As it turns out, Craig Wright actually is Satoshi! - page 5.

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Quote from: deisik on February 02, 2017, 04:40:27 PM

These are no more than just idle talks

I created a thread about a year ago telling basically the same, that "21 million cap is not so much written in stone". My main point was that what is done by one human being can be undone by another human being. But that thread was quickly filled with angry comments and I myself was just as quickly labelled as a heretic and traitor. I'm still keeping to the same view but seeing how miners are loath to accept changes that could even slightly undermine their profits (e.g. changing the notorious blocksize), this is utterly irrelevant what the so-called bitcoin elites are discussing now

You know what Satoshi would say? He would say "ya we can change it easy, just set it at x block" then he would leave and never address such irrational debate again.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on February 02, 2017, 02:03:16 PM

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Quote from: Gleb Gamow on February 02, 2017, 01:53:46 PM

You can throw that premise out the window with Craig Wright Jr.'s bath water given that if I've done the math correctly, currently, bitcoins can be subdivided to eight decimal places, viz. 0.00000001, but in the future could be coded to nine decimal places - 0.000000001 - thus ten times more units negating "a stable supply". Similarly, ten decimal places, eleven, twelve, etc., depending on worldwide demand.

That said, this latest revelation is fucking with me and Vlad. Somebody get me an apple.

I don't think that would change anything. You know why its fucking you up. Because you need to introduce into your core beliefs the concept of a stable metric of value. If there are 21 million bitcoin's and you make them more divisible, this doesn't necessarily effect the value of a bitcoin in the way you are implying.

And FYI there are already talks by major bitcoin elites about how the 21 million cap is not so much written in stone.

These are no more than just idle talks

I created a thread about a year ago telling basically the same, that "21 million cap is not so much written in stone". My main point was that what is done by one human being can be undone by another human being. But that thread was quickly filled with angry comments and I myself was just as quickly labelled as a heretic and traitor. I'm still keeping to the same view but seeing how miners are loath to accept changes that could even slightly undermine their profits (e.g. changing the notorious blocksize), this is utterly irrelevant what the so-called bitcoin elites are discussing now

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on February 02, 2017, 02:28:40 PM

I agree about that being that the main guy is Ver. But you can't ignore his influence.

that guy is rusty russel
introducing 4 more decimals in his LN (millisatoshi)
https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=millisatoshi

its starting to become very funny that every action blockstream employee's propose is being pointed in every direction away from blockstream.

EG gmaxwell loving bilateral splits..
every blockstream centralists says other implementations want bilateral splits.
yet other implementations refuse to split.

Quote from: gmaxwell on October 18, 2016, 03:21:30 AM

What you are describing is what I and others call a bilateral hardfork-- where both sides reject the other.

I tried to convince the authors of BIP101 to make their proposal bilateral by requiring the sign bit be set in the version in their blocks (existing nodes require it to be unset). Sadly, the proposals authors were aggressively against this.

The ethereum hardfork was bilateral, probably the only thing they did right--

even funnier
blockstream centralists fear other implementations splitting the network.. yet every argument they have is demanding other implementations to Fork Off and make their altcoin....

im guessing they are trying self fulfilling prophecy that if they nag for it enough they can make other implementations do it.. then blame the other implementations for doing it.. (facepalm)

and it seems they dont even realise the words they are speaking. like empty drones repeating scripts without understanding what they are saying or researching the truth.

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Is that post for real? Haha.

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Speaking of a dead ~~parrot~~ cat and some other cat owner renown for baking ~~cookies~~ apple pies (above) ...

http://seclists.org/basics/2008/Mar/147

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RE: Defamation and the diffculties of law on the Internet.

From: "dave kleiman"

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:25:13 -0400

Hats off to you Craig,

Sometimes you amaze me....I literally today just took on a case today
dealing exactly with this, you are making my life easy as I am gathering
(with your permission) this information you have provided for my client's
review.
When this becomes public record, I will post-up the results.

I will take any more information on this subject with great enthusiasm and
appreciation, as always!!!

By the way, for those of you who have never asked for Craig's help, you do
not know what you are missing.
I have asked his research assistance more than once. One particular time it
was dealing with abilities of cookies on the server side, when I awoke the
next morning, I had 100's of pages and links of information on that subject,
and variations and ideas I had not even or forgotten to consider (e.g. web
bugs). Why did he help, for no other than reason than he just likes to
research information, and possibly considers me a friend from afar. He
probably had as much fun reading up on the subject as did.
And along with all the technical details he included this:

Cookie Recipe Ingredients:
125 grams butter
50 grams caster sugar
60 grams brown sugar
1 large egg
1 teaspoon vanilla essence/extract
125 grams of plain flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon bicarbonate of soda
250 grams of chocolate (Dark is best for this)
1/2 cup coarsely chopped almonds

Method: Turn your oven on to preheat at 180 degrees Celsius (about 350
degrees Fahrenheit, gas mark 4). Remember to take your grill pan out first.
Now get some baking trays ready (if they're not non-stick then you better
line them or grease them)......................Hey Presto! The world's BEST
cookies, in the comfort of your own home.

In the midst of this data exchange I casually mentioned that one day, when I
was in the position to not have to work so much, I would return to school
and my dream degrees in Cosmology and Astrophysics. Of course, the next day
I had links to every online study available for those degrees, with a "why
wait wink."

Further, it amazes me how Craig has a Blog helping to understand the rights
of US based Digital Forensic Examiners:
http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/2008/01/texas-pi-fud.html
And he is based in AU. He simply cares enough about the cause and the
industry to help, it has no direct affect on him if US DFEs are required to
have PI licenses!!

People of the past considered "Loons":
(Feynman, Hawking, Sagan, da Vinci, Einstein, Columbus, everyone associated
with Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
Black Knight: Right, I'll do you for that!
King Arthur: You'll what?
Black Knight: Come here!
King Arthur: What are you gonna do, bleed on me?
Black Knight: I'm invincible!
King Arthur: ...You're a loony.
.......you get the picture)

Yep Craig is a Junkie; a Knowledge Junkie!!!!

For those of you who have nothing good to say; why say anything?

Dave

Respectfully,

Dave Kleiman - http://www.davekleiman.com
4371 Northlake Blvd #314
Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410
561.310.8801

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https://web.archive.org/web/20151119111410/http://lynn-downunder.blogspot.com

"Hey, Reeses, Tibanne here. What's happening there down under with you and Peanut? Craig been treatin' you guys okay like Mark treats me here in Japan?"

"Dear, Tibanne. Goofers here. I regret to inform that Reeses' not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This cat is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! 'E's pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!He's f*ckin' snuffed it!..... REESES IS AN EX-CAT!!"

"Tibanne, this is Flame, to let you know that Goofers speaketh the truth. Reeses and I were fairly close."

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The other important thing to note is that its basically the same crowd implicating Wright that says things like they might remove the cap in the future and that bitcoin needs to scale and core has hijacked it. The same crowd that refuses to use standard definitions for words and often conflates polar opposite meanings for key words in the same sentence.

I get an overwhelming feeling there are a lot of people that think they created bitcoin and have yet to realize they were only lead to believe that they did.

There is an implication that "Satoshi" needn't understand economics or the macro-economic implications of bitcoin, and this is only perpetuated because the general bitcoin community has little to zero understanding of these subjects.

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/

This paper doesn't belong on a satoshi school dot org. It's ridiculous.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on February 02, 2017, 02:28:40 PM

I agree about that being that the main guy is Ver. But you can't ignore his influence.

Well no, you can't when every bitcoin media outlet is perpetuating his narrative (hmm wonder why that is?), but in another sense, from a rational perspective, its not possible for him or his or another faction to change bitcoin in these ways. Ignorance is a limited phenomenon, so entropy builds up which is effectively a resistance to change. It's getting harder not easier, and soon as our money systems begin to stabilize (because bitcoin will be a digital gold not a coffee money) and then Nash's insight from ideal money will start to make sense and become relevant.

There is really only one way for it to play out, which is quite based on reason, as to why it would do so in this way.

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Quote from: traincarswreck on February 02, 2017, 02:26:17 PM

Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on February 02, 2017, 02:03:16 PM

And FYI there are already talks by major bitcoin elites about how the 21 million cap is not so much written in stone.

Those people are irrational and have never read a book on economics, and they can't hold a candle to me in a debate on this subject.

I agree about that being that the main guy is Ver. But you can't ignore his influence.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on February 02, 2017, 02:03:16 PM

And FYI there are already talks by major bitcoin elites about how the 21 million cap is not so much written in stone.

Those people are irrational and have never read a book on economics, and they can't hold a candle to me in a debate on this subject.

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Quote from: traincarswreck on February 02, 2017, 01:59:10 PM

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on February 02, 2017, 01:53:46 PM

You can throw that premise out the window with Craig Wright Jr.'s bath water given that if I've done the math correctly, currently, bitcoins can be subdivided to eight decimal places, viz. 0.00000001, but in the future could be coded to nine decimal places - 0.000000001 - thus ten times more units negating "a stable supply". Similarly, ten decimal places, eleven, twelve, etc., depending on worldwide demand.

That said, this latest revelation is fucking with me and Vlad. Somebody get me an apple.

I don't think that would change anything. You know why its fucking you up. Because you need to introduce into your core beliefs the concept of a stable metric of value. If there are 21 million bitcoin's and you make them more divisible, this doesn't necessarily effect the value of a bitcoin in the way you are implying.

I was alluding to the Satoshi-poker connection that was fucking me and Vlad up, the latest revelation. Apologies for the mix-up. Thanks for clarification on the other, for sometimes I go beyond just pretending to be a Dumb-ass. Tongue

I now see others have tried to correct me. Thanks, all.

Now back to this poker connection that has Vlad and I terribly upset. Cry

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Quote from: traincarswreck on February 02, 2017, 01:59:10 PM

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on February 02, 2017, 01:53:46 PM

You can throw that premise out the window with Craig Wright Jr.'s bath water given that if I've done the math correctly, currently, bitcoins can be subdivided to eight decimal places, viz. 0.00000001, but in the future could be coded to nine decimal places - 0.000000001 - thus ten times more units negating "a stable supply". Similarly, ten decimal places, eleven, twelve, etc., depending on worldwide demand.

That said, this latest revelation is fucking with me and Vlad. Somebody get me an apple.

I don't think that would change anything. You know why its fucking you up. Because you need to introduce into your core beliefs the concept of a stable metric of value. If there are 21 million bitcoin's and you make them more divisible, this doesn't necessarily effect the value of a bitcoin in the way you are implying.

And FYI there are already talks by major bitcoin elites about how the 21 million cap is not so much written in stone.

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Quote from: Gleb Gamow on February 02, 2017, 01:53:46 PM

You can throw that premise out the window with Craig Wright Jr.'s bath water given that if I've done the math correctly, currently, bitcoins can be subdivided to eight decimal places, viz. 0.00000001, but in the future could be coded to nine decimal places - 0.000000001 - thus ten times more units negating "a stable supply". Similarly, ten decimal places, eleven, twelve, etc., depending on worldwide demand.

That said, this latest revelation is fucking with me and Vlad. Somebody get me an apple.

Sorry, Gleb. The supply is only increased when a block subsidy is generated in a coinbase transaction, currently 12.5 BTC every 10 minutes (on average). Whether that 12.5 BTC comes in the form of 1.25 billion sats or in the form of 12.5 billion Gleb-sats (tenths of a sat) is irrelevant to the amount of supply increase. Both represent 12.5 BTC.

After the year 2120 or so (when the last BTC has been generated), the supply will never increase. Cutting a sat into ten little pieces (which is equivalent to selling something like "ten Gleb autographs for 1 sat") is not an increase in supply.

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extra zero is stable supply. just liitler bits

but the code is not so easy to add zero to.
not floating point and this need hard fork to make large number zeros

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Quote from: Gleb Gamow on February 02, 2017, 01:53:46 PM

You can throw that premise out the window with Craig Wright Jr.'s bath water given that if I've done the math correctly, currently, bitcoins can be subdivided to eight decimal places, viz. 0.00000001, but in the future could be coded to nine decimal places - 0.000000001 - thus ten times more units negating "a stable supply". Similarly, ten decimal places, eleven, twelve, etc., depending on worldwide demand.

That said, this latest revelation is fucking with me and Vlad. Somebody get me an apple.

I don't think that would change anything. You know why its fucking you up. Because you need to introduce into your core beliefs the concept of a stable metric of value. If there are 21 million bitcoin's and you make them more divisible, this doesn't necessarily effect the value of a bitcoin in the way you are implying.

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Quote from: traincarswreck on February 02, 2017, 12:16:09 PM

Quote from: olubams on February 02, 2017, 12:04:45 PM

Quote from: RawDog on January 26, 2017, 04:34:17 PM

WTF? This is turning out to be pretty weird. Why is the world starting to accept this as fact all of the sudden?
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-new-satoshi-nakamoto-rumors/

I really dont understand the reason behind this sudden interest in who Satoshi is or was? The crypto world is moving forward, bitcoin is leaving to expectation despite challenges here and there and people have looked for him and tired of looking for him. For crying out loud let the man or woman enjoys his labour or effort. In the near future someone else will do another 'investigative journalism' and claim someone else is the real Satoshi and others are fakes...

Exactly, its fake news. Think about and the timing. If the world was really interested they would be talking about Nash's essays about how an international e-currency with a stable supply would asymptotically take power from central banks to arbitrarily print money.

The Wright news was clearly a coordinated stunt pulled probably by a group that Wright got to believe it is "likely" Satoshi. They think they are being benevolent but its simply because they are "in the know" and are corrupted by the power of it.

You can throw that premise out the window with Craig Wright Jr.'s bath water given that if I've done the math correctly, currently, bitcoins can be subdivided to eight decimal places, viz. 0.00000001, but in the future could be coded to nine decimal places - 0.000000001 - thus ten times more units negating "a stable supply". Similarly, ten decimal places, eleven, twelve, etc., depending on worldwide demand.

That said, this latest revelation is fucking with me and Vlad. Somebody get me an apple.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on February 02, 2017, 01:20:25 PM

That never made sense so either Wright is crazy or he is Satoshi and is devilishly shrewd to have fooled everyone that he is not Satoshi when in fact he is.

Muhahaha ... YMMD! Cheesy

Wait until I find his keys, then I will prove that I am Satoshi. But not before. Before that event I am not Satoshi.
This is where quantum theory meets Bitcoin.

Rico

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Why don't we find holes or explanations for the evidence of are yiu all still busy worshipping a mortal?

If wright felt that the feds were close to finding him then what better way to hide Satoshi than to fail mserably at proving he's satoshi? It makes sense then how he was able to fool Garvin and Matonis but then fail the most simple of tests. That never made sense so either Wright is crazy or he is Satoshi and is devilishly shrewd to have fooled everyone that he is not Satoshi when in fact he is.

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