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And I understand that the emergence of AI and its wonderful applications in work is really effective to help people run their lives more quickly, instead of being afraid that it will replace people in the workplace in some areas, learn how to use and control it.
Corps does not give a crap about control and the limit of how can they use AI. They'll use it whatever they want as the end user. If it means by saving money for the company and not needing of people working on it, they would use it over and over.
That's what AI is for anyway. People say that it's to ease the process of something that's normally done manual, but they forgot that it kinda cuts the job for people on whatever industry they're specializing.

Quite ironic that programmers (well even me), are working our asses off to lead ourselves out of our own job through automation.

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I kinda have mixed feelings for this. Sure, it would kind of help those unemployed survive since they can afford their basic needs but knowing that it isn't the same as before where luxury is also part that you can spend your money at.
Just my rough upfront feeling. I never heard of this UBI before.
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- However, I'm not sure what can be allowed, for example, to engage in the complex development of a large project. My area is IT, and here he is, well, to put it mildly, not a "star" everywhere.

Most companies have strict information secrecy rules put in place that prevents employees from sending confidential company data to 3rd-party servers. Since ChatGPT is trained on some of the questions you asked it, that means it could potentially leak intellectual property secrets, which is why places like Samsung have already banned its use internally - and also why white-collar jobs aren't in immediate danger ( the blue collar jobs though, I would be more worried for them as even automation can make them redundant).

This issue is not "discussed" at all, because REQUESTS (with partial data) and answers to them are on the "other side", and we do not know how their storage and post-processing is ensured! This one is like a "problem" of working with a search engine - you send a request to it, and then you start to be haunted by advertising that you are somewhere when you asked, and maybe even as a joke Smiley

But I had in mind a slightly different nuance: I already wrote that this system can hardly be called a full-fledged intelligence. This is an intellectual superstructure over a huge knowledge base, systematized and collected knowledge and data. But this does not guarantee, for example, writing error-free code, for example, to control a nuclear power plant, or an aircraft! Yes, the system writes simple code quite well, and for example for Python - in compliance with all PEP XXX, but this is an application where errors are not critical.
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I'm personally skeptical on the ability of machine learning/neural networks to fully replace humans. I think it's more likely that it will boost productivity by performing the more simple and routine tasks, but there will still be the need for human touch. People will lose jobs because now a professional will be able to do the work of 2 professionals, but AI won't do the work of all professionals.

We can point out AI's limitations and we cannot underestimate the capacity and capability of human to get the job done, the developers of these AIs' are not meant to replace human, they developed AI to be a tool to help human makes their job easier and simplified.

It just happens that AI works perfectly because humans aspire to create a perfect tool and because of that perfection, we think that AI will replace humans.

I don't want to think that we are going to be in Terminator-like scenarios, because AI is still limited, Thee AI cannot create AI they will never become creators of another AI and they should not be programmed to create another AI, because a human has insight that we called hunch or intuition while AI just relies on data.
We can't discount the magic of human ingenuity, and AI certainly has its flaws. Artificial intelligence was created by nerds in order to serve as a useful tool, not to steal the spotlight from us. Having him as our wingman has made everything easier. Don't get any Terminator ideas in your head. Artificial intelligence is capable, to be sure, but it won't start creating duplicates of itself any time soon. That's like hoping a microwave to produce a three-star meal: not gonna happen!

Our intuition is like a radar amid the fog of uncertainty; it's a superpower only humans possess. AI, bless its circuitry, is data-driven to a fault and lacks the creative flair that humans bring to the table. Let's toast the human-AI tag team, which allows us to reap the benefits of artificial intelligence's brute might while continuing to astound with our ingenuity, adaptability, and gut intuition.
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Saw this on a tiktok vid (I know lmao, way of a source to rely upon yeah?) but there is an optimistic approach to this scenario.

Soon as AI takes over all of our menial work, of course everyone's going to be unemployed and utter chaos will ensue as people will rush to break every bot they see, as if that's gonna solve the crisis. However, after the fog clears, governments around the world, left with no choice since everyone's unemployed and people have to be fed somehow, will establish the coveted, the long-awaited, Universal Basic Income. People will be paid for doing things that they like (free money) and this will uplift the standard of living everywhere. This also means that everyone can focus more on things that would advance the civilization's status, like solving starvation for areas that are far-reaching, providing healthcare, all that kind of stuff. It's a little unrealistic to some but I can see this happening. Tell me your thoughts.

Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@mulligan.tv/video/7091031836092157190
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AI is good, it works faster and cheaper and you can modify it on each layer which gives a wide range of features, Consider Chatgpt you can do literally as many things as you want with it. For example, I got a University Project importing data to Teradata and the data was quite big at least n my scale and there was a restriction it should be imported by manual process,

♣ Traditional Scripting
♣ Table creation
♣ Long Queries

So simple I just copied data and created queries and modified text with a few commands rest of the importing process was easy as the main work was managing and modifying the data as columns names, tables, etc. It took some time but worked for me. I will say that it's like fast food AI is good. But it's not much impressive because the currency efficiency level is limited as I said I also modified data with ChatGPT but out of 5 commands it works well with only 1 or 2 commands. It gives pretty average results currently I think white-collar jobs had no issue with AI for the future I am not sure.

Future targets of AI can be, but currently they are safe around 80% in my views.

♣ Devlopers
♣ Content writers
♣ Graphic designers
♣ SEO Experts

Ai writes, creates, develop decent but the quality which even an average developer creator and optimizer can provide it still much better then then the AI. Its good for quick works for Quality production there is still a decent time & developemnts required.
 
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That’s not even a valid statement anyways. There is no way AI will replace entire job line. Who would do the dirty jobs, who will replace the oil rig suction assembly, or who will manufacture the chips required to run the computers? AI won’t be able to do everything so let it be. The whole discussion is pointless. Just to add, I remembered Elon talking about AI being dangerous than nukes or something, why would he say it OR what’s that he knows that we don’t know. I still don’t believe that statement by the way.
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Last week I had a conversation with a teacher about the story of human progress. And this almost helped me change my view of many tools in life, about the content of the story about the fact that in the past people did not have many modern means of transportation, instead used Using traction from cattle or walking was the way to go, but with the advent of bicycles, motorbikes, cars, trains, ships, and planes, transportation became easier, and when the advent of the internet made connecting and sharing information very quickly. And I understand that the emergence of AI and its wonderful applications in work is really effective to help people run their lives more quickly, instead of being afraid that it will replace people in the workplace in some areas, learn how to use and control it.
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I'm personally skeptical on the ability of machine learning/neural networks to fully replace humans. I think it's more likely that it will boost productivity by performing the more simple and routine tasks, but there will still be the need for human touch. People will lose jobs because now a professional will be able to do the work of 2 professionals, but AI won't do the work of all professionals.

We can point out AI's limitations and we cannot underestimate the capacity and capability of human to get the job done, the developers of these AIs' are not meant to replace human, they developed AI to be a tool to help human makes their job easier and simplified.

It just happens that AI works perfectly because humans aspire to create a perfect tool and because of that perfection, we think that AI will replace humans.

I don't want to think that we are going to be in Terminator-like scenarios, because AI is still limited, Thee AI cannot create AI they will never become creators of another AI and they should not be programmed to create another AI, because a human has insight that we called hunch or intuition while AI just relies on data.
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I recently read a document that claims to be a leaked internal Google document called "We Have No Moat, And Neither Does OpenAI". I can't be sure of its authenticity, but I found the content to be quite interesting.
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- However, I'm not sure what can be allowed, for example, to engage in the complex development of a large project. My area is IT, and here he is, well, to put it mildly, not a "star" everywhere.

Most companies have strict information secrecy rules put in place that prevents employees from sending confidential company data to 3rd-party servers. Since ChatGPT is trained on some of the questions you asked it, that means it could potentially leak intellectual property secrets, which is why places like Samsung have already banned its use internally - and also why white-collar jobs aren't in immediate danger (the blue collar jobs though, I would be more worried for them as even automation can make them redundant).
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Participated in the testing of Chat-GPT in the early stages. And I have been using it for a long time (in relation to the history of this decision).
My personal opinion:
- Very cool assistant
- Gorgeous knowledge base with user-friendly human interface
- Sometimes a kind of creativity in creative tasks Smiley Probably everyone remembers about "salmon in the river" Smiley
- Helps to solve simple and intermediate level problems.
- I would not trust him with responsible decisions Smiley
- However, I'm not sure what can be allowed, for example, to engage in the complex development of a large project. My area is IT, and here he is, well, to put it mildly, not a "star" everywhere.
Although it is possible that when it becomes exactly Artificial Intelligence, the situation will change - unfortunately, here the human brain loses in terms of learning speed and the ability to process mega-volumes of various data...
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I'm personally skeptical on the ability of machine learning/neural networks to fully replace humans. I think it's more likely that it will boost productivity by performing the more simple and routine tasks, but there will still be the need for human touch.
If that's skeptical, I'm well beyond that point--if AI ever gets to the point where it can actually replace human beings in the workplace, capitalism is going to be completely redefined.  Probably corporations will have to pay an enormously high tax rate in order to support all the people unable to find jobs, which means bigger government and a world moving closer toward George Orwell's dystopian vision (though we're damn close to that already).

It's either that or Terminators start coming back from the future to kill Skynet in the crib.  But you know what?  By the time that happens, I'll have done that whole dust-to-dust thing and won't have to worry about it.  My condolences to future generations; technology really has given you an ass-reaming, even if the current generations haven't realized it yet.
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I agree with your personal point of view. AI and machine learning technologies can really automate certain tasks and improve the productivity, I think they cannot fully replace human skills and creativity. There will always be a need for human touch in areas such as decision-making, problem solving, and interpersonal communication. However, it is true that some jobs may become redundant because of the AI automation, but new job opportunities may also emerge as a result of technological advancements.
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I have tested ChatGPT for a few weeks and can say the following. I think in the very near future, at least 50% (this is a conservative estimate, possibly 80%) of white-collar workers working in commercial structures will have problems finding employment.
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The problem is that we often confuse learning systems/neural networks with artificial intelligence. These are completely different concepts and systems. And the goals are different.
ChatGPT can hardly be called an artificial intelligence or a "matrix" Smiley In fact, it is a huge repository of information that can find the right answers among trillions of blocks of information and formulate answers similar to human speech. A sort of Google search engine is a wrapped human-like interface for issuing search results.
Yes, neural networks and other technologies work here to collect and systematize primary information. But this system has no INTELLIGENCE.
I hope you have already seen this masterpiece: "The neural network was asked to draw a salmon swimming against the current. Well, she drew it."



In ChatGPT, the picture is much better, but the intelligence never appeared there. Since one of the areas I do is IT (development), and like everyone else I saw how ChatGPT "produces ready-made ideal code." I tried to set a task for him, something from the area "Write code so that when you click something, something opens somewhere." The system began to ask clarifying questions so that the problem statement was extremely accurately described in order to understand which "code from the knowledge base to take." If there is no clear statement of the problem, you will not receive any code. More precisely, if there is a place where there can be variability and you need to figure out the essence of the process yourself, ChatGPT will not help you. Therefore, if we talk about "replacement" - perhaps he will replace some of the "pioneers" of developers, who are essentially "translators" from human to programming language, not difficult tasks. Although I agree that as the system learns and the knowledge base accumulates, the level of "replacement" may rise

That's one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

I semi-agree on your statement about "intelligence" - it's just a complex term, and does not fully apply to what is considered intelligent in a human.
There are a lot of levels however, where it's already not possible to distinguish between an AI and a human creation - be that images or a text or any other sort of "creative" output.
With further adjustments / added filters and improved databases I think the gap towards something that feels identical to the interaction we would see from a human will become smaller and smaller and finally vanish. - Unless conscious efforts are made to preserve some sort of difference.

It doesn't matter that the way by which the output was reached has nothing to do with the way the "output" of a human works - If you cannot see the difference in the result anymore this will have massive impacts on human society. There's no way around it.
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AI has been a buzz word for long time, I still remember Deep Blue "beating" Kasparov and all. But I do not think that most white collar work can be achieved even in the next decade. It may be a close collaborator to white collars, basically removing the need to do the repetitive bits of the work. I am kind of happy that google guesses half of the time what I am going to write... but still is only 50% Smiley

Yes, it seems the most likely outcome is that AI will boost efficiency of existing workers rather than fully replacing them. Which still means that hundreds of millions will lose jobs. And if tech companies will have high profit margins due to boosted productivity, maybe high taxation and wealth redistribution will become more viable than it is now. Plus I think some entirely new job opportunities will be emerging with new technologies and trends, so humanity is not doomed like some people like to say.

If you look globally, then the problem of Mankind is not in the lack of jobs, but in the slowdown in population growth and the lack of new undeveloped territories. 

The history of scientific and technological progress is directly related to the growth of the population of the planet Earth. 

However, this growth has been exponential.  The larger the population of the Earth, the more smart people among them, the more smart people, the more scientists, researchers, mathematicians, engineers, visionaries, futurologists, philosophers.  Currently, the growth of the world's population has begun to slow down. 

As a result, there was a risk of slowing down scientific and technological progress. 

However, neural networks will come to the aid of humanity!  Modern scientists will have tireless and smart assistants at their disposal to help make new scientific discoveries!
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I have seen it writing near perfect code. When you don’t like a certain part, it modifies that part and comes  up with a better one. It is definitely not a copy/paste search engine.

In the end it is just a tool and can be as smart as its user.

When you tell it to write a poem, it will bring a crap generic poem. When you give it lots of details it will write a way more detailed and original poem.

I agree. The fact that ChatGPT is working flawlessly is extremely impressive. But in order to create a massive supply chain of data for AI, it also squeezes out human labor based on whatever aspect is a problem. I think to use human labor -> increase the risk of unemployment and job loss for workers correspondingly inhumane. And because it's a tool, it can create 2 sets of opposite faces with replaced code snippets. After all, AI is also a technology that allows humans to form and apply based on the end goal. Suddenly want to see the movie about rebellious robots. Lol
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AI has been a buzz word for long time, I still remember Deep Blue "beating" Kasparov and all. But I do not think that most white collar work can be achieved even in the next decade. It may be a close collaborator to white collars, basically removing the need to do the repetitive bits of the work. I am kind of happy that google guesses half of the time what I am going to write... but still is only 50% Smiley

Yes, it seems the most likely outcome is that AI will boost efficiency of existing workers rather than fully replacing them. Which still means that hundreds of millions will lose jobs. And if tech companies will have high profit margins due to boosted productivity, maybe high taxation and wealth redistribution will become more viable than it is now. Plus I think some entirely new job opportunities will be emerging with new technologies and trends, so humanity is not doomed like some people like to say.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/chatgpt-ai-economy-automation-jobs/672767/

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In the next five years, it is likely that AI will begin to reduce employment for college-educated workers. As the technology continues to advance, it will be able to perform tasks that were previously thought to require a high level of education and skill. This could lead to a displacement of workers in certain industries, as companies look to cut costs by automating processes. While it is difficult to predict the exact extent of this trend, it is clear that AI will have a significant impact on the job market for college-educated workers. It will be important for individuals to stay up to date on the latest developments in AI and to consider how their skills and expertise can be leveraged in a world where machines are increasingly able to perform many tasks.

I'm personally skeptical on the ability of machine learning/neural networks to fully replace humans. I think it's more likely that it will boost productivity by performing the more simple and routine tasks, but there will still be the need for human touch. People will lose jobs because now a professional will be able to do the work of 2 professionals, but AI won't do the work of all professionals.

AI has been a buzz word for long time, I still remember Deep Blue "beating" Kasparov and all. But I do not think that most white collar work can be achieved even in the next decade. It may be a close collaborator to white collars, basically removing the need to do the repetitive bits of the work. I am kind of happy that google guesses half of the time what I am going to write... but still is only 50% Smiley

This is just the beginning...

We are entering an era of technological singularity.  Technologies begin to develop so quickly that after a while a person will no longer understand the principle of their work. 

Suppose that after some time, the developers will enable the ChatGPT and midjourney neural networks to communicate directly (without human mediation).  These neural networks will invent a new language for communicating with each other and begin to evolve rapidly.  At the same time, a person will not understand either the language of communication of these neural networks, or the final result of their work. 

Human interaction with such systems is well described in Stanislav Lem's legendary novel "Solaris".
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/chatgpt-ai-economy-automation-jobs/672767/

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In the next five years, it is likely that AI will begin to reduce employment for college-educated workers. As the technology continues to advance, it will be able to perform tasks that were previously thought to require a high level of education and skill. This could lead to a displacement of workers in certain industries, as companies look to cut costs by automating processes. While it is difficult to predict the exact extent of this trend, it is clear that AI will have a significant impact on the job market for college-educated workers. It will be important for individuals to stay up to date on the latest developments in AI and to consider how their skills and expertise can be leveraged in a world where machines are increasingly able to perform many tasks.

I'm personally skeptical on the ability of machine learning/neural networks to fully replace humans. I think it's more likely that it will boost productivity by performing the more simple and routine tasks, but there will still be the need for human touch. People will lose jobs because now a professional will be able to do the work of 2 professionals, but AI won't do the work of all professionals.

AI has been a buzz word for long time, I still remember Deep Blue "beating" Kasparov and all. But I do not think that most white collar work can be achieved even in the next decade. It may be a close collaborator to white collars, basically removing the need to do the repetitive bits of the work. I am kind of happy that google guesses half of the time what I am going to write... but still is only 50% Smiley
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