We both win and lose, that's how it usually goes in gambling. I think no gambling game depends solely and exclusively on luck or skills, it's good to know how the game works and have at least some strategy in your head, but again without a little luck, it's hard to win at any gambling game.
I think each of us had nice wins playing in-house games, but no one wins all the time, so each of us has experienced heavy losses as well. Playing with high stakes can be dangerous, and long-losing streaks can appear at any moment. Anyway, we can't know if we will win if don't try it.
Good luck to all players.
Topic: Are any of you guys are winning with probably fair games? - page 3. (Read 472 times)
In my view the provably fair are kind of games which depend solely on skills rather than on luck.
It depends on luck and not skills. If a game is a provably fair game, it means the casino is not manipulating with the game except the house edge. It has a way some gamblers can know the fairness of a game.Casino is not the only place to game. As a mater of fact you can play at any place, for instance in someone house, in his narrow circle, thus withing that circle the game should be such a kind, that could exclude manipulation by its own nature. Chess could be an example of such game. That is what I meant to say.
Basically both probably and provably fair games does exist although the most popular one is the provably fair game. Provably fair games are games which can be verified, means that we can verify the result so there is no way for the house to control the result as they wish. Probably fair games, on the other side, it is game where there is no way for players to verify the result. Does it mean that probably fair game is bad, of course not because it will depend on the house.
It is called provably fair game. Take it or you leave it. Edit: In addition, I have not heard of probably fair game before. There is nothing called probably fair game.In my view the provably fair are kind of games which depend solely on skills rather than on luck.
It depends on luck and not skills. If a game is a provably fair game, it means the casino is not manipulating with the game except the house edge. It has a way some gamblers can know the fairness of a game. I'm currently searching for probably fair games and how they work. Are you guys playing this? If so, which games do you recommend?
Probably fair games, do they depend solely and exclusively on luck or on skills too?
Probably fair games, do they depend solely and exclusively on luck or on skills too?
In my view the provably fair are kind of games which depend solely on skills rather than on luck.
Probably the chess could be considered as one of the available instances of such games.
I'm plaing sometimes for keeps with few participants, putting on the line not too much, twenty or fifty, to the end that my chess skills were not go off.
As for “honest” games, it is hardly worth it to focus on them. Of course, games should be honest. But when there is a conversation about honesty, it always means possible fraud. For example, in the game Dais, players are often suspected of online casino of fraud. Players say that casino uses fraudulent programs to increase its chances of winning. Although in fact, when it comes to absolutely random games, the casino does not make sense to deceive. The player will still lose, because in any random game the chances are not on his side.
It is called provably fair games, not probably fair games.
Provably fair games means the games that can be proved of no cheating or manipulation. You can see such games on reputed casino sites.
But do not forget that no matter how provably fair casino games are, they are designed in a way the casino will earn more money from gamblers. Gamble responsibly with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.
I had such a hard time understanding what this thread was about when I saw the title, until you pointed it out. Perhaps the OP should also edit the title because it's confusing. Most casinos claim that their games are provably fair, but the truth is that due to the house edge, the scale is always tipping in favor of the casino, their business model is set up that way in order for them to be profitable. That's why it's extremely important to gamble responsibly, because the chances are never exactly 50/50, but slighly off at our expense.Provably fair games means the games that can be proved of no cheating or manipulation. You can see such games on reputed casino sites.
But do not forget that no matter how provably fair casino games are, they are designed in a way the casino will earn more money from gamblers. Gamble responsibly with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.
Basically both probably and provably fair games does exist although the most popular one is the provably fair game. Provably fair games are games which can be verified, means that we can verify the result so there is no way for the house to control the result as they wish. Probably fair games, on the other side, it is game where there is no way for players to verify the result. Does it mean that probably fair game is bad, of course not because it will depend on the house.
It is called provably fair games, not probably fair games.
Provably fair games means the games that can be proved of no cheating or manipulation. You can see such games on reputed casino sites.
But do not forget that no matter how provably fair casino games are, they are designed in a way the casino will earn more money from gamblers. Gamble responsibly with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.
I had such a hard time understanding what this thread was about when I saw the title, until you pointed it out. Perhaps the OP should also edit the title because it's confusing. Most casinos claim that their games are provably fair, but the truth is that due to the house edge, the scale is always tipping in favor of the casino, their business model is set up that way in order for them to be profitable. That's why it's extremely important to gamble responsibly, because the chances are never exactly 50/50, but slighly off at our expense. Provably fair games means the games that can be proved of no cheating or manipulation. You can see such games on reputed casino sites.
But do not forget that no matter how provably fair casino games are, they are designed in a way the casino will earn more money from gamblers. Gamble responsibly with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.
...So what is the skill in what you know how to do but you are losing money or coins to casinos. That literarily means the person is not skillful at it.
That you lose money to a casino in a skill-based game does not always mean that you are not skilled at it; what it can mean too is that you are not skilled enough to beat the casino. But because even the most skilled cannot boast of a consistent advantage over a casino whenever they play a skill-based game, the argument skill has some room for continuance. Skills in gambling will be more evident when it is a game played between players, where it is possible for the most skilled to win continuously, and the casino gets commissions for each game played by players. Casinos need to win too, which is why, regardless of your skill level, as long as it is a game against the house, you must lose at some point for them to win.
If you are gambling against each other and the casino is only providing the game just like Poker Player posted, that is skill based just like what he meant as in poker player.I find it hard to understand what you are saying here, as it seems to me you got all mixed you. When you play poker you play against other players and whether you win or lose, in the long run, depends mainly on your skill. But the casino makes money regardless of what you do, because it takes a commission on every pot (except the ones where you don't get to see the flop, usually).
My explanation are straight forward and you do not need to get it mixed up. You are right about this. I have not played poker before but I was just using it as an example just like roulette, blackjack, baccarat, dice and other casino games. But you should understand my point that if you are gambling against the house, it is not skill based as you are more prone to losses.
Although you are right but there are different types of poker, you will play Hold'em poker against the house. The first poker I had conversation in on this forum was Texas Hold'em on Stake.
It is not just your own take but that is how it is. Let us say you really know how to play poker but when it comes to you and casino, the casino is making money from you. So what is the skill in what you know how to do but you are losing money or coins to casinos. That literarily means the person is not skillful at it. The more someone spend in gambling, the more likely the person will lose. We should not misrepresent luck as skill.
I find it hard to understand what you are saying here, as it seems to me you got all mixed you. When you play poker you play against other players and whether you win or lose, in the long run, depends mainly on your skill. But the casino makes money regardless of what you do, because it takes a commission on every pot (except the ones where you don't get to see the flop, usually).
So, you are skilled at poker and you make money: the casino also makes money because it takes a commission on the pots.
You are not skilled and you lose money: the casino also wins because it takes commission from the pots.
In casino games it is a different story.
Well, the thing is, there are no such pair games. It's because gambling games require luck, but of course there's gambling games that will involve your skills, knowledge, and how you will outsmart your opponent. For me, card gambling games are the best option in order for you to secure major winnings. It's because card games can have luck, but with your skills and knowledge, you can pick the right move or whether to push through or not, like black jack, poker, and many more. Just avoid those games that are purely on luck, like slots, roulette, you know what I mean, and there are many more games out there that will be more thrilling if you can outsmart your opponent. I think you should search for those gambling games also that will be suitable for you, because for me cars gambling games is the best and more reasonable gambling games.
Whatever trick they use like "provably fair" games, we will still end up losing in the long run. 
Do keep that in mind. The house edge will be the one defeating us and you can bet that it will not be taken away or else there will be no online gambling business that is running.
I mean, think about it, if there's really a chance to make a profit out of gambling by playing long then I'd be ready to let my computer be awake 24/7 but that's not possible which is why we just depend on one lucky shot that would change everything and that includes getting back the money we lost and some profits.
Do keep that in mind. The house edge will be the one defeating us and you can bet that it will not be taken away or else there will be no online gambling business that is running. I mean, think about it, if there's really a chance to make a profit out of gambling by playing long then I'd be ready to let my computer be awake 24/7 but that's not possible which is why we just depend on one lucky shot that would change everything and that includes getting back the money we lost and some profits.
I don't care losing or winning so long as it's probably fair then I feel safer. Losing is more natural when gambling on sng game with a house edge. So while I of course enjoy winning more money overall, I won't be blaming the system behind the game. Of course if the outcomes are pre-determined the casino can't cheat on you by fumbling the odds each time you bet big.
Moreover it's also easy to think that provably fair isn't helping the player, but imagine the potential consequences playing on a non fair game. The casino could just make you lose when you are about to blow your balance on a risky bet and you'd have absolutely no way to prove it. Better safe than sorry really.
Moreover it's also easy to think that provably fair isn't helping the player, but imagine the potential consequences playing on a non fair game. The casino could just make you lose when you are about to blow your balance on a risky bet and you'd have absolutely no way to prove it. Better safe than sorry really.
I'm currently searching for probably fair games and how they work. Are you guys playing this? If so, which games do you recommend?
Probably fair games, do they depend solely and exclusively on luck or on skills too?
There is no fair game if you always think negatively about the casino or any game you play then you lose and feel that someone might have cheated to make us lose, sara think such thoughts must be eliminated first, if talking about games maybe you need to play skill-based games, because it will depend on how you play, so it will be said to be a fair game because everything depends on your ability. Probably fair games, do they depend solely and exclusively on luck or on skills too?
But if you are looking for a fair game on slot games, of course it will be very difficult to believe that slot games are fair because most of us must have lost, and or someone's experience and way of playing is different which allows victory and defeat faster, like me with the way I play at Gate Olympus feels that so far the game is very fair, while there are other people who say that Gate Olympus is never fair, then who should be believed in a situation like this, even though we are basically in the same casino.
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...So what is the skill in what you know how to do but you are losing money or coins to casinos. That literarily means the person is not skillful at it. Skills in gambling will be more evident when it is a game played between players, where it is possible for the most skilled to win continuously, and the casino gets commissions for each game played by players. Casinos need to win too, which is why, regardless of your skill level, as long as it is a game against the house, you must lose at some point for them to win.
Yes most of us do win but what probably fair means isn't what you think it means, the odds are still stacked against you and with a provably fair thing on a game, it just makes you see the odds or that you have a way of analyzing the odds and see that they weren't being fair. Kind of like making the games' codes like an open source so people can see that there's nothing there that's making you lose but the odds of the game. Most people do win but big wins are as rare as those games that's not provably fair.
But it’s still a good thing that if you chose to gamble, prefer on those kind of games where cheating is less likely to happen, so that there will be higher chances for you to profit somehow. Most especially if you gamble with luck on your side, as majority of gambling games are luck based, then you’ll definitely make it big even with your small funds.
What we should look for is whether the casino is fair and there is no cheating? Because this is the most important thing while for the game it is luck and the right owner will be the real winner the player cannot fight the casino house owner.I think all games are the same actually luck determines whether you will win or not, but look for a casino with a good reputation so you will not hesitate to play there, but don't think slot games, crashes, dice, plinko are fair with skills you can win of course this is not.
I'm currently searching for probably fair games and how they work. Are you guys playing this? If so, which games do you recommend?
Probably fair games, do they depend solely and exclusively on luck or on skills too?
Such games are highly luck dependent and cannot be regarded as such that is supposed to be really for fun and not to make money as making money based on luck doesn't make sense especially not with anything gambling related as it will most definitely not make sense as it should , just having fun with such game remains the best and if eventually you get to win one of the games then you assume it you were Lucky and see it to that.Probably fair games, do they depend solely and exclusively on luck or on skills too?
Gambling shouldn't be done with the sole purpose and aim to make money as that way may cost you a whole lot and if you are emotionally attached to the game, you may proceed to addiction without really knowing and thinking it's just still you loving the game.
I don't really get the whole skillful talk when it comes to gamblers because from what I gather and even with all my experience I don't actually believe that the word skillful have much importance when playing gambling be it any type of games well that's for my take and everyone can have their different opinions too for me I purely believe it's all luck base and probably with the experience you had gotten from previous session that can actually lead to your decision making when gambling.
It is not just your own take but that is how it is. Let us say you really know how to play blackjack but when it comes to you and casino, the casino is making money from you. So what is the skill in what you know how to do but you are losing money or coins to casinos. That literarily means the person is not skillful at it. The more someone spend in gambling, the more likely the person will lose. We should not misrepresent luck as skill.Right, still the loss is ours while the casino house is always the winner.
Exactly. 
It is called provably fair games, not probably fair games.
Provably fair games means the games that can be proved of no cheating or manipulation. You can see such games on reputed casino sites.
But do not forget that no matter how provably fair casino games are, they are designed in a way the casino will earn more money from gamblers. Gamble responsibly with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.
Right, still the loss is ours while the casino house is always the winner. But it’s still a good thing that if you chose to gamble, prefer on those kind of games where cheating is less likely to happen, so that there will be higher chances for you to profit somehow. Most especially if you gamble with luck on your side, as majority of gambling games are luck based, then you’ll definitely make it big even with your small funds. Provably fair games means the games that can be proved of no cheating or manipulation. You can see such games on reputed casino sites.
But do not forget that no matter how provably fair casino games are, they are designed in a way the casino will earn more money from gamblers. Gamble responsibly with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.
Back when freebitcoin still offer provably fair games (not sure if they still do I just stopped playing their games years ago) I would play their hi-lo game which is provably fair in all senses of the word. I would be able to bag a couple dollar’s worth of wins but eventually I’d lose it all either through a massive one-hit loss or through cumulative losses I incur over the course of my playtime. I feel like this is the sane case/situation for every other player who’s had a chance to play provably fair games, you win, you lose it all.
Given that setting, I could say I win games when I’m playing but at the same time I lose more than I gain so it’s not like I really win anything so to speak. But that’s okay. I don’t go gambling thinking I could make a living out of it anyway, let alone assume I could just win willy-nilly especially with games like that.
Given that setting, I could say I win games when I’m playing but at the same time I lose more than I gain so it’s not like I really win anything so to speak. But that’s okay. I don’t go gambling thinking I could make a living out of it anyway, let alone assume I could just win willy-nilly especially with games like that.
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