The government itself is breaking its own laws either, as if the government officials are not taking advantage of their positions so they can continue to protect their inside anomalies.
And who cares if bitcoin investors are considered violators, I guess no one will also admit that he is holding bitcoin so he can protect his own welfare as well. If the government officials are protecting theirselves so they won't be caught violating the laws, same goes for bitcoin investors. They will continue to access bitcoin privately without giving any hints to the government.
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Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
Violators? Has this country really guaranteed the welfare of its people and given them decent jobs? This must be what the governments that illegalize crypto think, assuming that cities are violating their laws. But meanwhile they have not been able to provide a decent life and facilities to their citizens. Hmm, this actually doesn't need to be answered. Because never mind, we ourselves go through it and we know our own condition.Could be not if we are not in those country which totally banned bitcoin. But if we are in country where bitcoin is highly forbidden then we can be called as violators since we ignore the law set by government to us and we continue to use it despite of the warnings they have release to the public. The only problem there is they can't find any solution regarding on job market since there are still so many jobless in the world. If government can find a solution regarding on this issue then maybe their people will not go to any risky option that they doesn't allow to access.
For now can't blame people to use bitcoin since from here we can find a lot of opportunities that can really give us a big break which can give us more decent payments compare to what those governments jobs they are trying to offer to some selected people.
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Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
From my understanding they (the government) didn't ban me from investing in Bitcoin. They banned its use in those countries but the people investing in Bitcoin aren't using it in the country so they're not violating any rules. Also how do you ban what you can't control and that's where the government are making a mistake. Lets look at it from a religious perspective as well. God gave command of not eating the forbidden fruit but he also gave the first Humans on earth the power of choice which is to choose between eating the fruit or not.
The government are there to guide her citizens but it's left for the citizens to adhere to the authority of the government or not. Investing in Bitcoin isn't causing any harm to the next citizen so I don't see a problem with investing in it even though my leaders put a ban on it. It's left for me to face the consequences of the ban which is a punishment made by the government of the country that I'm residing but I still don't see an issue with investing in Bitcoin. Using it in the country is another story all together because then I'll be violating the laws but nobody can tell me what to invest into or not , that's my decision to make.
Bitcoin violators aren't breaking any rules and if there's any rules preventing people individually from investing in Bitcoin then that's a stupid law and shouldn't be obeyed. How can someone prevent you from chasing after your financial freedom? Do they want you to be depending on them forever, I guess yes so they can keep controlling us, that's what the governments wants.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
I live in Bangladesh Bitcoin is illegal in my country. Now from the side of my country if I say many people in my country have made their life very independent by working in Bitcoin. Unemployment is highest in my country there are many educated youths who are not getting any good job after graduation if they can work in bitcoin for their livelihood and hope for a better future then I think we are not going against the government by working in bitcoin and in bitcoin. By working I am not accepting myself as a bad boy. Yes I may be a law breaker but I am never harming the law rather I am earning from it myself. If the people of my country don't eat a meal or two, the government doesn't come and provide them with food. If we can do our own work and get our own employment, then why are we bad boys if we work in Bitcoin?Religiously speaking Bitcoin has been accepted as halal. If bitcoin is halal then I am not committing any sin. 
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
When government says don't allow something doesn't mean is illegal, it could be that the government doesn't want to validate such thing yet and in that moment, it's is not legal and it is not illegal until the government makes an approval or proper announcement of such. So when you buy such thing and use it, you can not be punish by the law because you didn't violate any rule or law of the country.
Bitcoin is a digital assets that some countries are making money from, I believe even the one that are yet to make official statement about it's legality will do one day but the adoption need to grow in positive way to give good approach for it's approval. The government doesn't take it's eyes from taxes, and since bitcoin is taxable as an asset is one the reason why they have not ban it yet, they don't want to make bad decisions and try to later disapprove their decisions, so if your country hasn't said anything about the status, continue to use it but if it's illegal to use in your country, I will advice you to stop using it while in that country.
An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
do you think every law that the government have passed should be followed? Do you follow every law the government have passed? do you consider yourself a bad citizen for not following all the law the government have passed? the thing is, it doesn't make you a bad citizen if you do not follow certain laws, especially if the law you are breaking does not affect anyone in any way, including the religious side as well.Citizen should follow the law imposed by the government. Else there will be chaos everywhere. The government is established to give a standard set of rules so that a country will live in harmony but of course that will not always happen.
If a citizen does not want to follow the law of its country then that citizen is better to look for another country where his ideal fit in. Any one violating the government law is a bad citizen but it does not mean that that citizen is a bad person.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
Violators? Has this country really guaranteed the welfare of its people and given them decent jobs? This must be what the governments that illegalize crypto think, assuming that cities are violating their laws. But meanwhile they have not been able to provide a decent life and facilities to their citizens. Hmm, this actually doesn't need to be answered. Because never mind, we ourselves go through it and we know our own condition.I think it is not about the performance of the government but the implementation of the law by the government. The government performance can be discussed in another topic... and yeah we all know that most of the government officials overpromised but under delivered worst many are corrupt.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
Violators? Has this country really guaranteed the welfare of its people and given them decent jobs? This must be what the governments that illegalize crypto think, assuming that cities are violating their laws. But meanwhile they have not been able to provide a decent life and facilities to their citizens. Hmm, this actually doesn't need to be answered. Because never mind, we ourselves go through it and we know our own condition. 
so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
First of all, banning bitcoin is a big joke that is why countries tried and realized it is not possible to ban something that is not under control. The second is ban varies too, in some countries buying and selling bitcoins is illegal but owning them isn't so if the person can find a way to get bitcoins then still it is not against any laws.
If you can think like that, I don't think you're completely understand what Bitcoin is since the purpose is to against centralization which every country in this world don't like that and see it as a threat for them.
Life is a choice, you can become a "good citizen" by using their centralized product, store your wealth in strict, unsecure and prone to bankrupt centralized bank, paying ridiculous tax, having no freedom etc.
Life is a choice, you can become a "good citizen" by using their centralized product, store your wealth in strict, unsecure and prone to bankrupt centralized bank, paying ridiculous tax, having no freedom etc.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
Your question is against many users privacy and that's why you won't get a proper answer or whatsoever from a reputed member of the forum. There are many countries whose governments dislike Bitcoin but they haven't put any legal laws against it and the users from those countries can still invest in Bitcoin without any worries because if there isn't any legal law against something then it means the citizens can invest in it on their own risk.
I would say that the countries that have banned Bitcoin aren't well aware of the true advantages of Bitcoin. The citizens from those countries should be careful when investing in Bitcoin as if somehow government gets information about their investment then they can be in trouble. But, if they're secretly investing in Bitcoin without telling others or having complete privacy then they aren't doing any sin or crime. The governments change over time and they change their decisions over time.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
Bitcoin is a good investment that can change someone's life. If Bitcoin is illegal in your country does mean that it is illegal in all countries I am sure that even countries where the government did not expect Bitcoin are investing in it secretly and profiting from it. As for me I don't see anything wrong with it that you are a bad citizen, when you are looking for ways to generate income to help yourself and your family, Now if someone told you that you are breaking government rules and you will never invest in bitcoin again, or what are you trying to say, I believe we are in the same local board and you know how the country is and the economy is very hard everyone is looking for funds, and you invest in bitcoin and you are profiting and you are wondering if it is bad.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
If government makes bitcoin to be illegal I don't think one having bitcoin is committing a crime because their is nothing incriminating about bitcoin. The main reason any government would want to make bitcoin illegal is either because they can control it or they are scared because people will choose Bitcoin against fiat for savings and investment that can somehow affect the banking system. It is not a bad thing to invest bitcoin in a country where bitcoin is being restricted to citizens but because of the laws set by government people just need to apply wisdom to not fall as a prey to this law by the government. Even if the government hates bitcoin it can't stop people from investing in Bitcoin because people understand the benefits of having bitcoin.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
There are no laws that prohibit the investment of bitcoin because it is your own money and you can invest in whatever you wish though the government frowns against it. it is just that the government has not legally approved it usage because it is posing a threat against their monetary system and it will be of no benefit to them that is why they are trying to do everything possible so bitcoin does not succeed. If you are in support of a good cause then you are not doing the wrong thing in my opinion because we all know that the government has been taking advantage of us and we are being step on by them so we are doing this for the betterment of everyone. I don't see myself as a bad person because i am doing this for a greater cause and i know using bitcoin doesn’t have any effect on anybody.
And who says Government right about everything?
Back in the day when Governments looked at slave trade and slavery as something very normal. Would have imagined that they believe it was right and trying to resist slavery was a crime and punishable? Today, the historical resistors of slavery and looked at as heroes. Now, relate that to the use of Bitcoin today, and you will have the answer.
Being a ruling body doesn’t necessarily mean they are right on every decision they make, the slave trade scenario is a perfect example of some wrong things the government supports that are wrong in real sense but they actually purnished those that resist the movement back then. In a few years the outcome will be the same and those that were in support of bitcoin movement will also be seen as heroes. Governments are just scared of some of their benefits bitcoin will rule out when legalized so they fear the idea of decentralization and it is why they are fighting hard to keep everything centralized. Everyone wants freedom and it is what bitcoin has offered us so i don’t care what the government thinks i just want financial freedom. Back in the day when Governments looked at slave trade and slavery as something very normal. Would have imagined that they believe it was right and trying to resist slavery was a crime and punishable? Today, the historical resistors of slavery and looked at as heroes. Now, relate that to the use of Bitcoin today, and you will have the answer.
In my country the government does not prohibit people from investing in BTC, and I am very lucky to be in my beloved country so I can freely invest in BTC and I also pay taxes when I trade in crypto and it is deducted directly by the exchange. Of course the government program in my country is very good so investing in BTC or trading in crypto is of course no problem, but my government prohibits people from using crypto as a means of payment.
but op, I'm sorry I won't answer your question, and I'm forced to not answer it. Honestly, this is a difficult question to answer. Surely you also understand what I mean. and of course you have seen many answers from members of this forum.
but op, I'm sorry I won't answer your question, and I'm forced to not answer it. Honestly, this is a difficult question to answer. Surely you also understand what I mean. and of course you have seen many answers from members of this forum.
IMHO, in every country with that definition that you've said about Bitcoin investors there are other things that people are going against with their government. There are still some strict reinforcements from them but no matter what they do, there will be violators everywhere. Is this an important matter? Well, for me that it is not since I'm in a country that's so chill with things like related to Bitcoin but I don't know what may happen in the future. But this is a big concern for those that are found in those countries that are strict with the implementation of their rules against Bitcoin but I know that they can survive and know their thing and what must be done.
Obviously, laws are not made for bitcoin but certainly focus on fiat. So whatever you do transactions with bitcoin, that is always violating the law. But who cares actually if you secretly doing bitcoin transactions without other people's awareness. Bitcoin is decentralized and so we need to deal it with privacy and security, and the government has nothing to do with it provided that they are also not aware that you're into bitcoin.
Well, bitcoin investors only end up violating if the country does not legalized bitcoin investments and trading, but if they are open to that, then there's no violations that are made or done.
Well, bitcoin investors only end up violating if the country does not legalized bitcoin investments and trading, but if they are open to that, then there's no violations that are made or done.
An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government?
I am not a bad citizen for doing so; the government is aware of the truth but refuses to accept it. I don't mind if you call this a rebellion because we have discovered the truth about financial freedom and want to embrace and support it.
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Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law?
No, the people in power and the elites are the ones who break the law the most and are not punished for it. I don't see myself breaking the law by purchasing bitcoin with my own money after learning about the risks involved.
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Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
Bringing religion into this won’t help to solve your narrative of disobedience. Even religions value truth and transparency in all that we do. Isn't that what bitcoin is attempting to accomplish here? As a result, religion will rather support it than oppose it.
An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
do you think every law that the government have passed should be followed? Do you follow every law the government have passed? do you consider yourself a bad citizen for not following all the law the government have passed? the thing is, it doesn't make you a bad citizen if you do not follow certain laws, especially if the law you are breaking does not affect anyone in any way, including the religious side as well. 
Banning the use of bitcoin in some countries is illegal, but it does not constitute a crime. As far as I understand, it's just a limitation on legal issues, but banning someone from using bitcoin seems useless.
And going back to the issue of individuals feeling violated, I think that's not true. For me, trusting the government's management is not always perfect because there will still be things that cause harm and conflict among the people. And control will foster a violation of it, violating the law with what kind of behavior? I have heard of some stories of money laundering criminals, but that is a different threshold because if it weren't for bitcoin, they would still be criminals.
And going back to the issue of individuals feeling violated, I think that's not true. For me, trusting the government's management is not always perfect because there will still be things that cause harm and conflict among the people. And control will foster a violation of it, violating the law with what kind of behavior? I have heard of some stories of money laundering criminals, but that is a different threshold because if it weren't for bitcoin, they would still be criminals.
Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law?
I am not residing in your country and my country see Bitcoin as a mode of payment so basically my country sees Bitcoin as legal and does not see Bitcoin users as violators. So the answer to your question is subjective.
But in general, if the government announces that Bitcoin engagement is illegal, then any person who is engaging with Bitcoin whether discretely or openly is labeled as violator. Depending on the country's law, they will be punished if caught accordingly.
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Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?
In my country, there is a clear statement of separation of state and religion. As long as the person is not committing any act that go against the Holy Scriptures, then that person is not sinning. As far as I know buying Bitcoin and trading with it is not written as a sin in any Holy Scripture... and if you find a direct statement that tells that buying Bitcoin is a sin, then I would gladly stop engaging with Bitcoin activities.
The technology itself is not illegal, only the persons who are using it for illegal activities.
So we should not blame bitcoin or blockchain technology because of these fraudulent acts.
Just like fiat money, it is being used also to anything illegal. And the scammers are just finding another option to screw people.
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