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I am just a HUGE hater of crowdfunding
It's easy to hate what you don't understand. The business mentality doesn't understand sharing, helping others, donations, generosity, kindness or being socially responsible.
Topic: Armory Crowdfunding Finished! [UPDATE - *BETA*] - page 9. (Read 25498 times)
It's easy to hate what you don't understand. The business mentality doesn't understand sharing, helping others, donations, generosity, kindness or being socially responsible.
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Alan, let me tone down the pretentious dick breath and try this again..
As a hero in the making, have you ever explored honest and honorable means to monetize other than just donations?
As a hero in the making, have you ever explored honest and honorable means to monetize other than just donations?
You still come across as pretentious to me. I have sent you pre-production payment for your magazine and you asking for that is no more (or less) "honest and honorable" than what Alan is doing - well, yours is maybe a little less honorable
Alan does not seem to be misleading in any way. Please leave him alone and just don't contribute if you don't appreciate what he is doing. I, for one, am glad that he is keeping it all open source.
Receiving fees for a tangeable item is not honorable? Lawl.
Anyway, I love Armory and hope it completely replaces all uses of the normal client and I love anything that plans on incorporating OT. Where my attitude comes from is not related to this project or OP at all-- it's that I am bias against e-begging. Call it one-dimensional (as my pro-crowdfunding marketing director Mihai Alisoe calls it) but I really think he can be making much more and bringing in more resources through other monetary means than crowdfunding alone. If he's already researching other ways, then I'll gladly find a way to remove my foot from my mouth.
@OP: I really want to do something for you with the magazine that can help you, but I haven't had time to think up something awesome and mutually beneficial. Any ideas guys?
P.S. I know its hard to tell with me sometimes but calling him a hero wasn't sarcasm. I love this project more than I can describe in words, I am just a HUGE hater of crowdfunding for software-only initiatives. Crowdsourcing on the other hand...
Sent a little .. all counts hey 
Keep at it bud
Keep at it bud
Alan, let me tone down the pretentious dick breath and try this again..
As a hero in the making, have you ever explored honest and honorable means to monetize other than just donations?
As a hero in the making, have you ever explored honest and honorable means to monetize other than just donations?
You still come across as pretentious to me. I have sent you pre-production payment for your magazine and you asking for that is no more (or less) "honest and honorable" than what Alan is doing - well, yours is maybe a little less honorable
Alan does not seem to be misleading in any way. Please leave him alone and just don't contribute if you don't appreciate what he is doing. I, for one, am glad that he is keeping it all open source.
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Alan, let me tone down the pretentious dick breath and try this again..
As a hero in the making, have you ever explored honest and honorable means to monetize other than just donations?
As a hero in the making, have you ever explored honest and honorable means to monetize other than just donations?
Just sent my donation.
Looking forward to the coming development! Great job so far
Looking forward to the coming development! Great job so far
thank you for your efforts i am very impressed with this and am pleased to have become a supporter. Making a donation helps me to contribute to the community without having the necessary skills to contribute in other areas. Thank you for this opportunity .
I'd like to give Alan a huge endorsement for the incredible client he is building. I've had the privilege of chatting with Alan frequently, and his character, kindness, and intelligence is inspirational.
Alan deserves any possible donation than anyone can toss his way. He's building a magnificent thing. Armory is serious quality.
Alan deserves any possible donation than anyone can toss his way. He's building a magnificent thing. Armory is serious quality.
Honestly, I really think that this kind of development is kind of waste of time. The "bitcoin wallet" software is pretty well solved problem. There exist numerous other bitcoin related projects & ideas, which could be much more important to the bitcoin project in general. Some of those projects could be even profitable businesses in the near future.
I hardly see how bringing extra security and a world of new functionality to the desktop is a waste of time.
- The simple addition of "deterministic wallets" requiring only a single backup at creation time, solves a tremendously frustrating problem with other clients (with the Satoshi client, you have to re-backup your wallet every 100 transactions). Being able to print the backup makes it even more robust (visually verifiable, easier to store).
- The multiple-wallet interface is an extremely high-demand feature from users all over the forum. And it is especially useful for businesses that want to segregate their books/funds.
- Key import & sweep is a feature that had a $500 bounty from Casascius on the D&TD forums, because of how useful it is (and Armory is the first application to do it).
- Watching-only wallets enabling you to separate private and public keys gives a level security that is unmatched, both for users and businesses. Maybe you're not concerned about security, but other users are. Especially businesses, which can now give employees watching-only wallets for collecting and verifying payments, but the employer with the full wallet is the only person that can spend the funds.
- Multi-signature transactions, with contracts, are going to be a critical addition to the Bitcoin network. It will enable a new world of functionality for parties to do business with one another. But it's also very complicated, and going to require a very innovative interface to bring that capability to the users.
On top of that, Armory is not strictly focused on the desktop. It may be right now, while I get the core functionality implemented. But my intention has always been to make smartphone apps, too. But that needs the features I built into the desktop: two-factor authentication w/ smartphone will require deterministic, watching-only wallets, and that just doesn't exist anywhere else.
I hope you will change your opinion of it. Either way, thanks for your donation. I am impressed that you donate despite your opinion of the effort.
Honestly, I really think that this kind of development is kind of waste of time. The "bitcoin wallet" software is pretty well solved problem. There exist numerous other bitcoin related projects & ideas, which could be much more important to the bitcoin project in general. Some of those projects could be even profitable businesses in the near future.
The bitcoin software is really two different things theo network handling.
o bitcoin wallet.
Gavin is making changes to the network side, but not necessarily the User Interaction side.
there are numerous enhancements that can be made to the client -
tx fees as transactions,
tx fees as separate column.
NOT one of the clients I've tested show tx fees as an integral part of the interface. How can you be expected to account properly?
maybe not everyone does or will care, but when the ui says a tx fee should be 0.01 (0.6rc1->settings|options ) what are new users supposed to do? why isn't there a network message from each miner saying that minimum tx should be 0.0005, or whatever the minimum they will accept?
QIF/OFX import/export
gnucash integration
mining pool integration (e.g. I can expect xx.yyBTC in z blocks time from )
folders for addresses (eg. keep all my onetime deposits to bitcoin-kamikaze in one folder, my deposits to intersango/cryptoxchange/mtgox/tradehill/bitcoinica in another.)
hide addresses
multiple private key import, qr codes
coderr's patch for anonymity which allows address selection
electrum doesn't show the max available balance that can be sent along with fee, so you have to chop your way to an answer, neither does bitcoin client 0.6rc.
bitcoin client uses berkeley db which has no native tools for repairs (cygwin has 4.5, but bitcoin client is 4.8 or 4.7), the python environment to run pywallet/walletco/bitcointools is DISASTROUS for anyone inexperienced.
sorting on addresses/dates
electrum doesn't allow address book selection from the send page - has to be from the contacts page.
marked
I sent a small donation, hope that you succeed.
Honestly, I really think that this kind of development is kind of waste of time. The "bitcoin wallet" software is pretty well solved problem. There exist numerous other bitcoin related projects & ideas, which could be much more important to the bitcoin project in general. Some of those projects could be even profitable businesses in the near future.
However, I appreciate every developer there is in the bitcoin project, and wish you a good luck
Honestly, I really think that this kind of development is kind of waste of time. The "bitcoin wallet" software is pretty well solved problem. There exist numerous other bitcoin related projects & ideas, which could be much more important to the bitcoin project in general. Some of those projects could be even profitable businesses in the near future.
However, I appreciate every developer there is in the bitcoin project, and wish you a good luck
Can I save my Armory wallet in a standard wallet.dat format readable by the Satoshi client? Will it work both for versions < 0.5.0 and > 0.5.0?
no.
armory wallet files are fundamentally different from those of the original client. all addresses are generated from an initial seed value. that way the wallet file doesnt have to include the actual addresses. it stays small and backups automatically include all future addresses you use.
you could still fake a conversion to a standard wallet.dat, but this copy would always include only a finite number of addresses. plus you cant convert it back.
the implementation is also different since armory doesnt use berkely db. i guess its still possible but might be a lot of work. i think there is quite a lot of stuff to work on thats more important than that.
Good luck with your crowdfunding campaign etotheipi !
Half a dozen BTC is winging its way to you as I type.
:-)
Half a dozen BTC is winging its way to you as I type.
:-)
Can I save my Armory wallet in a standard wallet.dat format readable by the Satoshi client? Will it work both for versions < 0.5.0 and > 0.5.0?
This looks really interesting, I have never tested it thought. Maybe put a easy to download and install file up when you have a "stable" release? I have no clue thought.
I am still running bitcoin client 0.3.23-beta ..I want to download your armory client but don't want to update too often.
Donating one btc thought to help a little bit
I am still running bitcoin client 0.3.23-beta ..I want to download your armory client but don't want to update too often.
Donating one btc thought to help a little bit
Bumping. I'm poor but I made a token 0.05 BTC donation. Figured every little helps (and you get a bump if nothing else). Want to encourage those who are on the fence to make small donations too: this is where accepting BTC really pays off hopefully.
I will be donating. Out of town now but will come up with a figure soon.
Alan Reiner works at a physics lab in Maryland.
I used to do undergraduate research here:
http://www.ireap.umd.edu/
Curious where Alan works.
I would bet cash money the work he's doing on Armory will benefit the world way more than any government funded research he's doing for a living.
I hope he/you get your donations so that you can do it full-time!
I used to do undergraduate research here:
http://www.ireap.umd.edu/
Curious where Alan works.
I would bet cash money the work he's doing on Armory will benefit the world way more than any government funded research he's doing for a living.
I hope he/you get your donations so that you can do it full-time!
>$12,000
Sadly, Bitcoin development is this expensive at the moment. You couldn't get Russian coders to build this cheaper than that.
I mean, you could but you would need to log their every move and yell at them over Skype constantly; that would be a lot of sweat and tears.
Sadly, Bitcoin development is this expensive at the moment. You couldn't get Russian coders to build this cheaper than that.
I mean, you could but you would need to log their every move and yell at them over Skype constantly; that would be a lot of sweat and tears.
well then, consider it a bargain. there aren't too many ppl around here as brilliant as eto and this product has incredible potential.
qft!
i think if you had to put a number to the value of current armory codebase its probably somewhere in the range between 100k-500k usd. for example it has 23k lines of code according to etotheipi. if you put something like 10k logical lines of code (just an estimate) into the cocomo model you end put with an estimated production cost of 270k usd and 27 months of work. of course that doesnt say anything about the actual code quality, the amount of original and innovative work he has done (alot imho), how well its documented and so forth. but i think it still gives some indication of the actual value his work would have as contract work.
due to the amount of innovation armory contains the value for bitcoin as a whole will likely be much higher in the end.
Yup anyone that has had an even slightly complex custom program or app coded in or for an enterprise environment would know that 12k is nothing.
Haven't checked this out yet but it sounds good. Thanks for the work so far eto.
...it has 23k lines of code according to etotheipi...
Btw, it's been a while since I added it up, so I just re-ran "wc" across all the files I created myself:
- 20,000 lines in .py files (including unit tests)
- 11,000 lines in .h and .cpp files
That's 31,000 lines, including empty lines and comments. And I do have tons of comments. But, I've always been taught if you spend a lot of time writing comments, you deserve to have those lines counted in your favor
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