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Topic: Armory Crowdfunding Finished! [UPDATE - *BETA*] - page 5. (Read 25515 times)

hero member
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Well, I would choose to use Armory for exactly one reason, offline transactions. This is, by far, the most important feature of Armory, in my opinion. I'm sure I will find the other features useful, of course, but for me personally, they would not be enough of a reason to make the switch.

So, I already have offline Satoshi wallets as deep secure storage. In order to take advantages of Armory's amazing security feature, offline transactions, I have to take my already existing secure offline wallets and put them on an internet connected, and possibly compromised, computer. Do you see the problem? I have to nullify my previous security measures in order to implement the security feature which entices me to use Armory in the first place.

i am guessing 99,5% of all users lie between those having 50k btc unencrypted on a rented virtual machine and those who woudnt ever connect to the network with their savings wallet. not to mention this is only relevant for people already having an offline solution in place not for those who start using this features with armory for the first time.
hero member
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when you ask for features like that dont forget that are very few people out there that have that problem but any number of people that cant use armory because of the ram requirements or wont use it because it lacks very basic features like an address book.
donator
Activity: 980
Merit: 1000
Solid work.

How about supporting Wallet Import Format like the one used in bitwallet.org? that'd be nice to have IMO.

Muyuu,

I have intentionally avoided wallet importing because of all sorts of weird and nasty things that can happen when two programs are using the same wallet.  I'd prefer if users starts new wallets and transfer coins to them.  However, that doesnt' mean I'll never allow it, I just want to prevent users from shooting themselves in the foot right now, and I'll work on wallet import (with appropriate built-in precautions), later.

I understand why, but Armory would be even more useful if it could also manage non-Armory wallets (or just pubkey/privkey pairs). You could distinguish these clearly in the GUI.

The current situation is that you cannot migrate your coins to Armory without using something else other than Armory. Say I had just created an address with a local javascript bitwallet (because that was the only thing available at that point) and now I want to send this to one of my Armory wallets. Simply can't without some other software/trusting some website to have that pubkey for a bit at least (and immediately losing that address as well).

IMO this should be pretty high in your priority list, just give it a thought Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1093
Core Armory Developer
Solid work.

How about supporting Wallet Import Format like the one used in bitwallet.org? that'd be nice to have IMO.

Muyuu,

I have intentionally avoided wallet importing because of all sorts of weird and nasty things that can happen when two programs are using the same wallet.  I'd prefer if users starts new wallets and transfer coins to them.  However, that doesnt' mean I'll never allow it, I just want to prevent users from shooting themselves in the foot right now, and I'll work on wallet import (with appropriate built-in precautions), later.

ist this included in armory?  can`t find it ? is this in the default design?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24784.80

thx

I had plans to do something like that, eventually, but it's low on my priority list.  On the other hand, my code base is setup to pretty easily allow one to quickly see what addresses have money and select or deselect addresses to be used to fund a given transaction.  So, I guess I could bump it up in priority given that I'm well-prepared for it Smiley  Either way, I gotta fix the RAM issue first, and then I'll think about stuff like this.  


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Short-term development plans:

[...]
 Customizable SelectCoins algorithm: optimize for anonymity or minimal transaction fees.

This is actually a different kind of anonymity.  It doesn't include or exclude specific addresses, it only optimizes the coin selection to use(/link) as few input addresses as possible, make the outputs look indistinguishable, and minimize tx fee.  It's already built into the Armory codebase, I just need to set up an options page so that users can specify their preference.  But this wouldn't replace the full-scale anonymity feature.
hero member
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ist this included in armory?  can`t find it ? is this in the default design?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24784.80


thx

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Short-term development plans:

[...]
 Customizable SelectCoins algorithm: optimize for anonymity or minimal transaction fees.
hero member
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ist this included in armory?  can`t find it ? is this in the default design?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24784.80


thx
donator
Activity: 980
Merit: 1000
Solid work.

How about supporting Wallet Import Format like the one used in bitwallet.org? that'd be nice to have IMO.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
i can't wait until you get this thing locked down and solid.  what a great wallet.
hero member
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LOL, nice title change!
Even better now! Nice.

Now if only I could get xubuntu to boot off my USB stick Sad
legendary
Activity: 1428
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Core Armory Developer
O.K. Second donation just sent. I really hope that this project takes off, so I'm happy to bump with a donation.

Thanks Indemnified!

With the recent, high-profile BTC thefts, I have updated this thread to more-directly market Armory as the solution.  It sounds like the only reason Slush didn't lose more money, was because he was using cold-storage for most of his funds.  Multi-signature transactions would help, but they are stalled indefinitely.  And, most users do not have the patience or skill to figure out "cold-storage" on their own, which is where Armory shines!  I guess I should rename Armory Offline Wallets to Armory Cold-Storage Solutions! 

So, I am bumping my own thread with a title change, in hope of really highlighting why users should be interested in Armory.  I think even after multi-signature transactions are enabled, offline wallets will be the best way to protect yourself, even against highly-targeted attackers.

Note: I am on vacation until the end of the week, and it appears I have introduced a send-tx bug into Armory just before I left (in version 0.55-alpha)!  Gah!  If you are trying out Armory for the first time and you try to send Bitcoins from your Armory wallet, you will get an error that it was not accepted by the network:  but the transaction did go through!  Just be patient and wait a few blocks (Armory still collects new block information, but it won't acknowledge the transaction until it appears in the blockchain).  When I get back from vacation, I will be fixing the bug! 
full member
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O.K. Second donation just sent. I really hope that this project takes off, so I'm happy to bump with a donation.

legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1035
Watching, and will probably buy the presentation for, $10 you said?, tomorrow.

Yup 2.1 BTC to the BTC address or $10 through RocketHub for the encryption seminar.  Maybe if I can generate enough interest, I could finish my crowdfunding on that alone  (only need about 900 people to buy in!)

Do you prefer BTC or RocketHub?

I have a very slight preference for RocketHub, but it only matters if you are completely indifferent to sending BTC vs entering CC information.  There's nothing wrong with BTC donations! (in other words, pick whatever you want, and only pick RH if you don't care one way or another)

Guess what I forgot to do for a whole week? (busy busy busy)
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/2949632/fff6a336eed0fa1c28dff3f6c24bf3b64c2102fc60e202567a2f1fa2606ce9f5
Hope that's enough for that seminar :|
full member
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I don't use Armory yet but I donated $100 since I just got paid today.

I'm looking forward to multisig/contracts in Armory in the future, after P2SH is enabled on the network.  I'm especially hoping it will be possible to implement contracts to enable other "for the good of Bitcoin" crowdfunding projects in the future, such as assurance or dominant assurance contracts.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
LOL, nice title change!
rjk
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1ngldh
Well, I will happily take suggestions and go from there.  Perhaps if I get some good recommendations I will consider.  Unfortuantely, I'm leaving town for a week and I have no time to deal with this right now.  And re-branding will be no trivial task.  "Armory" is all over this project Sad



I would really not stress about this.

Most sites/companies fail anyway. This doesn't look like anything special and the people running it didn't consider their name very carefully since it's more likely to hurt them than anything.

Someone hears there is a place to get guns for bitcoin and wants to check it out. They end up at your site and realize whoever told them it sold guns was just an idiot.

Maybe when ignorant people complain to me that bitcoin is used to sell weapons I'll take them to your site and show them what bitcoin actually does.

I really hope you don't waste any time dealing with this, but If you do rebrand, stay away from 'flower' ok?

this is a good point.  The Armory may not even be around in 6 mo.  their biz probably borders on illegal altho this is just a guess. 

don't worry about it.  you have way more important things to focus on.
Lol, no shit it's illegal, that's why it's a Tor hidden site run by the same people as Silk Road.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
Well, I will happily take suggestions and go from there.  Perhaps if I get some good recommendations I will consider.  Unfortuantely, I'm leaving town for a week and I have no time to deal with this right now.  And re-branding will be no trivial task.  "Armory" is all over this project Sad



I would really not stress about this.

Most sites/companies fail anyway. This doesn't look like anything special and the people running it didn't consider their name very carefully since it's more likely to hurt them than anything.

Someone hears there is a place to get guns for bitcoin and wants to check it out. They end up at your site and realize whoever told them it sold guns was just an idiot.

Maybe when ignorant people complain to me that bitcoin is used to sell weapons I'll take them to your site and show them what bitcoin actually does.

I really hope you don't waste any time dealing with this, but If you do rebrand, stay away from 'flower' ok?

this is a good point.  The Armory may not even be around in 6 mo.  their biz probably borders on illegal altho this is just a guess. 

don't worry about it.  you have way more important things to focus on.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
Well, I will happily take suggestions and go from there.  Perhaps if I get some good recommendations I will consider.  Unfortuantely, I'm leaving town for a week and I have no time to deal with this right now.  And re-branding will be no trivial task.  "Armory" is all over this project Sad



I would really not stress about this.

Most sites/companies fail anyway. This doesn't look like anything special and the people running it didn't consider their name very carefully since it's more likely to hurt them than anything.

Someone hears there is a place to get guns for bitcoin and wants to check it out. They end up at your site and realize whoever told them it sold guns was just an idiot.

Maybe when ignorant people complain to me that bitcoin is used to sell weapons I'll take them to your site and show them what bitcoin actually does.

I really hope you don't waste any time dealing with this, but If you do rebrand, stay away from 'flower' ok?
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1093
Core Armory Developer
Well, I will happily take suggestions and go from there.  Perhaps if I get some good recommendations I will consider.  Unfortuantely, I'm leaving town for a week and I have no time to deal with this right now.  And re-branding will be no trivial task.  "Armory" is all over this project Sad

full member
Activity: 216
Merit: 100
*sigh*. The issue with the names is public perception. It really isn't going to take someone in the press very long to note the similarity in the names, and with the amount of FUD we've all seen out there regarding Bitcoin it will be short work for someone to make Armory = The Armory to the public and make it stick. Of all the fucktardedly stupid things to do to help derail Bitcoin this has to be one of the best. My understanding is that eto is trying to make this appeal to the mass public at large and hence get widespread adoption of Bitcoin. Having this awesome client even remotely tied to weapons dealing is a good way to kill it with the general public. My advice is to change the name of this project, quickly.

edit: And if you want, you can get the community involved in the renaming part. Make a thread, get the best 5 or 10 ideas, assign them each an address and let people vote with bitcoins. Name that has the most coins wins.

Unfortunately, I agree. Public perception can make or break - and this is a no-brainer for an adversary to exploit.
full member
Activity: 153
Merit: 100
*sigh*. The issue with the names is public perception. It really isn't going to take someone in the press very long to note the similarity in the names, and with the amount of FUD we've all seen out there regarding Bitcoin it will be short work for someone to make Armory = The Armory to the public and make it stick. Of all the fucktardedly stupid things to do to help derail Bitcoin this has to be one of the best. My understanding is that eto is trying to make this appeal to the mass public at large and hence get widespread adoption of Bitcoin. Having this awesome client even remotely tied to weapons dealing is a good way to kill it with the general public. My advice is to change the name of this project, quickly.

edit: And if you want, you can get the community involved in the renaming part. Make a thread, get the best 5 or 10 ideas, assign them each an address and let people vote with bitcoins. Name that has the most coins wins.
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