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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1118. (Read 3917568 times)

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Smaller nm mask means more hashrate per chip. However, they're more expensive to produce as newer fabs charge higher prices as they're still recouping their own investment. Friedcat guessed right that an antique mask would mean he could get the chips fabbed faster with greater reliability. He also could lock in the fab to produce them in volume for him.

At some point AM will have to go to a smaller mask, but at least now there's a bulging war chest to pay for it, I expect. So booking a newer fab for a longer period of time becomes feasible.

There are some other companies already developing chips with much smaller masks (~35nM maybe?) but none of them have hit production yet AFAIK.

So it's wishful thinking to have next gen ASIC chips on par with Intel's Skylake/Skymont?  Tongue
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Excellent!

What does the future hold for us?  Will AM invest in a next-gen chip using 28nm or 32nm?  I have a vague idea that chips with a smaller nm mask set are more efficient in terms of power requirements, but I don't really understand what sort of economic forces would make a next-gen chip based on 28nm or 32nm (or others, smaller than the current fab using 130nm) desirable.  So, anyone that knows more about this, please chime in!

Smaller nm mask means more hashrate per chip. However, they're more expensive to produce as newer fabs charge higher prices as they're still recouping their own investment. Friedcat guessed right that an antique mask would mean he could get the chips fabbed faster with greater reliability. He also could lock in the fab to produce them in volume for him.

At some point AM will have to go to a smaller mask, but at least now there's a bulging war chest to pay for it, I expect. So booking a newer fab for a longer period of time becomes feasible.

There are some other companies already developing chips with much smaller masks (~35nM maybe?) but none of them have hit production yet AFAIK.
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Update

A lot of great thing happened last week. We wiped over the obstacles (infrastructure and paperwork) on deploying and put a lot of our available hashrate online. We also did a significant improvement (power, design, appearance) on the USB stick from the sample batch to the production batch.

For the discussion in the last few days, what we... I could say, is only that our IC design team had achieved fantastic results, as everyone could see and compare, with the most limited funds (barely more than 100k$ raised last August) and most inferior mask-set of choice (130nm which belongs to the antiquity era), and I'm proud of it.

Excellent!

What does the future hold for us?  Will AM invest in a next-gen chip using 28nm or 32nm?  I have a vague idea that chips with a smaller nm mask set are more efficient in terms of power requirements, but I don't really understand what sort of economic forces would make a next-gen chip based on 28nm or 32nm (or others, smaller than the current fab using 130nm) desirable.  So, anyone that knows more about this, please chime in!

Wouldn't going to a smaller fab size [potentially] also increase watt / nm^2? Kind of like Intel's Ivy Bridge - and cause heating issues? Also, I'd assume doing this would also greatly increase the cost/delays of getting the chips made due to higher demands for the newer arch.
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Hmm, what are we doing with the namecoins we are getting from Bitminter?  We must have quite a few by now...

Just give them away. I have a namecoin address somewhere..



Would it work to have shareholders provide friedcat with a namecoin address, and they be paid out proportionally to those that want them?  It might be an unwelcome pain for friedcat though, hopefully the current distribution of bitcoin dividends is streamlined and automated, and adding the namecoin to the process is not too much of a headache...

I said dump for the best NMC/BTC conversion rate, I want my portion in BTC pl0x

It'll only get you 1% more or so in dividends, and would drive down the NMC/BTC price all the time.  
If that 1% is going to be worth anything, it's if you hold the NMC you get paid.
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Update

A lot of great thing happened last week. We wiped over the obstacles (infrastructure and paperwork) on deploying and put a lot of our available hashrate online. We also did a significant improvement (power, design, appearance) on the USB stick from the sample batch to the production batch.

For the discussion in the last few days, what we... I could say, is only that our IC design team had achieved fantastic results, as everyone could see and compare, with the most limited funds (barely more than 100k$ raised last August) and most inferior mask-set of choice (130nm which belongs to the antiquity era), and I'm proud of it.

Excellent!

What does the future hold for us?  Will AM invest in a next-gen chip using 28nm or 32nm?  I have a vague idea that chips with a smaller nm mask set are more efficient in terms of power requirements, but I don't really understand what sort of economic forces would make a next-gen chip based on 28nm or 32nm (or others, smaller than the current fab using 130nm) desirable.  So, anyone that knows more about this, please chime in!
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Hmm, what are we doing with the namecoins we are getting from Bitminter?  We must have quite a few by now...

Just give them away. I have a namecoin address somewhere..



Would it work to have shareholders provide friedcat with a namecoin address, and they be paid out proportionally to those that want them?  It might be an unwelcome pain for friedcat though, hopefully the current distribution of bitcoin dividends is streamlined and automated, and adding the namecoin to the process is not too much of a headache...

I said dump for the best NMC/BTC conversion rate, I want my portion in BTC pl0x
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Hmm, what are we doing with the namecoins we are getting from Bitminter?  We must have quite a few by now...

Just give them away. I have a namecoin address somewhere..



Would it work to have shareholders provide friedcat with a namecoin address, and they be paid out proportionally to those that want them?  It might be an unwelcome pain for friedcat though, hopefully the current distribution of bitcoin dividends is streamlined and automated, and adding the namecoin to the process is not too much of a headache...
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Poor impulse control.
Hmm, what are we doing with the namecoins we are getting from Bitminter?  We must have quite a few by now...

Just give them away. I have a namecoin address somewhere..

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Hmm, what are we doing with the namecoins we are getting from Bitminter?  We must have quite a few by now...
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Biminter pool user realasicminer is hitting 6TH, maybe they also have a few other accounts? and with other mining pools.. that is a lot of hashing power. Smiley
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... it only gets better...
Friedcat, please respond to the backlog of share transfer requests.  Cry

Please...  Cheesy
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Away on an extended break
*knock knock* Friedcat, please respond to the backlog of share transfer requests.  Cry

*runs before angry shareholders burn me on the stake*
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I tried asking this in one of the auction threads but got no response, is there any way to verify the people auctioning off direct shares? I would like to make a significant purchase but simply can't due to lack of information. Can someone at ASICMiner (with the seller's permission of course) confirm shares being auctioned are legitimate?
See how I handled my auction. I detected a weakness with my method, so read my comments about it near the auction's end if you want to build on it.
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I tried asking this in one of the auction threads but got no response, is there any way to verify the people auctioning off direct shares? I would like to make a significant purchase but simply can't due to lack of information. Can someone at ASICMiner (with the seller's permission of course) confirm shares being auctioned are legitimate?

If you go through an escrow, you aren't really at risk anyway(And for any "significant" purchase, you should use an escrow!)

You can also confirm by asking for their address of ownership, and then looking through the transaction logs for the satoshi's.

Alternatively Friedcat can confirm if PM'd about the thread, but he is very busy.
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I tried asking this in one of the auction threads but got no response, is there any way to verify the people auctioning off direct shares? I would like to make a significant purchase but simply can't due to lack of information. Can someone at ASICMiner (with the seller's permission of course) confirm shares being auctioned are legitimate?

I think the best solution would be to simply use Escrow in this case.
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I tried asking this in one of the auction threads but got no response, is there any way to verify the people auctioning off direct shares? I would like to make a significant purchase but simply can't due to lack of information. Can someone at ASICMiner (with the seller's permission of course) confirm shares being auctioned are legitimate?
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Needs more jiggawatts
Just a quick note since there was talk in this thread about BitMinter's luck being so bad that something must be wrong.

organofcorti has performed a thorough audit: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/05/131-bitminter-and-luck.html

The results are in: BitMinter pays better than most pools even when we have bad luck (PPS miners are sad). And when we have good luck it's just awesome (PPS miners cry).

Back to your regular programming.
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
Hi guys, sorry if this is the wrong thread.


About to purchase some PT shares through BTC-TC.

Please could someone point me to some more information?

Security (the most essential part of course... recently was burned in the Bitcoin-24 shutdown... although that was less security and more management issues), experience so far... how does the payout work? That sort of thing. I'm pretty sure I've got it but of course I need to know the finer details before making the purchase.

Best wishes

I think this thread would be the best place to ask questions about this particular PT: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/btctcasicminer-pt-public-trading-of-asicminer-shares-148350

thanks
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