ASICBOOST Aftermath: What Now Must Be Done? - page 3.

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Quote from: andron8383 on April 06, 2017, 03:51:10 PM

Hahaha... fucking yea.
Gettin out of busnes companies that not use assic boost tech to cheat is bullshit.
With those miners hmm one asic company that they profit depend on not including segwit technology is joke. They don't want activate segwit to not lose profit same time they won't make any good progress and bug fixes because they want keep patented asics going.
Whole situation is in deep shit at end i have more respect to Core/Blockstreem than for Jihad miner company. Etherum will eat those big blockers without any knowledge about codding.
Whole fight about crypto scene will end faster than it start. Whole bullshit how BU devs are is joke.
Bitcoin won't go forward without good DEVs and Core are much better than BU for sure.
Give Jihad year more of trolling and he will get less than ETH gpu miners.

Here is another shining example of a shill, when the shill can't refute the facts you posted, they just quote you anyway and repeat the same bullshit.

Watch how he even began his reply by "Fucking yea" hoping people is so fucking stupid they'd actually think I was agreeing with the bullshit that follows.

Again, the shilling is too fucking stupid and too fucking obvious.

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Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 06, 2017, 03:34:58 PM

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Anyone who've followed Bitcoin news for longer than a week and still can't see this ASICBoost non-issue is just the same regurgitated half digested bullshit Blockstream pulled out off their collective ass, is either intentionally dishonest or just a complete dumb fuck.

Hahaha... fucking yea.
Gettin out of busnes companies that not use assic boost tech to cheat is bullshit.
With those miners hmm one asic company that they profit depend on not including segwit technology is joke. They don't want activate segwit to not lose profit same time they won't make any good progress and bug fixes because they want keep patented asics going.
Whole situation is in deep shit at end i have more respect to Core/Blockstreem than for Jihad miner company. Etherum will eat those big blockers without any knowledge about codding.
Whole fight about crypto scene will end faster than it start. Whole bullshit how BU devs are is joke.
Bitcoin won't go forward without good DEVs and Core are much better than BU for sure.
Give Jihad year more of trolling and he will get less than ETH gpu miners.

I don't give a fuck to miners that they all wasn't is $$$ at all cost even reckting industry.
Yea today we have 2 asics companies. One control 70% of market this is BTC problem and BTC fell that shit in price even. Every time Jihad open mouths price is getting down Cheesy

Only way to get rid of this cancer is USAF and like 51% activation. Then let BU have their own fork and lets move forward. Jihad will have own unlimited coin without devs without any progress...
Yea he can copy from CORE something... they not making patents.

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Quote from: ebliever on April 06, 2017, 03:31:37 PM

If you are referring to my proposal to decentralize mining again, I'm not in ANY way connected with Blockstream, or Core or anything. Not so much as a single PM shared with a Core dev ever, for example. You are just railing against an average member of the bitcoin community with your tirade.

No, I was simply referring to your fucking idiotic 'summary'.

Quote from: ebliever on April 06, 2017, 03:31:37 PM

Your side has lost, and is just digging a deeper hole for itself with every new denial, lie and obfuscation. I encourage newbies and those who have not followed this issue closely to read all that BU has to say - and also what the rest of us have to say, the reporting in the media and so forth. I rather doubt you'll be happy with their reaction once "Joe Average" digests it all.

What side? What the fuck are you even on about? Have you even read my earlier posts?
Even if you haven't, I am just pointing out facts here, but you're against facts that's why you think I am on the other 'side'.

See, this is the kind of scripted shilling bullshit that are just too fucking obvious.

Let's look at your bullshit 'summary' again:

Quote from: ebliever on April 06, 2017, 03:31:37 PM

Summary of the situation: Bitmain has been producing and mining with ASICs using an exploit that gives them a dramatic advantage over competing miners. This exploit is incompatible with Segwit, so Bitcoin Unlimited was created to gin up the appearance of public opposition to Core and place monopoly control over bitcoin mining and the protocol in the hands of Bitmain and associates.

Tell me genius, if the ASICBoost is incompatible to both SegWit and Ext Block, and Bitmain supported SegWit and now supports Ext Block, then how the fuck could you possibly jump to that idiotic conclusion base on 'This exploit is incompatible with Segwit'?

How the fuck does your mind even work?

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 06, 2017, 03:31:49 PM

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:26:34 PM

I still think that we should work towards those goals, and not create a civil war amongst ourselves. I think we all want Bitcoin to thrive and suceed.

I try every day to have civil discussions based on facts. I don't always succeed, sometimes I lose my cool.

I don't know if its paid shilling, non-paid shilling or brainwashing, but its very frustrating to try
to have the dialogue.

For example, the Lightening Network still requires large blocks (it says that in the whitepaper).
But you have people arguing against bigger blocks and for LN, and just repeating the
same thing over and over like Alex is talking about.

There's a few people that I disagree with but I can still have a conversation
with and then there's a lot of shills/idiots.

That's fine. I completely understand that, and I don't doubt that there are shills trying to promote one side or the other.

Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 06, 2017, 03:34:58 PM

Let me rephrase:
Anyone who've followed Bitcoin news for longer than a week and still can't see this ASICBoost non-issue is just the same regurgitated half digested bullshit Blockstream pulled out off their collective ass, is either intentionally dishonest or just a complete dumb fuck.

Anyone who has a different opinion than yours, or that doesn't have an opinion, is either intentionally dishonest or just a complete dumb fuck. Got it.

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Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:29:11 PM

Let me rephrase:

I personally have never said or accused or agreed to any accusation that BITMAIN is employing ASICBOOST for any purpose. Please do not accuse me of being a shill.

I am just chiming in to express my opinion on how divided the bitcoin community is, nothing else.

Let me rephrase:
Anyone who've followed Bitcoin news for longer than a week and still can't see this ASICBoost non-issue is just the same regurgitated half digested bullshit Blockstream pulled out off their collective ass, is either intentionally dishonest or just a complete dumb fuck.

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Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:26:34 PM

I still think that we should work towards those goals, and not create a civil war amongst ourselves. I think we all want Bitcoin to thrive and suceed.

I try every day to have civil discussions based on facts. I don't always succeed, sometimes I lose my cool.

I don't know if its paid shilling, non-paid shilling or brainwashing, but its very frustrating to try
to have the dialogue.

For example, the Lightening Network still requires large blocks (it says that in the whitepaper).
But you have people arguing against bigger blocks and for LN, and just repeating the
same thing over and over like Alex is talking about.

There's a few people that I disagree with but I can still have a conversation
with and then there's a lot of shills/idiots.

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Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 06, 2017, 02:49:02 PM

I see we have our new "Blockstream's lie of the week", this time the enemy is the ASICs, again.

If you are referring to my proposal to decentralize mining again, I'm not in ANY way connected with Blockstream, or Core or anything. Not so much as a single PM shared with a Core dev ever, for example. You are just railing against an average member of the bitcoin community with your tirade.

Your side has lost, and is just digging a deeper hole for itself with every new denial, lie and obfuscation. I encourage newbies and those who have not followed this issue closely to read all that BU has to say - and also what the rest of us have to say, the reporting in the media and so forth. I rather doubt you'll be happy with their reaction once "Joe Average" digests it all.

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Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 06, 2017, 03:24:15 PM

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:17:44 PM

It seems to me that you are also accusing me of being a shill, when I have never expressed my viewpoint on this debate. I am merely exhausted from all of the infighting within the bitcoin community, and I'd prefer things to me negotiated in an amicable way, instead of calling each other retarded.

I am describing what I am seeing, a bunch of stupid fucks agreeing to an obvious smear campaign base on something the other guy didn't even fucking do.

When people keep making idiotic statements where the stats don't check out, the facts don't check out, the historic facts are ignored, even fucking common sense is ignored, these people are by definition fucking morons.

You don't negotiate when the other idiot keep repeating 1+1=3, if he's simply uninformed, fine, learn the truth and move on, but when the same facts have already been explained over and over again, and they keep repeating the same bullshit, that is not a discussion, that is a shill operation, and shills deserve to be trashed for spreading bullshit nonstop.

Let me rephrase:

I personally have never said or accused or agreed to any accusation that BITMAIN is employing ASICBOOST for any purpose. Please do not accuse me of being a shill.

I am just chiming in to express my opinion on how divided the bitcoin community is, nothing else.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 06, 2017, 03:22:35 PM

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:17:44 PM

It seems to me that you are also accusing me of being a shill, when I have never expressed my viewpoint on this debate. I am merely exhausted from all of the infighting within the bitcoin community, and I'd prefer things to me negotiated in an amicable way, instead of calling each other retarded.

Negotiated...yeah...

well there was the 2mb/segwit...Core didnt like it

extension blocks...Core didnt like it

EC patch on core...Core didnt like it

Do you see the pattern -- Core duddnt like nuttin but Greg's roadmap... This makes negotiation a little tough, dont you think?

Extension Blocks is something new; I think we should give them a bit more time on that. I understand what you mean with the others, but I still think that we should work towards those goals, and not create a civil war amongst ourselves. I think we all want Bitcoin to thrive and suceed.

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Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:17:44 PM

It seems to me that you are also accusing me of being a shill, when I have never expressed my viewpoint on this debate. I am merely exhausted from all of the infighting within the bitcoin community, and I'd prefer things to me negotiated in an amicable way, instead of calling each other retarded.

I am describing what I am seeing, a bunch of stupid fucks agreeing to an obvious smear campaign base on something the other guy didn't even fucking do.

When people keep making idiotic statements where the stats don't check out, the facts don't check out, the historic facts are ignored, even fucking common sense is ignored, these people are by definition fucking morons.

You don't negotiate when the other idiot keep repeating 1+1=3, if he's simply uninformed, fine, learn the truth and move on, but when the same facts have already been explained over and over again, and they keep repeating the same bullshit, that is not a discussion, that is a shill operation, and shills deserve to be trashed for spreading bullshit nonstop.

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Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:17:44 PM

It seems to me that you are also accusing me of being a shill, when I have never expressed my viewpoint on this debate. I am merely exhausted from all of the infighting within the bitcoin community, and I'd prefer things to me negotiated in an amicable way, instead of calling each other retarded.

Negotiated...yeah...

Gavin's original 8mb blocks...Core didnt like it

HK agreement...Core didnt like it

Flexcap/ABC... Core didnt like it

more recently:

2mb/segwit...Core didnt like it

extension blocks...Core didnt like it

EC patch on core...Core didnt like it

Do you see the pattern -- Core duddnt like nuttin but Greg's roadmap... This makes negotiation a little tough, dont you think?

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Quote from: alyssa85 on April 06, 2017, 03:10:22 PM

Everyone in this situation is acting for personal gain. Everyone.

The last person who was acting for the good of the community was Gavin, but he stepped away several years ago, and we are where we are.

Do you have any facts to support both of your baseless assertions?

When one looks at Gavin's recent despicable behaviour, it's fairly clear that he was concealing a highly biased and bullying nature.

Why would a self-proclaimed free-marketeer, as Gavin Andresen does claim of himself, advocate brute force to remove competition from the marketplace? That's not acting in the community's interest, that's acting in the interest of the minority clique who wished to take the reins of Bitcoin for themselves.

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Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 06, 2017, 03:12:48 PM

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:06:35 PM

Does this imply that everything that comes out of your mouth is the truth?

If your IQ is below 50, yeah.

This is exactly what I mean. You have simply resorted to insults.

Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 06, 2017, 03:12:48 PM

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:06:35 PM

Does this imply that everything that comes out of your mouth is the truth?

If your IQ is below 50, yeah.

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:06:35 PM

All you have done in your post is accuse people in favour of SegWit to be "paid shills". This, in turn, would make people against BU think that you yourself are a paid shill. Why cause all the drama?

So you don't like it when someone else beat you at your own games? My points are backed by facts, their arguments are completely fucking retarded, proven wrong over and over again by facts, they just keep spewing the same moronic bullshits for months.

I find it hard to believe anyone can really stay that stupid for that long, unless it's their job to stay stupid.

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:06:35 PM

Can't we just have a civil discussion on why we are in favour of one proposal and not the other?

We have them, just not in this thread, this thread is just another bullshit shill script. 1000 words smearing attempt base on something Bitmain didn't even do.

It seems to me that you are also accusing me of being a shill, when I have never expressed my viewpoint on this debate. I am merely exhausted from all of the infighting within the bitcoin community, and I'd prefer things to me negotiated in an amicable way, instead of calling each other retarded.

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Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:06:35 PM

Does this imply that everything that comes out of your mouth is the truth?

If your IQ is below 50, yeah.

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:06:35 PM

All you have done in your post is accuse people in favour of SegWit to be "paid shills". This, in turn, would make people against BU think that you yourself are a paid shill. Why cause all the drama?

So you don't like it when someone else beat you at your own games? My points are backed by facts, the shills kept using arguments are completely fucking retarded, proven wrong over and over again by facts, but they ignored them and just kept spewing the same moronic bullshits for months.

I find it hard to believe anyone can really stay that stupid for that long, unless it's their job to stay stupid.

Quote from: byt411 on April 06, 2017, 03:06:35 PM

Can't we just have a civil discussion on why we are in favour of one proposal and not the other?

We have them, just not in this thread, this thread is just another bullshit shill script. 1000 words smearing attempt base on something Bitmain didn't even use.

Only a complete dumb fuck would accuse Jihan of blocking SegWit due to ASICBoost, when ASICBoost doesn't even work on Ext Blocks, which Jihan also support. When you're dealing with this level of weaponized idiocracy, 'discussion' was already over the moment they opened their mouths.

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Quote from: Blockonomics.co on April 06, 2017, 01:06:58 PM

Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2017, 12:50:41 PM

lol

i didnt see people crying when an AMD CPU had an advantage vs a Intel CPU
i didnt see people crying when an ATI GPU had an advantage vs a Geforce GPU

but all of a sudden "bomb ASICS coz gmaxwell says so"

why the sudden bomb threats and deadlines and blackmails..
is the $70m debt recovery process coming soo soon?

The problem here isn't ASICBOOST. The problem is that Jihan Wu (and others) are actively blocking SegWit for their own personal gain, while pretending that it is a difference in principle and they are acting to help us all.

Everyone in this situation is acting for personal gain. Everyone.

The last person who was acting for the good of the community was Gavin, but he stepped away several years ago, and we are where we are.

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Quote from: Alex.BTC on April 06, 2017, 02:49:02 PM

If you're a newbie all you need to know is everytime people from Blockstream open their mouth, it's a lie.

Does this imply that everything that comes out of your mouth is the truth?

Not to mention that ASICBOOST is not something that Bitmain patented.

All you have done in your post is accuse people in favour of SegWit to be "paid shills". This, in turn, would make people against BU think that you yourself are a paid shill. Why cause all the drama? Can't we just have a civil discussion on why we are in favour of one proposal and not the other?

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Quote from: Blockonomics.co on April 06, 2017, 02:59:53 PM

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I am pointing out the fact that Jihan Wu is lying about his intentions on why he is against SegWit. He is against SegWit because there is a significant economic interest for him.
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And we should cut this shit of train now before it will be to big to fail...
WHEN Jihad will have 100% mining power and many $$$ to bribe lady gaga he will realese 21m limit and you can do anything about it. We need make UASF and move forward and let him join or keep his great BU coin.

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Thanks for the summary of the situation, but why so much price increase?

Quote from: ebliever on April 06, 2017, 08:56:04 AM

For those who've missed it:

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-April/013996.html

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/mining-manufacturer-blocking-segwit-benefit-asicboost/

Summary of the situation: Bitmain has been producing and mining with ASICs using an exploit that gives them a dramatic advantage over competing miners. This exploit is incompatible with Segwit, so Bitcoin Unlimited was created to gin up the appearance of public opposition to Core and place monopoly control over bitcoin mining and the protocol in the hands of Bitmain and associates.

The exploit also incentivizes miners to mine empty blocks, which has aggravated the TX bottleneck situation and contributed to high fees.

While they have been exposed, it is not clear to me that there is any reason they will be shut down in the near term. In other words a conspiracy has been unmasked, but not defeated.

ISSUE: ASICBOOST provides a ~30% mining advantage over non-ASICBOOST miners.

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Quote from: Blockonomics.co on April 06, 2017, 01:06:58 PM

The problem here isn't ASICBOOST. The problem is that Jihan Wu (and others) are actively blocking SegWitc for their own personal gain, while pretending that it is a difference in principle and they are acting to help us all.

The problem is you shills need to tell your handler to write you better PR scripts, your scripts are getting more and more moronic by the minute.

The arguments coming from you shill's mouth are so fucking idiotic, why the fuck aren't you people even fired from the PR team? If I run a PR campaign and I see staffs making stupid arguments like this, they'll be fired immediately.

Some facts:
1. Jihan supported SegWit in the HK agreement, it was Greg that broke it.
2. Now Jihan is supporting Ext Blocks, which is incompatible with ASICBoost, the 'exploit' he was accused of using.
3. Core devs have zero proof Jihan is using ASICBoost in production. (Is the any evidence of ANYONE using ASICBOOST?)
4. Facts indicate Jihan/AntPool isn't using ASICBoost at all: (If the shuffling of transactions is required for ASICBOOST to work, I don’t see any evidence that AntPool uses it)
5. In recent blocks, about 14% of AntPool's income come from fees.
6. Greg's math is wrong, again. Bitmain: Regarding Recent Allegations and Smear Campaigns

And here is the kicker, wait for it: Everyone expects miners to work for their own gain, that's how Bitcoin was designed to work.

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2017, 01:28:47 PM

Quote from: Blockonomics.co on April 06, 2017, 01:06:58 PM

The problem here isn't ASICBOOST. The problem is that Jihan Wu (and others) are actively blocking SegWit for their own personal gain, while pretending that it is a difference in principle and they are acting to help us all.

sorry to burst your bubble but ASICS have been around alot longer than segwit has.

trying to assume that asics were hard programmed to actively attack segwit is like blaming a caveman for something invented much much later.

let me guess Jihan has a time machine and seen october 2016's segwit code and and went back in time to 2015 and started building the blueprints for the s9 specifically to hurt segwit

p.s im using gmaxwells assumptions of reverse engineering a chip... (before you propaganda twist it into being about software)
afterall ur all complaining about bitmain (hardware company) not CGminer (software company)

I fail to understand your comparison. I have never claimed that ASICs are programmed to attack SegWit.
I am pointing out the fact that Jihan Wu is lying about his intentions on why he is against SegWit. He is against SegWit because there is a significant economic interest for him.

For your information, I never stated that Jihan Wu is a time traveller. Also, CGMiner is not a software company.

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