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Some real scientist to be found in signature.
Still pushing your Covid claptrap eh?
A simple search of those “real scientists” found in your siggy
shows they are all debunked or full of shit.
Just like yourself.
Topic: Argument against vaccines quite flawed - page 2. (Read 543 times)
……
Some real scientist to be found in signature.
Still pushing your Covid claptrap eh?
A simple search of those “real scientists” found in your siggy
shows they are all debunked or full of shit.
Just like yourself.
I'd say the argument against vaccines is not flawed, it's non-existent.
A while ago, I heard a phrase: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
People who argue against vaccines choose not to believe in evidence, nor in science, and instead believe blindly in whatever cockamamie "truth" suits their agenda.
You don't need to be a virologist to understand vaccines. You need to have a brain, and you need to use it.
There have been many diseases before covid-19 that have been eradicated (or are well on their way to be so) because of vaccine campaigns. Polio, smallpox, rubella, diphteria, tuberculosis, measles, tetanus, rabies, and a loooong list of others.
It could be understandable (to a point) if people were wary of vaccines in the beginning, when they were unproven, but now, it's just pathetic.
A while ago, I heard a phrase: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
People who argue against vaccines choose not to believe in evidence, nor in science, and instead believe blindly in whatever cockamamie "truth" suits their agenda.
You don't need to be a virologist to understand vaccines. You need to have a brain, and you need to use it.
There have been many diseases before covid-19 that have been eradicated (or are well on their way to be so) because of vaccine campaigns. Polio, smallpox, rubella, diphteria, tuberculosis, measles, tetanus, rabies, and a loooong list of others.
It could be understandable (to a point) if people were wary of vaccines in the beginning, when they were unproven, but now, it's just pathetic.
Tell-lie-vision is not science, corrupt politician is not science.
Some real scientist to be found in signature.
I'd say the argument against vaccines is not flawed, it's non-existent.
A while ago, I heard a phrase: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
People who argue against vaccines choose not to believe in evidence, nor in science, and instead believe blindly in whatever cockamamie "truth" suits their agenda.
You don't need to be a virologist to understand vaccines. You need to have a brain, and you need to use it.
There have been many diseases before covid-19 that have been eradicated (or are well on their way to be so) because of vaccine campaigns. Polio, smallpox, rubella, diphteria, tuberculosis, measles, tetanus, rabies, and a loooong list of others.
It could be understandable (to a point) if people were wary of vaccines in the beginning, when they were unproven, but now, it's just pathetic.
A while ago, I heard a phrase: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
People who argue against vaccines choose not to believe in evidence, nor in science, and instead believe blindly in whatever cockamamie "truth" suits their agenda.
You don't need to be a virologist to understand vaccines. You need to have a brain, and you need to use it.
There have been many diseases before covid-19 that have been eradicated (or are well on their way to be so) because of vaccine campaigns. Polio, smallpox, rubella, diphteria, tuberculosis, measles, tetanus, rabies, and a loooong list of others.
It could be understandable (to a point) if people were wary of vaccines in the beginning, when they were unproven, but now, it's just pathetic.
The best data I have is that from not long after the 'two weeks to flatten the curve' in early 2020, the number of people who'd been exposed and developed antibodies in S. Cal was about 25%. Most of them had no idea. That is the basis for my statement that SARS-cov-2 is pretty much on par with any common cold.
Whilst any assessment of the proportion of people with antibodies is always going to be an approximation, I'm skeptical of your 'best data'. I assume the standard of data-gathering and analysis in the US is at least as good as that here in the UK, and as far as I can see, ours is pretty good. Have a look at the links below from our Office for National Statistics, for example, and explain why this is all lies and misdirection.
ONS Methodologies
ONS Insights
And what about the excess death figures? Or are they all lies, too? Weird how the death rate (from any reason) increased so dramatically since early 2020, coinciding exactly with waves of the virus.
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...Now let's just say that this is just a large experiment of sorts. Wouldn't it be even harder to check the progress with this many of a test subject?
I wouldn't really call it a 'large experiment'. More a re-set of how research and development is done. Now we'll 'do it live' so to speak. Won't we Rick?
As for the tracking, that's really not a problem because random sampling from a sufficiently large pool will give a very precise result. Lord knows we now have a sufficiently large pool for a bunch of stuff including gene therapy subjects using a variety of techniques.
Fully vaxxed myself, decided to take that risk but it seems it's not really that dire anymore. Hopefully at this point we've all gotten some sort of resistance from it. In my community everyone that has ever tested positive were asymptomatic and the infection was only caught because these people have routine testing for work.
The background infection rate is probably the most critical piece of info in deciding on a rational policy, and it is never published even two years later.
The best data I have is that from not long after the 'two weeks to flatten the curve' in early 2020, the number of people who'd been exposed and developed antibodies in S. Cal was about 25%. Most of them had no idea. That is the basis for my statement that SARS-cov-2 is pretty much on par with any common cold.
However many people are already convinced, and have been since the start, that the vaccines are unsafe and full of nanobots or miniaturised 5G masts or a tiny robot Bill Gates who will rewrite their DNA, or other such nonsense. These people will disregard all data as their decision has already been reached.
I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.
I think there are probably a lot of people in my category who are familiar with the rather amazing technology that has been talked about, patented, etc and are wondering if perhaps some experiments with some of it were a part of the plandemic. It's clear by definition that trying the mRNA cell re-programming technology out on the masses was exactly what happened, and it's a fair suspicion that various groups were granted permission to try out other things too. Note that it is about as close as it's possible to get to a 'fact' that the different 'batches' from, say, Pfizer had vastly different outcomes for people who got one batch vs. another which is a pretty good indication that there were experiments of one sort or another going on.
That's quite a long way from 'knowing' that there are '5G masts' in the so-called vaccine. It's simply a fairly rational question to ask...though it's not likely that and answer would be given without a fair bit of 'working over'. Obviously the current FDA, CDC, etc are not going to ask, and not going to tell what they know.
Now let's just say that this is just a large experiment of sorts. Wouldn't it be even harder to check the progress with this many of a test subject?
Most publishing sites are solely interested in information that would help them rank their site; they don't care what they're writing. Even if they lie in their content, they nevertheless rank well on Google. I believe we should report such websites to cybercrime to take action against the perpetrators of such falsehoods. I think that these falsehoods have a significant negative influence on bitcoin's image and community and that we may lose a large number of new investors as a result. This must be put to an end as quickly as feasible.
That's quite common with anything that's trending honestly, and the pandemic has been on the spotlight for the past 2 years now. You'll see it with pretty much anything, from Bitcoin when it's crashing, to vaccines, or anything which is a controversial subject.For this specific reason, there are a few fact checkers that provide decent information and debunk such theories. However, it's still not that hard nor time consuming to conduct your own research.
Most publishing sites are solely interested in information that would help them rank their site; they don't care what they're writing. Even if they lie in their content, they nevertheless rank well on Google. I believe we should report such websites to cybercrime to take action against the perpetrators of such falsehoods. I think that these falsehoods have a significant negative influence on bitcoin's image and community and that we may lose a large number of new investors as a result. This must be put to an end as quickly as feasible.
What's outstanding with Covid-19 vaccines is that thousands of people signed up for the clinical trials (of each company individually). Such participation has never occurred before, which is one of the main reasons these vaccines were developed so quickly. With other studies, researchers struggled for years to find enough participants, but that wasn't the case with Covid, people got united, together, trusting science in order to develop a safe and efficient vaccine.
While we're now possibly headed towards the end of the pandemic, let's not forget how serious the first strains of the virus were and how many deaths we suffered in the first wave.
While we're now possibly headed towards the end of the pandemic, let's not forget how serious the first strains of the virus were and how many deaths we suffered in the first wave.
Keep your toxic death shot
If anything is above zero (in respect of medicines and vaccines), it is essential if they effectively fight against the disease. So please do not pay any attention to what others are saying. Just get vaccinated.
Fully vaxxed myself, decided to take that risk but it seems it's not really that dire anymore. Hopefully at this point we've all gotten some sort of resistance from it. In my community everyone that has ever tested positive were asymptomatic and the infection was only caught because these people have routine testing for work.
The background infection rate is probably the most critical piece of info in deciding on a rational policy, and it is never published even two years later.
The best data I have is that from not long after the 'two weeks to flatten the curve' in early 2020, the number of people who'd been exposed and developed antibodies in S. Cal was about 25%. Most of them had no idea. That is the basis for my statement that SARS-cov-2 is pretty much on par with any common cold.
However many people are already convinced, and have been since the start, that the vaccines are unsafe and full of nanobots or miniaturised 5G masts or a tiny robot Bill Gates who will rewrite their DNA, or other such nonsense. These people will disregard all data as their decision has already been reached.
I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.
I think there are probably a lot of people in my category who are familiar with the rather amazing technology that has been talked about, patented, etc and are wondering if perhaps some experiments with some of it were a part of the plandemic. It's clear by definition that trying the mRNA cell re-programming technology out on the masses was exactly what happened, and it's a fair suspicion that various groups were granted permission to try out other things too. Note that it is about as close as it's possible to get to a 'fact' that the different 'batches' from, say, Pfizer had vastly different outcomes for people who got one batch vs. another which is a pretty good indication that there were experiments of one sort or another going on.
That's quite a long way from 'knowing' that there are '5G masts' in the so-called vaccine. It's simply a fairly rational question to ask...though it's not likely that and answer would be given without a fair bit of 'working over'. Obviously the current FDA, CDC, etc are not going to ask, and not going to tell what they know.
Fully vaxxed myself, decided to take that risk but it seems it's not really that dire anymore. Hopefully at this point we've all gotten some sort of resistance from it. In my community everyone that has ever tested positive were asymptomatic and the infection was only caught because these people have routine testing for work.
I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.
However many people are already convinced, and have been since the start, that the vaccines are unsafe and full of nanobots or miniaturised 5G masts or a tiny robot Bill Gates who will rewrite their DNA, or other such nonsense. These people will disregard all data as their decision has already been reached.
I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.
I wouldn't agree agree that arguments against covid vaccines is quite flawed. Yeah, some arguments is just stopid and not worth to pay attention, but some things makes sense. Like @ibminer said, we don't know about long term effect of vaccine. Probably you won' die 15 minutes or week after taking vaccine, but you don't know what long term effects it will have for you. I'm not saying that vaccines is dangerous or something, but we just don't know it.
Boosters every 4-6 months. It looks like story without end. Tell me other vaccine which is effctive for so short.
Mandatory vaccination - sorry, but no way. I took two jabs, but I wouldn't want to live in country where vaccination is mandatory. Espeially when current vaccines isn't that effective against new covid variants like omicron (which isn't that dangerous itself). I don't like covid passports, but if it's in use, people should have choice. Like making tests in order to enter places where covid passport is required. Bt mandatory vaccination shouldn't even be considered IMHO
It's also ridiculous and sad that countries with big vaccination rates (80% and similar) made lockdowns, despite that they promised freedom for people. I have Netherlands or Belgium in my mind for example. At least it seems that most cuntries in EU ending most of restrictions, but I don't know how people can trust in their governments after it.
Boosters every 4-6 months. It looks like story without end. Tell me other vaccine which is effctive for so short.
Mandatory vaccination - sorry, but no way. I took two jabs, but I wouldn't want to live in country where vaccination is mandatory. Espeially when current vaccines isn't that effective against new covid variants like omicron (which isn't that dangerous itself). I don't like covid passports, but if it's in use, people should have choice. Like making tests in order to enter places where covid passport is required. Bt mandatory vaccination shouldn't even be considered IMHO
It's also ridiculous and sad that countries with big vaccination rates (80% and similar) made lockdowns, despite that they promised freedom for people. I have Netherlands or Belgium in my mind for example. At least it seems that most cuntries in EU ending most of restrictions, but I don't know how people can trust in their governments after it.
I don't really understand why so many people are against the vaccine. 
Moreover, the ridiculous arguments they make against the vaccine are not acceptable.
When thousands of lives were being lost every day due to covid-19 and after living in captivity for almost two years, everyone was mentally broken, nothing but this antidote became a beacon of hope.
If it had not been for the vaccine, we would have been in lockdown for several more years.
The world would be destroyed!!
Moreover, the ridiculous arguments they make against the vaccine are not acceptable.When thousands of lives were being lost every day due to covid-19 and after living in captivity for almost two years, everyone was mentally broken, nothing but this antidote became a beacon of hope.
If it had not been for the vaccine, we would have been in lockdown for several more years.
The world would be destroyed!!
So, would you change the uncertainty about the vaccine being unsafe for the uncertainty about the virus being equally unknown and certainly unsafe short term??
I decided to wait and evaluate when "the virus" became something that people were concerned with. There are people out there who cry because of Dukes of Hazzard being on TV (spoiler alert: they got it banned), I damn sure am not going to lump my personal health decisions in with the fear of these types of people. Once enough evidence came out showing that the virus was not deadly for those under 65 and hospitals were heavily financially incentivized to test fatal gunshot victims for covid with tests that have a high degree of false positives, it became clear this pandemic was never about a virus at all. Sure, the flu kills people. I am deeply sorry for anyone who has ever lost someone to the flu, in the last 2 years or the thousands prior. Politicians weaponizing this as fear to test their level of control over their citizens while enriching themselves and their donors at the cost of future generations is despicable. How many times are we going to ignore the theft of trillions because of a fear induced event?
Why flawed?
- New unproven technology - fact
- First released under emergency use - fact
- No long-term study - fact
Other than that, people that I know tested positive mostly survived, and only a few old people that got hospitalized. If the people around me died, and the disease was truly scary, like you could see it with your own eyes, I'd be run to get the shot before I press this "post" button. I still remember I was travelling to a remote area, and people there didn't even wear a mask. Like literally no trace of pandemic there and people were looking at me because I wore a mask. Perhaps "vaccine" is necessary if you live in a crowded urban area, but still, it must be voluntary, not mandatory. And now we know that the "vaccine" effect only lasts for 6 months, can still be tested positive, can still spread the virus. It becomes like a flu vaccine, which I believe people in my state won't bother to do it if not because of government censorship and tyranny.
- New unproven technology - fact
- First released under emergency use - fact
- No long-term study - fact
Other than that, people that I know tested positive mostly survived, and only a few old people that got hospitalized. If the people around me died, and the disease was truly scary, like you could see it with your own eyes, I'd be run to get the shot before I press this "post" button. I still remember I was travelling to a remote area, and people there didn't even wear a mask. Like literally no trace of pandemic there and people were looking at me because I wore a mask. Perhaps "vaccine" is necessary if you live in a crowded urban area, but still, it must be voluntary, not mandatory. And now we know that the "vaccine" effect only lasts for 6 months, can still be tested positive, can still spread the virus. It becomes like a flu vaccine, which I believe people in my state won't bother to do it if not because of government censorship and tyranny.
Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.
For some reason, it doesn't surprise me that you're incapable of using a search engine. This might be useful: https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/draft-landscape-of-covid-19-candidate-vaccinesOr are the WHO part of the global conspiracy? You can't spell "Big Pharma Whores" without "WHO", amirite?
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Yes the criminals at WHO will find themself in court as well.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58986490
Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.
For some reason, it doesn't surprise me that you're incapable of using a search engine. This might be useful: https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/draft-landscape-of-covid-19-candidate-vaccinesOr are the WHO part of the global conspiracy? You can't spell "Big Pharma Whores" without "WHO", amirite?
Huge number of people died because of the so called vaccine and a lot will die in the years to come with all the unknow toxins injected.
Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.Dying with covid is not dying from covid, a scam test does not tell you anything other than you active partake in a scam.
Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.Nuremberg 2.0 started
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZm1UQDDCyX/?fbclid=IwAR0lFReEPI6em8AF8hGoO7m0mlLV6AcQonSp-zcHS_SXxm7dnhpWUodxcg0
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZm1UQDDCyX/?fbclid=IwAR0lFReEPI6em8AF8hGoO7m0mlLV6AcQonSp-zcHS_SXxm7dnhpWUodxcg0
anti-vaxxer arguments that often come from bitchute, FB, or YouTube. This can range from carefully-curated misinformation based on selective evidence, to outright lies.
Oh yeah, and Instagram.a long list of other products (even outdated), that big pharma has had 'approved', which have all been pulled from the market after staying for XX number of years, sometimes 30+, which all ended up doing damage
Millions of people were dying, so the vaccines were developed with some urgency. There wasn't the luxury of waiting 30+ years to see if they are okay. But the vaccines have been through the full trials process, the data are publicly available, and they have been in use for over a year. Over 10 billion doses have been administered, and a huge number of lives have been saved. They are safe and effective, and their development is a huge triumph of modern science. I'm simply saying that in this context, saying "Yeah, they seem safe, but what if they aren't? Let's wait 30+ years to be sure" isn't the best option.............
Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.
Huge number of people died because of the so called vaccine and a lot will die in the years to come with all the unknow toxins injected.
Modern science is nothing but a corrupt pile of garbage, propagated by the tell-lie-vision
Nuremberg 2.0 started
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZm1UQDDCyX/?fbclid=IwAR0lFReEPI6em8AF8hGoO7m0mlLV6AcQonSp-zcHS_SXxm7dnhpWUodxcg0
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