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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

This post deserves a good merit score because while we hustle every day and hope to live a life of fulfillment, it is good to reflect on our dealings, hence why upon reading through, I think that cryptocurrencies belong to its own government which may be as a new world order and that is why many current government are against it.

Still, with constant adoption by other countries and even them going as far as becoming Bitcoin capitalist by owning mining farms, introduction of Bitcoin paying ATMs that can accept cash to buy Bitcoin, I think many governments will come around to accept it or else face a financial revolution.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

Even without not answering the question you know the answer, going against the Government by investing in Bitcoin doesn't mean you are a bad citizen, who is the government, the government is people who are to take the responsibilities of the citizens but they don't, no one needs to wait for the government before eating, the government might be our leaders but they are not people who will decide how we are going to leave our lives.

If you look at some of our governments that don't want the citizens to do anything that concerns cryptocurrency they are the ones that steal public funds and convert them to Bitcoin and hide it, we have many graduates that don't have a job how did the government is going to take care of them, we can't be watching because of the government and die with hunger, so for me investing in Bitcoin doesn't mean you are a bad citizen.

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Quote from: SOKO-DEKE on November 10, 2024, 11:06:40 AM

The truth is that every country has its own laws that guide all citizens. Therefore, each country needs to consider the benefits of certain things before deciding to make them legal. For instance, with Bitcoin, I know it can be very helpful for the economy. However, due to a lack of understanding in some areas, certain countries may not fully grasp its benefits, which could be why it’s illegal in those places.As a citizen, you must follow the laws that govern you. If anyone goes against these laws, there are always consequences. So, if your country has made Bitcoin illegal, I advise you to avoid it to avoid punishment. However, if there’s a way to invest in Bitcoin without the government's knowledge, then I would suggest investing in it discreetly.

when it comes to Bitcoin every country has its regulations but no matter how they have decided to fight Bitcoin with regulations and policies they find it hard to stop people from investing and even with all these regulations I just feel they are overriding the people's interest because I won't have interest on a particular investment and the government is fighting me not to invest this shows that the only concern that the government is after is control and how they can make money.

and they always feel they are making the best decisions when it comes to making money. There is always heavy tax, which is one of the challenges that other countries are facing because the tax is becoming a problem for people to pay and sometimes even leads to harassment from the authorities just because they have failed to pay their tax. It is a punishable offense not to be able to pay your tax.

And back to the Bitcoin violation, the people who are investors in Bitcoin have not been arrested just because they are investing in Bitcoin so no matter what they want to do they can not do anything, investing is not a crime.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins.

The government is against bitcoin just because of their own selfish interests, and nothing more. The government doesn’t have any concrete reason for banning bitcoin, we all know the reason for them banning it, so I don’t care if I am violating that kind of law. The government wants to be in control of us, they never wanted anyone to have freedom. The government doesn’t have anything serious to say about bitcoin, all they do say is that bitcoin is used for illegal activities, but fiat currency is also used for it, so why are they not banning fiat currency, and they just after bitcoin?

One evidence that governments have to say about Bitcoin is that it is a decentralized system which means that governments are unable to impose control over it even if they wanted to. Besides, the government of any country has very limited scope to practice the tendency to levy tax on transaction fees. Bitcoin can be an important hedge for a country but governments are hesitant to align themselves with its regulatory regime. I also think that due to the decentralized system it is a bit difficult to identify the users and some users may do various illegal transactions through Bitcoin which may result in the government taking a strict rather than flexible stance on Bitcoin. But as the number of Bitcoin users and investors around the world continues to grow, governments should gradually become more mature about their stance.

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Quote from: PX-Z on November 10, 2024, 04:10:34 PM

Violators or not it's not for any government to decide. Countries who banned bitcoin are just afraid of it to take over their own currency in delusional way which will not happened to an open market, not corrupt and in dictator type of authority in any country. Instead of buying the statistics of criminals who go to bitcoin to hide, why not open their financial policy just like any big countries who accept bitcoin for what it is. Many people stick their eyes on bitcoin due to investments and its so many features — freedom of their financial use.

Oddly enough, civilians are required to always obey all rules and policies implemented by the government, but individuals within government circles deliberately and openly violate the rules. Corruption occurs everywhere, they also often practice nepotism. When the country considers Bitcoin as a commodity asset, there is nothing to be afraid of investing in Bitcoin because every transaction made by the Investor will be taxed. Indirectly, the government gets income from these taxes and this will be very beneficial for the country.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on November 10, 2024, 04:27:26 PM

This doesn't apply to me because the government in my country didn't ban bitcoin or in other words illegal. I wouldn't use the word violators if bitcoin is banned or illegal in a country but rather use what alastantiger explained which is civil disobedience where a person didn't follow the command or demand of the government.

It is more easy if Bitcoin is Legal Tender or Legal in your country but if it is Alegal or Illegal in your nation, you still can use it too. It's only up to you to be more knowledgeable, experienced in mastering your non custodial wallets, inputs and outputs use as well as other supporting tools for Privacy like Bitcoin Full Node, Tor for your transactions.

Generally you will have to be more carefully if Bitcoin is not yet Legal in your country.

Quote from: PX-Z on November 10, 2024, 04:10:34 PM

Violators or not it's not for any government to decide. Countries who banned bitcoin are just afraid of it to take over their own currency in delusional way which will not happened to an open market, not corrupt and in dictator type of authority in any country. Instead of buying the statistics of criminals who go to bitcoin to hide, why not open their financial policy just like any big countries who accept bitcoin for what it is. Many people stick their eyes on bitcoin due to investments and its so many features — freedom of their financial use.

Governments can decide your legality status because they have law and law enforcement tools and staffs in hands. How do government use their power to support, serve their citizens or attack against their citizens, it will depend on how that government is structured.

In your life, you mostly can not change how a government is structured and operated so you have to take care of yourself, your fund and privacy first.

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This doesn't apply to me because the government in my country didn't ban bitcoin or in other words illegal. I wouldn't use the word violators if bitcoin is banned or illegal in a country but rather use what alastantiger explained which is civil disobedience where a person didn't follow the command or demand of the government. Anyway, I don't think I ever read or heard someone said that he/she is a violator in their government since he/she did not obey the command which is not to use cryptocurrency in their country hence why cryptocurrency is banned in their country although they are doing it in secret since they may go to jail.

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Violators or not it's not for any government to decide. Countries who banned bitcoin are just afraid of it to take over their own currency in delusional way which will not happened to an open market, not corrupt and in dictator type of authority in any country. Instead of buying the statistics of criminals who go to bitcoin to hide, why not open their financial policy just like any big countries who accept bitcoin for what it is. Many people stick their eyes on bitcoin due to investments and its so many features — freedom of their financial use.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins.

The government is against bitcoin just because of their own selfish interests, and nothing more. The government doesn’t have any concrete reason for banning bitcoin, we all know the reason for them banning it, so I don’t care if I am violating that kind of law. The government wants to be in control of us, they never wanted anyone to have freedom. The government doesn’t have anything serious to say about bitcoin, all they do say is that bitcoin is used for illegal activities, but fiat currency is also used for it, so why are they not banning fiat currency, and they just after bitcoin?

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Quote from: Adams0001 on December 07, 2023, 09:13:46 AM

Bitcoin is a good investment that can change someone's life. If Bitcoin is illegal in your country does mean that it is illegal in all countries I am sure that even countries where the government did not expect Bitcoin are investing in it secretly and profiting from it. As for me I don't see anything wrong with it that you are a bad citizen, when you are looking for ways to generate income to help yourself and your family, Now if someone told you that you are breaking government rules and you will never invest in bitcoin again, or what are you trying to say, I believe we are in the same local board and you know how the country is and the economy is very hard everyone is looking for funds, and you invest in bitcoin and you are profiting and you are wondering if it is bad. Lips sealed

The truth is that every country has its own laws that guide all citizens. Therefore, each country needs to consider the benefits of certain things before deciding to make them legal. For instance, with Bitcoin, I know it can be very helpful for the economy. However, due to a lack of understanding in some areas, certain countries may not fully grasp its benefits, which could be why it’s illegal in those places.As a citizen, you must follow the laws that govern you. If anyone goes against these laws, there are always consequences. So, if your country has made Bitcoin illegal, I advise you to avoid it to avoid punishment. However, if there’s a way to invest in Bitcoin without the government's knowledge, then I would suggest investing in it discreetly.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

I don't consider myself a bad citizen for defying the government. Even though bitcoin is illegal in my country, I am earning bitcoin by trading bitcoin from my country and managing my life with my family. I am earning money working in Bitcoin I think I am playing an economic role in my country. I saved my life from unemployment if I don't work in bitcoin I will definitely be unemployed but I saved my life from unemployment by working in bitcoin forum and bitcoin so how can I disobey the government and claim as a bad citizen so I always consider I consider myself as a good citizen. There are many people like me who don't work in Bitcoin, they are unemployed, I rather defy the government and make a good living working in Bitcoin so I am a good efficient citizen for a country.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

...so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

It really depends on the law; its universally accepted that stealing is bad, Bitcoin is legal in one country and illegal in another so its not universally accepted that holding Bitcoin is bad; its just the government that makes it look that way.
I don't think you are committing a sin, but you are violating a law in your government that makes it bad for their citizens, so its on your discrepancy if you think that you are violating then don't hold if you believe on Bitcoin and you think you have future holding it, then go hold, just don't get caught holding, its for everyone's preferences there is no one rule.

Truly depends on the countries regulation if they allow or discourage their people to use bitcoin. If there's massive crackdown implemented and government says or declare that bitcoin is illegal then automatically you violate the law by using or acquiring it. Not following government order is actually a direct disobedience and you commit a sin on the government only.

But to become a bad citizen for that matter, I guess its not since for sure its never so bad to used bitcoin. Its just there are regulators didn't understand how to use it since maybe there's certain conflict of interest that they are protecting and they cannot take advantage with bitcoin to gain something that's why some of them discourage or totally ban this asset.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

Bitcoin has been know in different countries, I dont think that their's no civilised countries that doesn't know Bitcoin, Bitcoin is not legalized in so many countries, but people living in there knows about bitcoin, bitcoin is be known but doesn't be legalized at all course, in some countries bitcoin is been allowed to trade but also does not allowed to trade in some other countries,

I know quite well that government is against bitcoin right from time, but that doesn't me that anyone who is in another country will not purchase bitcoin, in a country the worst government can do is to restrict bitcoin but some major countries, I believe that bitcoin is here to stand since it having facing criticism every time from government.

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Quote from: Adams0001 on December 07, 2023, 09:13:46 AM

Bitcoin is a good investment that can change someone's life. If Bitcoin is illegal in your country does mean that it is illegal in all countries I am sure that even countries where the government did not expect Bitcoin are investing in it secretly and profiting from it. As for me I don't see anything wrong with it that you are a bad citizen, when you are looking for ways to generate income to help yourself and your family, Now if someone told you that you are breaking government rules and you will never invest in bitcoin again, or what are you trying to say, I believe we are in the same local board and you know how the country is and the economy is very hard everyone is looking for funds, and you invest in bitcoin and you are profiting and you are wondering if it is bad. Lips sealed

Bitcoin is a good investment truly and it as a lot of good factors because if you look at everything the moment you invest you don't even need to look for buyers everything is already installed for you how many business can will give you buyer automatically and that is the best thing that makes everything more interesting because the moment you starting sell the buyer becomes your priority but it is a good choice and you have to be able to develop a good business strategy.

And even about countries that have ban bitcoin don't do their citizens anything just because they invested in bitcoin, and the ban is jus to scare people because when did a source of income become a treat thay they have to jail people for it, and if you look at everything is it worth it I don't think so and the government understands what bitcoin stands in the life of people and even countries that they made it legal was because they were looking for ways just to extort money from people.

And everyone is already accepting it look like they don't have a choice kd at the end of the day even the government will have to allow it and even encourage people to actually invest, because why would you stop people from investing and no provision for jobs.

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Quote from: Adams0001 on December 07, 2023, 09:13:46 AM

Bitcoin is a good investment that can change someone's life. If Bitcoin is illegal in your country does mean that it is illegal in all countries I am sure that even countries where the government did not expect Bitcoin are investing in it secretly and profiting from it. As for me I don't see anything wrong with it that you are a bad citizen, when you are looking for ways to generate income to help yourself and your family, Now if someone told you that you are breaking government rules and you will never invest in bitcoin again, or what are you trying to say, I believe we are in the same local board and you know how the country is and the economy is very hard everyone is looking for funds, and you invest in bitcoin and you are profiting and you are wondering if it is bad. Lips sealed

Bitcoin is a good investment truly and it as a lot of good factors because if you look at everything the moment you invest you don't even need to look for buyers everything is already installed for you how many business can will give you buyer automatically and that is the best thing that makes everything more interesting because the moment you starting sell the buyer becomes your priority but it is a good choice and you have to be able to develop a good business strategy.

And even about countries that have ban bitcoin don't do their citizens anything just because they invested in bitcoin, and the ban is jus to scare people because when did a source of income become a treat thay they have to jail people for it, and if you look at everything is it worth it I don't think so and the government understands what bitcoin stands in the life of people and even countries that they made it legal was because they were looking for ways just to extort money from people.

And everyone is already accepting it look like they don't have a choice kd at the end of the day even the government will have to allow it and even encourage people to actually invest, because why would you stop people from investing and no provision for jobs.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

The essence of laws is to ensure a peaceful coexistence among the people of a particular region. It is to make sure that people do not cause harm to the next person as they enjoy whatever right they have. Hodling bitcoins or doing business with it does not in any way cause harm to the next person, except for some cases where they argue that bitcoin mining consumes alot of energy, but there is an alternative source of energy now, which makes the government's arguments weightless. What this means is that, the government is only being selfish for restricting the use of bitcoin because there is absolutely nothing to hold against bitcoin.

Not all government laws are justifiable, and I do not consider myself a violator of the law for using bitcoin. With time, the government will adjust and see what we all see in bitcoin.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

...so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

It really depends on the law; its universally accepted that stealing is bad, Bitcoin is legal in one country and illegal in another so its not universally accepted that holding Bitcoin is bad; its just the government that makes it look that way.
I don't think you are committing a sin, but you are violating a law in your government that makes it bad for their citizens, so its on your discrepancy if you think that you are violating then don't hold if you believe on Bitcoin and you think you have future holding it, then go hold, just don't get caught holding, its for everyone's preferences there is no one rule.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

Your question is very complex. It is very important to follow the laws and policies given by the government to maintain the peace and order of a country. Investing in bitcoins without authorization in a country is a violation of the government's laws. It is better to try to invest in a legal way than under the law.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

For the fact that you still find investors in those countries who are hold Bitcoin and still trading in the market, that's not a problem and until they are apprehended before it could be confirmed that they broke the rule. You can't stop investing in the Crypto market because the government ask us to stop transacting coins in the market. There are lots of profits to be made in the crypto market and the only way we can make thise profits is to invest or trade the crypto market.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on December 03, 2023, 02:54:00 PM

Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?

I don't see investors as violators because they only invest but not use it in an open market to make transactions or to make payments for services in their country, they only ceased an opportunity to grow their money and make good use of the opportunity, aswell for those who get paid in Bitcoin from their freelancing jobs would not go jobless because their country is yet to adopt Bitcoin whereby there are platforms where they can convert their coins in to Fiat and probably use in their local market if they wish to.

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