features and ease-of-use.  Many people do not know SSH, do not want to learn it, and would much rather have a "self contained" device with built-in display that tells them if anything's gone wrong.

I do agree that I'd be worried about the longevity of such a setup, and whether it would run reliably for months on end without requiring human intervention.  However, BFL must believe that the tradeoff for that potentially questionable reliability is worth the feature set it offers.

An alternate hypothesis is that BFL may recognize that this is a more effective strategy to rope in the simpletons who would be likely to send them 'pre-order' funds without any tangible evidence that BFL will ever be delivering anything.  People who don't want to 'learn ssh' are likely a super-set of the 'have money, will send to strangers' group.
A valid hypothesis if you believe BFL hasn't given tangible evidence of future delivery.
legendary
Activity: 4690
Merit: 1276
January 09, 2013, 02:26:02 PM

It could be argued that they also care about features and ease-of-use.  Many people do not know SSH, do not want to learn it, and would much rather have a "self contained" device with built-in display that tells them if anything's gone wrong.

I do agree that I'd be worried about the longevity of such a setup, and whether it would run reliably for months on end without requiring human intervention.  However, BFL must believe that the tradeoff for that potentially questionable reliability is worth the feature set it offers.

An alternate hypothesis is that BFL may recognize that this is a more effective strategy to rope in the simpletons who would be likely to send them 'pre-order' funds without any tangible evidence that BFL will ever be delivering anything.  People who don't want to 'learn ssh' are likely a super-set of the 'have money, will send to strangers' group.

legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
January 09, 2013, 02:13:20 PM
also known as Nexus7 in a BoxTM
1) Cut a hole in a box.
2) Put  your junk in the box.
3) Make her open the box.
And that's the way we do it!

You know it's CES and my wallet is open wide
Gonna show you something so you know what's on my mind
A gift real special, so take off the top
Take a look inside -- it's Nexus in a box
Not gonna get you a mining rig
That sort of gift don't mean anything

See I'm wise enough to know
When an ASIC needs shippin',
and I'll send just the one
Overnight to you, ya all those Jalapenos.
To all the Singles out there with upgrades to replace,
It's easy to mine follow these steps:

Christmas, Nexus in a box
Hanukkah, Nexus in a box
Kwanzaa, Nexus in a box
Every single holiday Nexus in a box.
Over at your parents' house, Nexus in a box
Mid-day at the grocery store, Nexus in a box
Backstage at the CMA's, Nexus in a box
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
January 09, 2013, 02:07:04 PM
also known as Nexus7 in a BoxTM
1) Cut a hole in a box.
2) Put  your junk in the box.
3) Make her open the box.
And that's the way we do it!

You know it's CES and my wallet is open wide
Gonna show you something so you know what's on my mind
A gift real special, so take off the top
Take a look inside -- it's Nexus in a box
Not gonna get you a mining rig
That sort of gift don't mean anything



What is clear is that this company seeks above all the aesthetics of its products, and that alone does not give me much confidence.
If you wanted to add a host on minirig (which should be cast from the first day) was more practical to include something like a RaspberryPi or similar accessible via ssh but is easier to put a mobile phone embedded with nice graphics and touch screen, leave that pileup running 24/7 for months to see what happens ...
It could be argued that they also care about features and ease-of-use.  Many people do not know SSH, do not want to learn it, and would much rather have a "self contained" device with built-in display that tells them if anything's gone wrong.

I do agree that I'd be worried about the longevity of such a setup, and whether it would run reliably for months on end without requiring human intervention.  However, BFL must believe that the tradeoff for that potentially questionable reliability is worth the feature set it offers.
aTg
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
January 09, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
also known as Nexus7 in a BoxTM
1) Cut a hole in a box.
2) Put  your junk in the box.
3) Make her open the box.
And that's the way we do it!

You know it's CES and my wallet is open wide
Gonna show you something so you know what's on my mind
A gift real special, so take off the top
Take a look inside -- it's Nexus in a box
Not gonna get you a mining rig
That sort of gift don't mean anything



What is clear is that this company seeks above all the aesthetics of its products, and that alone does not give me much confidence.
If you wanted to add a host on minirig (which should be cast from the first day) was more practical to include something like a RaspberryPi or similar accessible via ssh but is easier to put a mobile phone embedded with nice graphics and touch screen, leave that pileup running 24/7 for months to see what happens ...


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I forgot, some silicone too.

hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009
January 09, 2013, 01:10:51 PM
also known as Nexus7 in a BoxTM
1) Cut a hole in a box.
2) Put  your junk in the box.
3) Make her open the box.
And that's the way we do it!

You know it's CES and my wallet is open wide
Gonna show you something so you know what's on my mind
A gift real special, so take off the top
Take a look inside -- it's Nexus in a box
Not gonna get you a mining rig
That sort of gift don't mean anything

legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
January 09, 2013, 12:40:22 PM
also known as Nexus7 in a BoxTM
1) Cut a hole in a box.
2) Put  your junk in the box.
3) Make her open the box.
And that's the way we do it!
legendary
Activity: 4690
Merit: 1276
January 09, 2013, 12:37:26 PM
They claimed to have sent something to the FCC for certification
...
Or else they lied about the FCC.
Which is more plausible?

After all, this company does have a reputation to maintain.

I wonder if they do.  From my topical scanning of things, it seems that BFL found a stockpile of out-of-production FPGAs for their FPGA product line and screwed them together in some manner to get them out the door.  When that source dries up, they would not have very much to maintain.  They were almost perfectly positioned for a 'long con' in the ASIC scam-space, and my suspicion that that is what they did grows by the day.


Willing to bet on it?

I had been at one point, but the guy tried to turn things around so that rather than betting about whether BFL had been lying in order to suck in pre-order funds, he wanted to make it about some power consumption issue under some theory that that would prove that BFL has been diligently at work setting milestones in chip design.  Thread starts here if you are interested:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1439161

At this point I consider it to much of a hassle to dick around with bets like this.  But go ahead and throw out your terms if you are so inclined.

legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1006
January 09, 2013, 12:33:18 PM
Or else they lied about the FCC. Who knows?

they lied?

oh no, that never happens.

/s
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
January 09, 2013, 12:25:39 PM
They claimed to have sent something to the FCC for certification
...
Or else they lied about the FCC.
Which is more plausible?

After all, this company does have a reputation to maintain.

I wonder if they do.  From my topical scanning of things, it seems that BFL found a stockpile of out-of-production FPGAs for their FPGA product line and screwed them together in some manner to get them out the door.  When that source dries up, they would not have very much to maintain.  They were almost perfectly positioned for a 'long con' in the ASIC scam-space, and my suspicion that that is what they did grows by the day.


Willing to bet on it?
legendary
Activity: 4690
Merit: 1276
January 09, 2013, 12:24:06 PM
They claimed to have sent something to the FCC for certification
...
Or else they lied about the FCC.
Which is more plausible?

After all, this company does have a reputation to maintain.

I wonder if they do.  From my topical scanning of things, it seems that BFL found a stockpile of out-of-production FPGAs for their FPGA product line and screwed them together in some manner to get them out the door.  When that source dries up, they would not have very much to maintain.  They were almost perfectly positioned for a 'long con' in the ASIC scam-space, and my suspicion that that is what they did grows by the day.

hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009
January 09, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
also known as Nexus7 in a BoxTM
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
January 09, 2013, 12:16:46 PM
This means they never had a working prototype. Never. Not even today. Their power estimates, hashrate, etc. are in no way verified. They don't even know for sure if their chips are working at all. It's all based on simulation.

They claimed to have sent something to the FCC for certification, so that must have been their only working prototype. Or else they lied about the FCC. Who knows?

They don't have a prototype. The world would see it at CES: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUPniBo5UQ
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
January 09, 2013, 12:10:20 PM
They claimed to have sent something to the FCC for certification
...
Or else they lied about the FCC.
Which is more plausible?

After all, this company does have a reputation to maintain.
legendary
Activity: 3878
Merit: 1193
January 09, 2013, 12:05:02 PM
This means they never had a working prototype. Never. Not even today. Their power estimates, hashrate, etc. are in no way verified. They don't even know for sure if their chips are working at all. It's all based on simulation.

They claimed to have sent something to the FCC for certification, so that must have been their only working prototype. Or else they lied about the FCC. Who knows?
hero member
Activity: 1162
Merit: 500
January 09, 2013, 10:37:17 AM
So they show up at CES without a single working device. Not even a Jalapeno -> not even one working ASIC chip.

Um, you never produce "one" ASIC chip. If they had one, they would have thousands, and they would have already shipped.


You never do 50 wafers with a design where you actually don't know if it's working or not. If the chips are borked you'd lose some 100K USD!


hihi, you mean BFL possibly not produce a test wafer of it's ASIC design??

Where did I say that?

I simply said you don't do a full batch run with an unverified design.

I strongly assume BFL has done a test run. Or two. Or three. The fact that they still can't show a working product, or prototype, is kind of a worry ...
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
January 09, 2013, 09:54:03 AM
CES interview with Josh from Butterfly Labs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUPniBo5UQ

Pay attention to the micro expression before saying that "shipping" products, looks down and pauses ...

I had that feeling to ..... Smiley

But he has a hard job..money must be good too.. Couldn't imagine to go to an official Show without anything and all that crappy shady preorder backlog :/
 
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
January 09, 2013, 09:51:00 AM
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US consumer complaints https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en
Then go to your state Attorney General and File a compliant.

Note: If you do this and say something about expect the BFL kool aid crew to troll you and your ignore button to be the color of mine.

I Called most of this crap months ago, They are now Really close to having to comply with this

I personally can't do that cause:
1. I didn't order (yes I'm a troll)
2. I'm not us citizen (German)


Oh sry my English is rusty so I don't (seriously I'm German ....:d) understand what you try to imply with the ignore button?

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