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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 13, 2024, 08:33:47 AM

I think many of us who have been in the gambling industry either sports or casino games know better how cruel the life of a gambler is and we learned from it.
We cannot be stuck just playing over and over again without even thinking about what is next. We need to grow. Honestly, there will still be times that we are dragged by our emotions but we know better and pauses will definitely help in this kind of situation as our mind can be cleared when we take some good rest.
It's not a perfect solution but it's better than nothing and it's all up to us on how disciplined we can be at staying with our budgeted amount and then calling it a day if it loses.

I have never done sports betting online, when there is a big game coming up I usually do real life betting by betting with one or more of my friends depending on how they choose their favorite team. Once I heard someone say that sports betting seems easy to do and if I'm not mistaken we can place bets when the game is about to finish, whether that's true or not but I myself am not interested and until now I have never done sports betting online. Maybe if I was interested in doing this kind of betting I would find a way to minimize the risk of losing the bet. Apart from that I agree with what you said sometimes we can get carried away by our own emotions and I think this applies to all players in making any type of bet.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 13, 2024, 08:15:01 AM

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I think this question is kinda suited for those who started poorly, less disciplined I meant, or maybe the addicted gamblers too, I am just not one of them, I understand very well how unsafe gambling can be so I am been more careful is all.

Yes, I experienced this. my sports betting at the beginning of my gambling was very bad. I used to just bet on some matches with small Odds. without even knowing the quality of the competing teams. I chose randomly the leagues provided by the sportsbook. even making multiple bets with several teams that very often made me lose.
I learned a lot from my own experience. now I am more careful in making bets and not doing it randomly like before. although sometimes the ambition to continue betting when there is a popular event like the World Cup cannot be avoided.

That's what the thread is all about. Developing as a player.

I think many of us who have been in the gambling industry either sports or casino games know better how cruel the life of a gambler is and we learned from it.
We cannot be stuck just playing over and over again without even thinking about what is next. We need to grow. Honestly, there will still be times that we are dragged by our emotions but we know better and pauses will definitely help in this kind of situation as our mind can be cleared when we take some good rest.
It's not a perfect solution but it's better than nothing and it's all up to us on how disciplined we can be at staying with our budgeted amount and then calling it a day if it loses.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on September 13, 2024, 07:24:17 AM

I think this question is kinda suited for those who started poorly, less disciplined I meant, or maybe the addicted gamblers too, I am just not one of them, I understand very well how unsafe gambling can be so I am been more careful is all.

Yes, I experienced this. my sports betting at the beginning of my gambling was very bad. I used to just bet on some matches with small Odds. without even knowing the quality of the competing teams. I chose randomly the leagues provided by the sportsbook. even making multiple bets with several teams that very often made me lose.
I learned a lot from my own experience. now I am more careful in making bets and not doing it randomly like before. although sometimes the ambition to continue betting when there is a popular event like the World Cup cannot be avoided.

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Quote from: Samlucky O on September 13, 2024, 06:40:57 AM

Though you said that gamblers for fun should stay clear from this post, but don't you think there are too many questions which requires a simple answer? For me, All this questions doesn't really matter. gambling is not for business porpos so no matter the type of strategy you need to make it a profitable business, am sorry you wouldn't get it. neither from Gamblers for fun or Gamblers for profit. Because both party are subjected to win and lose. Try as much as possible to gamble with your spear money. or always keep some percentage of money aside from your salary each week or month Maybe like %5 to gamble with. But don't think of it as business otherwise you becomes addicted to loss and becomes emotionally traumatized.

I agree with you, there is indeed no accurate strategy to be able to gain profit in gambling. However, with the many types of gambling, there are some that must be done with skill and this is where players can improve their skills until it can be said that there is development, for example with those who initially played games that required skill with no skills at all, then when he likes the game then there is a possibility that the player will find a way to have a strategy to increase his chances of winning.
The thing that must be prevented is excessive addiction, so it is better if we can set a certain amount to be allocated to gambling with the note not to extend the gambling session again when it ends in defeat.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 13, 2024, 04:48:09 AM

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Because it is impossible to develop as a player, gambling is not a skill that can be improved, gambling is not a thing that can be trained through years of betting. If we talk about betting, then with time, a person will only be better familiar with sport, specific team or a league. But that will be just a theory. Players still perform the way the can, but not the way gambler wants and predicts. If we talk about table games, slots or house games, then there is nothing to develop. All is about random and luck. Some might say that they become more disciplined, have more self control and etc. But does it really helps to win more? I am speaking about win only. Those skills might help to lose less, but we gamble to win, not to minimize losses.

I think the OP says not about gambling that is base on pure luck. So it's more on sports betting and if we as bettors could have improved at least our chances of winning. I absolutely believed that we can developed, but it's not that guarantee as well that we will always win in sports betting. Sure with time, we might be seeing and analyzing the games even more and we all have the internal data in our brain to say that this team is going to beat, or if the underdog has a good chance and should be a good bet as obviously it will have higher odds and so a good win for us. However, I say that it is not always a guarantee as sometimes there are unexpected things, maybe in the middle of the game, one of the star players got injured. So there are factors that is beyond our control and even if we have analyze it to the tee, there could be unexpected mistakes and we are going to lose.

A gambler can develop his skills of analyzing teams that he thinks can perform and those that can not, over time he'll be able to master a strategy for bets. Although it's not a guarantee that your strategy will work out no matter how many years of experience that you've had in sports bet. We can not undermine that luck plays a crucial role in sports bet so there's nothing like fully mastering a strategy that will give you sure wins. Unlike other forms of gambling that solely depends on luck to win, sports bet gives you the option to use your brain to calculate the chances that a team has to win in a match.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 16, 2024, 10:03:07 PM

I want to ask everyone interested in the topic of betting a question: are you developing as a betting player? Now I don't mean casino games that are completely dependent on luck. I write about sports and other bets in which you can make a profit in the long term, although it is very difficult and the percentage of such players is very small.
I also ask that those who “play for fun” not take part in the discussion. Such people, in my opinion, have little valuable to say on this topic.
If you take your entire gaming history, would you say that you have learned anything during this time?
In other words, are you progressing as a player? Is your strategy improving? Is the quality of risk management and money management improving? Have you learned to control your emotions? Are your winning statistics stable? Do losses keep you out of the game? Have you learned to recover from losses? Are you getting better at predicting the results of sports matches?

Good question, the truth is the self-awareness isn't present, I've been a very careful gambler from the start, so I am used to using $3 to $10 in gambling, I don't need to think if I am improving or not but my goal is to keep my discipline in checked.

I think this question is kinda suited for those who started poorly, less disciplined I meant, or maybe the addicted gamblers too, I am just not one of them, I understand very well how unsafe gambling can be so I am been more careful is all.

Few games do requires skills in this space, I think that's where responsible gamblers should try to improve themselves, but the few games that I am into are all games of luck only.

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Quote from: Assface16678 on September 13, 2024, 12:46:49 AM

I choose no, because I think me developing as a player in gambling or how I play is because of my skills that I develop in my work, well because I have a work that requires critical thinking and logical thinking, in short a programmer, and I notice that I'm more skilled day by day because I keep my mind exercise and developing as I need it for my work and I saw it when I also play gamble especially gambling card games.

Good, you can develop your thinking and skills for work or gambling in game like card game, can you get more wins in game that has begun to be mastered and really minimize losses more significantly ?
In card game there are those who are really skilled from those who feel skilled and any skill will never be able to surpass the dealer advantage, so basically everything will be the same with fairly large chance of failure even though you have tried to play as well as possible with all the skills you have.
I have quite long experience in the world of gambling from when I first knew physical gambling to now gambling online and I realized that the development that I think is really worthy of recognition is the development of person in controlling themselves and being able to minimize the amount of money lost to avoid all the bad effects of excessive gambling activities.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 16, 2024, 10:03:07 PM

I want to ask everyone interested in the topic of betting a question: are you developing as a betting player? Now I don't mean casino games that are completely dependent on luck. I write about sports and other bets in which you can make a profit in the long term, although it is very difficult and the percentage of such players is very small.
I also ask that those who “play for fun” not take part in the discussion. Such people, in my opinion, have little valuable to say on this topic.
If you take your entire gaming history, would you say that you have learned anything during this time?
In other words, are you progressing as a player? Is your strategy improving? Is the quality of risk management and money management improving? Have you learned to control your emotions? Are your winning statistics stable? Do losses keep you out of the game? Have you learned to recover from losses? Are you getting better at predicting the results of sports matches?

Though you said that gamblers for fun should stay clear from this post, but don't you think there are too many questions which requires a simple answer? For me, All this questions doesn't really matter. gambling is not for business porpos so no matter the type of strategy you need to make it a profitable business, am sorry you wouldn't get it. neither from Gamblers for fun or Gamblers for profit. Because both party are subjected to win and lose. Try as much as possible to gamble with your spear money. or always keep some percentage of money aside from your salary each week or month Maybe like %5 to gamble with. But don't think of it as business otherwise you becomes addicted to loss and becomes emotionally traumatized.

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100% you develop certain things over time.
I remember maaaany years ago when I started to play some games I just chose by feeling, record in the league and recent games. These days I inform myself a lot. Read both previews on the team's websites to gain info about certain players that are missing and so on. Basically trying to gain any small information available to make a good decision.

Also I am staying away from odds that are too good to be true. Especially with college basketball I got screwed over so many time, at some point you have to have learned your lesson.
About the mental aspect you also develop over time. You learn to not chase losses as fast as possible but taking your time and gain informations for the next play. Having a good bankroll management is also something to has to be learned over time, never take to high wagers that won't allow you to take a possible loss without a solid chance to recover.

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It is not easy to develop our skills as a betting player. I tried to search for the lesson but i can not still understand precisely and need to learn more. That is why I decide not to learn deeper on that skill and only place a bet for the match that I know.

I realize that having a skills and knowledge to analyze the match is necessary. But I don't have to force myself to learn so hard because that can consuming much time. But I learned to control my emotion in gambling because that is the important thing that we must have and do.

Win and lose comes to me so I am not trying to recover from losses. I can accept the lose although that is not easy in the beginning. I know that lose is part of gambling so I learn a lot to accept that lose.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 16, 2024, 10:03:07 PM

I want to ask everyone interested in the topic of betting a question: are you developing as a betting player? Now I don't mean casino games that are completely dependent on luck. I write about sports and other bets in which you can make a profit in the long term, although it is very difficult and the percentage of such players is very small.

Obviously spending time on something will increase one’s knowledge and every sensible gambler is bound to develop in their games, mistakes made are learned from and your knowledge about teams, their tactics, strength will improve a lot with time so it will increase your chances of winning. Throughout my years in gambling i have learned and developed a lot and i am now confident that i am able to make a reasonable amount from gambling.

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I also ask that those who “play for fun” not take part in the discussion. Such people, in my opinion, have little valuable to say on this topic.

Those who play for fun might look unserious but they are definitely learning a thing or two from their gambling times so don’t underestimate them for they may have some useful knowledge to share.

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If you take your entire gaming history, would you say that you have learned anything during this time?

In other words, are you progressing as a player? Is your strategy improving? Is the quality of risk management and money management improving? Have you learned to control your emotions? Are your winning statistics stable? Do losses keep you out of the game? Have you learned to recover from losses? Are you getting better at predicting the results of sports matches?

Yes, I have learned a lot as a gambler.
I am progressing and my strategy has improved immensely compared to when i started newly. Most importantly i have learned to management skills has improved alot, at first i wasn’t able to fully control my money and emotions but now i don’t have a problem with that.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 13, 2024, 01:54:31 AM

Because it is impossible to develop as a player, gambling is not a skill that can be improved, gambling is not a thing that can be trained through years of betting. If we talk about betting, then with time, a person will only be better familiar with sport, specific team or a league. But that will be just a theory. Players still perform the way the can, but not the way gambler wants and predicts. If we talk about table games, slots or house games, then there is nothing to develop. All is about random and luck. Some might say that they become more disciplined, have more self control and etc. But does it really helps to win more? I am speaking about win only. Those skills might help to lose less, but we gamble to win, not to minimize losses.

I think the OP says not about gambling that is base on pure luck. So it's more on sports betting and if we as bettors could have improved at least our chances of winning. I absolutely believed that we can developed, but it's not that guarantee as well that we will always win in sports betting. Sure with time, we might be seeing and analyzing the games even more and we all have the internal data in our brain to say that this team is going to beat, or if the underdog has a good chance and should be a good bet as obviously it will have higher odds and so a good win for us. However, I say that it is not always a guarantee as sometimes there are unexpected things, maybe in the middle of the game, one of the star players got injured. So there are factors that is beyond our control and even if we have analyze it to the tee, there could be unexpected mistakes and we are going to lose.

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The player can develop his skills in the game, that is, not only bet on the team he considers stronger, but will approach the analysis of the event comprehensively, follow the teams, be aware of all injuries, transfers, disputes and conflicts, as well as take a more fundamental approach to risk management. It is all difficult to understand at once, but over time you can learn this. And if we talk about games in slots, then only luck will play a role there, I do not know what can be changed or improved here.

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Because it is impossible to develop as a player, gambling is not a skill that can be improved, gambling is not a thing that can be trained through years of betting. If we talk about betting, then with time, a person will only be better familiar with sport, specific team or a league. But that will be just a theory. Players still perform the way the can, but not the way gambler wants and predicts. If we talk about table games, slots or house games, then there is nothing to develop. All is about random and luck. Some might say that they become more disciplined, have more self control and etc. But does it really helps to win more? I am speaking about win only. Those skills might help to lose less, but we gamble to win, not to minimize losses.

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If we are talking about sports betting, I have never been able to improve my skills no matter how much I tried and spent time on my own analytics. Apparently I am not destined to become a professional gambler, and to be honest I do not need it. In gambling I was able to raise my level of play only in poker and improve self-control, but as I understand it is not much related to this topic.

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I choose no, because I think me developing as a player in gambling or how I play is because of my skills that I develop in my work, well because I have a work that requires critical thinking and logical thinking, in short a programmer, and I notice that I'm more skilled day by day because I keep my mind exercise and developing as I need it for my work and I saw it when I also play gamble especially gambling card games.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 16, 2024, 10:03:07 PM

I also ask that those who “play for fun” not take part in the discussion. Such people, in my opinion, have little valuable to say on this topic.

That's me but I have experience to share.
Gambling adds additional excitements when watching a sports. It also helps me to study for the team and the players. So when gambling, I feel I am more informed than when I am just watching a match.

Totally depends on a certain individual on which there are really those people who do really welcome new ideas or things that they do like to experience or something that they are really interested into it.
Self learning on regarding or in connection about sports is something that will really be that depending on a certain individual on which there would really be those people who are really that skeptical
or wouldnt really be tending to take up the risks because they are really just that limiting themselves on a single point and wont really be trying out to learn other sports on which its normal.
It would really be that always depending into someones preference and liking because not all would really be that on the same mindset when it comes to this thing.

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on July 16, 2024, 10:03:07 PM

I also ask that those who “play for fun” not take part in the discussion. Such people, in my opinion, have little valuable to say on this topic.

That's me but I have experience to share.
Gambling adds additional excitements when watching a sports. It also helps me to study for the team and the players. So when gambling, I feel I am more informed than when I am just watching a match.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on July 18, 2024, 11:26:45 PM

I personally define development for player as when they are able to lose an acceptable amount of money and are able to control themselves to minimize risks.
Gambling is full of risks and bad impacts, so far very few gamblers have been able to avoid them.

I am not sure that we can talk about player`s development at all, since gambling is an extremely unpredictable activity, and it is simply impossible to determine the further way of events. Each time, chance plays a decisive role, the game is not subject to the player's control, which means that he cannot develop a strategy that would improve his skills. The only development that I see for myself is the development of self-control, the ability to stop in time and leave the game while you are winning or at least not losing. But since there are no clear, unbreakable rules, no frames, we cannot talk about stable development, which can be achieved through the player's efforts.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on July 18, 2024, 11:26:45 PM

I personally define development for player as when they are able to lose an acceptable amount of money and are able to control themselves to minimize risks.
Gambling is full of risks and bad impacts, so far very few gamblers have been able to avoid them.

You are right, and it is as you say, having more wins than losses I think and I consider it is almost impossible, rather the success rate can change when people change to another branch of the game such as sports betting, I think it is easier to win there , because it is no longer due to pure luck, but also to the internal decisions that are made, this is something that should always be seen.

Sometimes people are practically very susceptible to things that can happen, games will always be for entertainment reasons, and not to think of having it as an income, if we Start from there I think that one will avoid having many Losses.

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