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Quote from: ErebusBat on September 14, 2012, 04:51:06 PM

What if rarity and notme are both right?

What if the USA and China were allies in a global war? Feeding off of each other, using their best strengths? Could any other county hope to even stand against that?

It seems plausible, bearing in mind the USA have been handing over its manufacturing and technical knowledge to China for decades. I find it hard to believe that this would be just a free market accident. However, China and Russia seem ideologically more closely aligned with their Communist-flavoured authoritarianism.

Also, I'm extremely concerned about China stepping up its rhetoric against Japan (regarding small disputed islands or something like that). I suspect that this is an excuse to deploy strategic defenses against the US' recent moves. Japan could even be in on the act.

Well... one could argue that they will build an east/west sort of thing. That would actually be a very useful tool for the US to use.... "you need us... look at what happens over there!" while China is left to it's own devises and continues to be the industrial backbone of the new world.

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What if rarity and notme are both right?

What if the USA and China were allies in a global war? Feeding off of each other, using their best strengths? Could any other county hope to even stand against that?

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Interesting topic. Particularly the part about debts that would go up in thin air, but also the comparability (or lack thereof) of military spending in USD. I read a lot about Chinese anti-aircraft-carrier missiles a few months ago, and that all that was needed was a global guiding system for it to become precise. China is catching up fast it seems. What I find unnecessary in the discussions here is the arrogance and disrespect shown in some posts. If someone criticizes your opinion what's to gain from insulting them? You will antagonize people instead of convincing them. Even if you are right, you can hardly convince someone and insult them at the same time.

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I encourage bitcoin users to use the Satoshi client or any other client that downloads the full blockchain so it is stored on your comptuer.

Do you know how big ( Megabytes ) that is?

A USB passed around could help as well.

LOL.. Well.. 8gb's is the total size of my newly downloaded blockchain.. IMO that seems huge....

Are you sure you got that right? If you did, there may be fake, bloated chains out there in the wild! Cheesy

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Quote from: mobile4ever on September 11, 2012, 08:36:51 AM

Quote from: jimbobway on August 01, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/

I encourage bitcoin users to use the Satoshi client or any other client that downloads the full blockchain so it is stored on your comptuer.

Do you know how big ( Megabytes ) that is?

A USB passed around could help as well.

LOL.. Well.. 8gb's is the total size of my newly downloaded blockchain.. IMO that seems huge....

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Quote from: niko on September 11, 2012, 09:57:30 AM

Quote from: mobile4ever on September 11, 2012, 08:36:51 AM

Quote from: jimbobway on August 01, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/

I encourage bitcoin users to use the Satoshi client or any other client that downloads the full blockchain so it is stored on your comptuer.

Do you know how big ( Megabytes ) that is?

A USB passed around could help as well.

http://blockchain.info/charts/blocks-size

Cool. Thanks! Looks like it just hit two gigs. That is easily passed around on a flash drive with plenty of room to spare.

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Quote from: mobile4ever on September 11, 2012, 08:36:51 AM

Quote from: jimbobway on August 01, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/

I encourage bitcoin users to use the Satoshi client or any other client that downloads the full blockchain so it is stored on your comptuer.

Do you know how big ( Megabytes ) that is?

A USB passed around could help as well.

http://blockchain.info/charts/blocks-size

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Quote from: jimbobway on August 01, 2012, 04:03:00 PM

http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/

I encourage bitcoin users to use the Satoshi client or any other client that downloads the full blockchain so it is stored on your comptuer.

Do you know how big ( Megabytes ) that is?

A USB passed around could help as well.

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Bitcoin relies on cryptography, the transaction network may need electricity and infrastructure but arguing that removing centralized regulated versions of these would destroy Bitcoin means arguing that folk can never be self sufficient and that would be ludicrous.

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Quote from: Rarity on August 02, 2012, 03:13:54 AM

Military Spending:

Refer to the bottom left-hand corner. The comparison is done in US dollars, which therefore makes it meaningless.
The exchange rate between the USD and CNY is contrived nonsense, and if I were to take a guess, the CNY is deliberately kept low in order to keep the bulk of the Chinese population working hard and unable to leave. Maybe there's some kind of decades' long agreement where the Chinese govt sold-out to the US, or maybe it's part of some long-term strategy for China to build-up their infrastructure and getting the rewards later. Either way, the current situation is unsustainable. They can't be the world's producers and poor indefinitely - something has to break.

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Quote from: Rarity on August 02, 2012, 03:18:49 AM

Good then, I am addressing no point because we entirely agree. Why you felt the need to start this discussion with your boots is beyond any of us.

Are you schizophrenic now? Or perhaps multiple personality disorder? Or are you egotistical enough to believe you speak for the entire forum?

You seem to be the confused one, are our points now in conflict again? Make up your mind. Do you want to stand by your idiotic comments or pretend you agreed with me the whole time, either way is fine with me.

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Quote from: Rarity on August 02, 2012, 03:18:49 AM

Good then, I am addressing no point because we entirely agree. Why you felt the need to start this discussion with your boots is beyond any of us.

Are you schizophrenic now? Or perhaps multiple personality disorder? Or are you egotistical enough to believe you speak for the entire forum?

Regardless, I'm going to bed, so enjoy having the last word

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Quote from: Rarity on August 02, 2012, 03:13:54 AM

The powerful thing is what makes it so fucking idiotic, there is no question the US military is vastly more powerful. That's why you look like such a moron when you compare boots to aircraft carriers. As I've been trying to hammer into the vast emptiness above your shoulders, the only instance in which relative power is comparable is the fantasy war scenario that will never happen.

That is why when you vainly tried to compare them you had to fall back on:

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In some situations, China would be superior, in some America would be. I doubt there will be a head to head conflict though.

...comparing who would be more powerful in a head to head conflict that isn't going to happen. Just please dude, go back to school. I can't help you with this, you need professional educators.

Cool story. I have nothing to say because you're attacking a point I never said and your quote from me doesn't address. Reading comprehension ftw.

You obouisly prefer insults to an actual discussion.

Good then, I am addressing no point because we entirely agree. Why you felt the need to start this discussion with your boots is beyond any of us.

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Quote from: Rarity on August 02, 2012, 03:13:54 AM

The powerful thing is what makes it so fucking idiotic, there is no question the US military is vastly more powerful. That's why you look like such a moron when you compare boots to aircraft carriers. As I've been trying to hammer into the vast emptiness above your shoulders, the only instance in which relative power is comparable is the fantasy war scenario that will never happen.

That is why when you vainly tried to compare them you had to fall back on:

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In some situations, China would be superior, in some America would be. I doubt there will be a head to head conflict though.

...comparing who would be more powerful in a head to head conflict that isn't going to happen. Just please dude, go back to school. I can't help you with this, you need professional educators.

Cool story. I have nothing to say because you're attacking a point I never said and your quote from me doesn't address. Reading comprehension ftw.

You obouisly prefer insults to an actual discussion.

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Vastly more powerful? any proof to this claim?

Anyone from China want to claim the opposite?

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The powerful thing is what makes it so fucking idiotic, there is no question the US military is vastly more powerful. That's why you look like such a moron when you compare boots to aircraft carriers. As I've been trying to hammer into the vast emptiness above your shoulders, the only instance in which relative power is comparable is the fantasy war scenario that will never happen.

That is why when you vainly tried to compare them you had to fall back on:

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In some situations, China would be superior, in some America would be. I doubt there will be a head to head conflict though.

...comparing who would be more powerful in a head to head conflict that isn't going to happen. Just please dude, go back to school. I can't help you with this, you need professional educators. The Chinese military could not crush any military in the world, they are not even close to even being able to get to most countries in the world because they don't have half the navy and airlift and power projection capabilities the US does. They don't have the hundreds of overseas bases. They don't have the money to blow to support the whole thing because they have more important domestic priorities.

Military Spending:

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Quote from: Rarity on August 02, 2012, 02:44:17 AM

You repeatedly tried to make the point that China is in some ways militarily superior because despite claiming it wouldn't happen you wanted to have some Tom Clancy wankoff about an American v. China war, you backed it up with some of the most idiotic statements in the history of this planet. At this point there isn't much more to be said, if you are still in school you need to start paying more attention. If you have graduated you need to return to school and try and figure out what went wrong. If you are employed, you should quit your job and go on disability for your mental impairment. It isn't fair for any employer to have to put up with the liabilities you bring to the table.

Quote from: notme on August 01, 2012, 11:48:29 PM

China's military beats America's by about 700,0000 boots. The US has slightly better hardware but it's still tough to say who is more powerful.

This is how it started. I never said anything about them fighting each other until you said this:

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I think the world government will mutually destroys themselves before I launch my first blockchain satellite.

I doubt the US or China are going anywhere in the next few centuries. China is historically an incredibly stable civilization and America is backed up by the most incredibly powerful military the world has ever seen. The two nations will keep the peace in the interest of their real goals, world economic domination and control of information. Replacing physical currencies with easily monitored and regulated electronic currencies like Bitcoin is merely a step in that process.

China's military beats America's by about 700,0000 boots. The US has slightly better hardware but it's still tough to say who is more powerful.

They can't get those boots to the United States, and drones > boots, but I was not suggesting war between these two nations. They are economic partners who are going to continue to work together to protect their mutual interests.

To which I replied:

Quote from: notme on August 02, 2012, 12:07:59 AM

I'm just arguing against your statement that "America is backed up by the most incredibly powerful military the world has ever seen". In some situations, China would be superior, in some America would be. I doubt there will be a head to head conflict though.

Looks to me like you're the one that kept pitting them against each other. I was just trying to make state that China's military is arguably as powerful or possibly more powerful than America's. Sure, it's kind of pointless since either force could crush any other military in the world, but the arrogance of Americans like you makes me sick.

All you seem to be able to do is insult my intelligence (which is 3 standard deviations above the mean btw) and put words in my mouth that I never said/typed.

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Martial law = maintain order and security using any necessary force. If the gird was to break down, then maybe we would need Martial law to maintain order until they get it back up. I dont think bitcoin would be effect at all by any country, even the US, declaring Martial law. One has nothing to do with the other.

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Quote from: notme on August 02, 2012, 12:07:59 AM

I'm just arguing against your statement that "America is backed up by the most incredibly powerful military the world has ever seen". In some situations, China would be superior, in some America would be. I doubt there will be a head to head conflict though.

Quote from: notme on August 02, 2012, 01:48:11 AM

I really can't think of a situation where the US and China would go head to head, but if it happens, the results won't be nearly as cut and dry as you claim.

Learn to read. You're arguing against a point I never made, and denied multiple times.

You repeatedly tried to make the point that China is in some ways militarily superior because despite claiming it wouldn't happen you wanted to have some Tom Clancy wankoff about an American v. China war, you backed it up with some of the most idiotic statements in the history of this planet. At this point there isn't much more to be said, if you are still in school you need to start paying more attention. If you have graduated you need to return to school and try and figure out what went wrong. If you are employed, you should quit your job and go on disability for your mental impairment. It isn't fair for any employer to have to put up with the liabilities you bring to the table.

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Quote from: notme on August 02, 2012, 12:07:59 AM

I'm just arguing against your statement that "America is backed up by the most incredibly powerful military the world has ever seen". In some situations, China would be superior, in some America would be. I doubt there will be a head to head conflict though.

Quote from: notme on August 02, 2012, 01:48:11 AM

I really can't think of a situation where the US and China would go head to head, but if it happens, the results won't be nearly as cut and dry as you claim.

Learn to read. You're arguing against a point I never made, and denied multiple times.

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