Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1122. (Read 3917568 times)

Although I don't believe this is the case, if I (everyone) found out it was true, what really is there to stop it? Realistically, the price of AM would spike, as there are no regulations to stop it. Taking a step back, on a personal level I'd like to think that I am investing in a company that can just "win" based on their technical strengths, but as an investor, I am ok with this theory. (I'd not want to be a US investor in Avalon Inc, or a potential buyer of Avalon equipment.)

IE: I think this rumor is hogwash, because Friedcat seems a great fellow that I'd love to take out for beers, but I think if it were true, as shareholders, we should sorta be celebrating, and hoping there is some truth to this rumor.

-helixone

It sure will ruin Avalon, not another way around.

Not sure if anyone was jumping to the conclusion that Avalon helping ASICMiner would be "cheating" or "unlawful behaviour" or a "scam"? Companies which have been competitors (i.e. Apple and Microsoft, Apple and Samsung) have also collaborated together, but is that considered "cheating"?

Also, the market dictates share prices. I for one would hope someone dumps shares based on any rumours that Avalon is collaborating with ASICMiner. If Avalon is collaborating and working with ASICMiner then that only helps ASICMINER. Performance and hashrate will override personal opinions.

What would you think if it turned out that for example the perceived best cyclist in the world became the best by cheating and using unethical means to achieve the wins?

How would you feel about ASICMiner if it turned out that their success was the result of a scam, in this case a competitor's key insider leaking information or hampering his own company's progress?

If it turned out that ASICMiner's success was the result of cheating or unlawful behavior, that means that as soon as that cheating or unlawful behavior was exposed and stopped, their success would also stop.

Thus: Cheating exposed would ruin ASICMiner share prices.

As it turns out, the person claiming this probably wasn't aware of what they were saying and probably didn't intend to cause such suspicions, but to make absolutely sure there wasn't a shred of truth in the accusations, I had to ask :-)

.b

Please educate me and the crew. You are stating that if it was proved that AM had an unfair market advantage it would hurt the stock price. What are all of us missing? (Although I knows nothing about Chinese culture, I kinda hope the new guy is right.)

-helixone

You both fail

Avalon = 110nm
AM = 130nm

They are selling like hotcakes at this rate that board seat may be close

I fail, sorry. 

90 iirc

The ASIC chips used in Avalon and AM is different - actually I remember correctly AM is using the older 110nm chips while Avalon uses the slightly newer chip at 70+-nm.

And yes, I can read Chinese for god's sake. 

All I want to say is ASICMINER price will go increase, I am sorry about involving DR.ZHANG , I made a wrong assumption...but your language is also kind of rude...about the delay of avalon , you can find out in this forum...I just realize that FRIEDCAT is also invented own ASIC chips...everything is clear now....I strongly believe ASICMINER will go over 2 BTC per Share....

I'm somewhat convinced you have no idea what you are saying.

Right now, you are claiming that somewhere in a Chinese web page is evidence that Dr Zhang is involved in highly dubious and most likely criminal activities and that the result is what we're seeing with ASICMiner's success.

If that is so, and you can provide evidence it is so, then ASICMiner would suffer a catastrophic crash once this evidence came to light. That is why what you are saying is extremely serious, and if there is such evidence, that it is extremely important that you help us find and interpret that evidence.

Can you provide us with a link to a specific web page, Chinese or otherwise, that backs up your claims?

If not, I suggest you calm down, stop making such accusations or at least realize that it is the one that makes a claim that bears the burden of evidence, and then come back in a while.

Please understand that we're only trying to find out whether there is any shred of truth in your claims, not attack you.

.b

You don't get it. And yes, I am stupid to think you would. And so immature...

Again: You are accusing people of conspiracy. In this case manipulating the market share of ASICMINER, share price, dividends. Reputation of both friedcat and dr zhang are being challenged by you. You owe an apology at least.

And yes, I am the long lost child of dr zhang.

By the way , the clue is simple.... Lot of people not received their order of AVALON...I am a Chinese I can read Chinese...if you had this ability you also can go to BTCMAN.COM to find out the information....  another is in the meanwhile ASICMINER had doubt its HASH RATE...I just think this is absolute advantage for ASICMINER...It not a accusation,  It is a assumption!!!!!!! Assumption is equal to guess...And for your knowledge ,ASICMINER is a Chinese Company operating In Shenzhen!!! I do not think anyone else in China had produced ASIC chips other than Dr.Zhang...!!!thus I relate this together...there not because they had any deal between ASICMINER and DR.ZHANG , the thing I want to mentioned is high possibility that ASICMINER had kind of relationship or ability to get ASICMINER EQUIPMENT than anyone else...If you think I am wrong , please use polite language to point out and with evidences...Do not just as me to shut up, sounds like you are son of DR.ZHANG.. wants to try every effort to maintaining your father's reputation...  In addition..I am just assumption, if you are ASICMINER's shareholder, You will know all my talking is shows your the ability of ASICMINER to continue dominating in mining...which I think is great news for ASICMINE's shareholders!!!!!!


Do not reply me with stupid language,  be mature!!!you are not son of DR.ZHANG!!!!

I think I have the right to discuss my opinion as long as this forum is a place for everyone to exchange their opinion....I just think ASIC price will increase and give my assumption.....this just assumption....don't be stupid and put rude language.. why, you are so angry? because you are take part of this ???anyway ...i just ignoring you you are so rude and kind of funny......

Yeah. As China has the same size of the farm where you come from. Don't you think it might be wiser to just shut up if you have no clue what you are talking about?!

You accuse people of conspiracy. What are your "assumptions" based on - except incest on your little farm that lead to mental challenges and these accusations?

xpost: Auction (300 direct shares)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2-days-only-300-direct-shares-of-asicminer-199616

what makes you think my assumption will decrease the share price of ASICMINER?

Cheap energy cost ? disadvantages?
ability to getting ASICMINER equipment before anyone else?     Disadvantage?
Cheap price to produce large amount of ASICMINER equipment? Disadvantage?

I just made a assumption......because they both are Chinese...and ASICMINER is operating in China ...from my knowledge there are wide delayed of delivery of Avalon...but in meanwhile ASICMINER doubt its hash rate........if you think I made are stupid assumption than just leave it along...as long as I do not know anyone else produce ASIC chips in China.......

If there is any truth or even remote possibility of this, it would seriously undermine ASICMiner, not help it as you seem to imply. The assumption you're making is that AM is not competitive without the covert and highly unethical behavior from a competitor's insiders.

In fact, just the mere mention of something like this is serious and an accusation that could taint Dr Zhang for a long time.

Unless you have any shred of evidence of these claims, I suggest you withdraw this claim immediately for your own benefit, for the sake of ASICMiner, and of course, as an apology to Dr Zhang.

.b