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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1139. (Read 3917058 times)

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The Block Erupter USB sticks passed all the tests and we are about to produce them in quantity.

"In quantity". I like those words.

Very many ideas thrown around here for the auction of these (possibly good, but experimental and possibly confusing to customers).

So let me throw in an idea too: fixed price 2 BTC, first come first served! Much more manageable, affordable and relatable. And a price/hash a little above what the Blades have been getting.

Works for me, I'm first in line and I will buy them all (to auction later).  

what about blind auctions with a minium price?

2,000 Bitcoins have been reserved for the re-investment:

1. Deposits for the long-term pre-order of hard-to-get ICs.
2. Costs of mass production of Block Erupter USB sticks.

@friedcat,
Please re-consider your auctioning off the usb sticks, I will definitely by some, however I am like many others here are late to the game as far as bitcoin is concerned and would prefer to pay with conventional means.

By selling them off at a flat rate you will have a much larger user base, which is good for the BTC economy.

just my 2 cents



What about a set price and the ability for all shareholders to buy one, just one, so those of us without hundreds of BTC can actually get and hold an actual piece of AM?  And after say a week and all shareholders have had the ability to buy one at say cost, or just over cost the auction goes hog wild.  I have all my BTC invested... I don't wanna sell my shares of anything just to buy one but I really want one.. as a shareholder shouldn't we be able to  have a small slice of the pie.  I am not asking for a handout, Those usb things are just a genius idea and I would love to have one!

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By selling them off at a flat rate you will have a much larger user base, which is good for the BTC economy.

just my 2 cents



I'd rather see him auction large lots of the usb miners - effectively wholesaling them to distributors. It would be beneficial in creating larger economies, keep the wholesale price competitive, and would enable people to retail them through whatever mechanism they felt best served retail buyers.

Edit: I'm thinking of large lots at the 100's of units level. 128 would be good as it would parallel 4 of the block erupter blades for chipcount while still enabling some level of wholesale volume.
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2,000 Bitcoins have been reserved for the re-investment:

1. Deposits for the long-term pre-order of hard-to-get ICs.
2. Costs of mass production of Block Erupter USB sticks.

@friedcat,
Please re-consider your auctioning off the usb sticks, I will definitely by some, however I am like many others here are late to the game as far as bitcoin is concerned and would prefer to pay with conventional means.

By selling them off at a flat rate you will have a much larger user base, which is good for the BTC economy.

just my 2 cents

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A few post took my comparison to microsoft and apple out of context here and that is understandable.

I guess i hold asicminer and avalon too high!

However i do believe they are the two powerhouses in the asic industry right now, and i am surprised one of them does not even have a website or anything.

There is not enough transparency to me if i were to invest and this will hurt the company if investors are afraid to invest. Investors want web sites, locations, names,

accountability, projected growths.

This is gonna be taken out of context again but i am prepared for that lol but anyway everyone knows bill gates, everyone knew of steve jobs right?

Who is the guys at asicminer? Where is the accountability? If they were to run off with investors money or mismanaged(spent everything on vegas hookers!) or

anything, would anyone even know how to recoup those illegitimate loses in that regard?

Now in no way i am saying these fellas will do that but what is stopping them?

Anywho i think this debate is moot without progress from those who make the decisions.

Off to kickstarter it is

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TAT-PT  Cool, Thanks for helping the many JoeSixCoiners out there,
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Meanwhile hashrate slowly declines :-( (12.17 TH/s)

If you think it'll still be 12 TH/s in a week, sell Wink

Either network issue or problem with BTCGuild
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I would love to know

1. What are the two-three month perspective on hashrate, earnings, and profitability
2. What are the funding requirements to reach those goals and how will that funding take place?
3. What is the current financial situation of the company (ie assets, liabilities, running costs, currency denominations, and so on)
4. What is the policy on managing capital (ie is it exchanged every week, do they set aside capital for unforeseen expenses, etc)

^^^this
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Meanwhile hashrate slowly declines :-( (12.17 TH/s)

If you think it'll still be 12 TH/s in a week, sell Wink
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WTF???
This ASICMINER project is unbelievably transparent in my opinoin.  What else are you seriously looking for?

An actual contract (such as), their listing on a reputable exchange (such as), actual monthly reports (such as). Without these you are basically holding dust, like it or not.

(No, the fact that "it paid already X dollah" is not necessarily an argument - so did pirate.)

Right... listing AM on MPEX makes it legitimate...  Roll Eyes  I still don't know why I haven't ignored your posts. I think I like how idiotic you can be.
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Meanwhile hashrate slowly declines :-( (12.17 TH/s)
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As opposed to holding dust on an exchange that is, equally, dust.
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This ASICMINER project is unbelievably transparent in my opinoin.  What else are you seriously looking for?

An actual contract (such as), their listing on a reputable exchange (such as), actual monthly reports (such as). Without these you are basically holding dust, like it or not.

(No, the fact that "it paid already X dollah" is not necessarily an argument - so did pirate.)

As opposed to holding dust on an exchange that is, equally, dust.
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To anyone that is interested, I have gone live with a new fractional passthrough of ASICMINER shares.

You can learn more about how it works and why someone might be interested here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfunder-tatasicminer-new-micro-share-passthrough-192498

You can buy the shares on Bitfunder here: https://bitfunder.com/asset/TAT.ASICMINER

While I think this is relevant to this thread, it's possible I am biased and some of you will be angered at this "shameless self-promotion". If so, you can take comfort in knowing that I will pay the price in hell upon my day of reckoning.

Awesome job TAT, glad to see this up!

Dont feel bad about the shameless plug, MPOE-PR did it 2 posts above you while trying to make a point.
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I will be satisfied as long as you realize NONE of this information is OWED to you.  

yes, I completely agree with you on this.  I was merely stating that more information would be good for me.  I am not entitled to it, though I did request it (asked a question).  It's not owed to us, but it would be nice to have.



I completely agree with you
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I will be satisfied as long as you realize NONE of this information is OWED to you.  

yes, I completely agree with you on this.  I was merely stating that more information would be good for me.  I am not entitled to it, though I did request it (asked a question).  It's not owed to us, but it would be nice to have.

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To anyone that is interested, I have gone live with a new fractional passthrough of ASICMINER shares.

You can learn more about how it works and why someone might be interested here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfunder-tatasicminer-new-micro-share-passthrough-192498

You can buy the shares on Bitfunder here: https://bitfunder.com/asset/TAT.ASICMINER

While I think this is relevant to this thread, it's possible I am biased and some of you will be angered at this "shameless self-promotion". If so, you can take comfort in knowing that I will pay the price in hell upon my day of reckoning.
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You are thinking far too short term.  AM not paying that dividend does not mean AM is worth less.  They still have the money, and even better than that, they are investing it for you.  Now rather than having the money in your account, the company is worth a bit more.
yeah, I agree, but that's where the whole "knowing what the plan is" thing comes into play.  Did they not know they were going to invest that money a week ago? 

I am not using the dividend amount to value the company.  I was using the amount of profits to estimate the weekly dividend. 

Why is this important to me?  Because I use dividends to buy more shares!
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This ASICMINER project is unbelievably transparent in my opinoin.  What else are you seriously looking for?

An actual contract (such as), their listing on a reputable exchange (such as), actual monthly reports (such as). Without these you are basically holding dust, like it or not.

(No, the fact that "it paid already X dollah" is not necessarily an argument - so did pirate.)
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How much more information do you need to determine risk and what you would be willing to pay for an equity share?  You know how much hashing power there has, you know the bitcoin address that receives the bitcoins from the pool, you can see how much is received thus generally derive how much profit there is once a reasonable cost is established (look at past dividend payments).  Friedcat does a great job giving us estimates as to when deployment will happen (it appears much is unknown to him as well).  He does an excellent job communicating and upholding his own deadlines.  He has explained deployment stages, and always revisits them to give an update.  Deployment is not a perfectly predictable thing as he has run into issues in the past.  He explains when auctions will happen, and has just updated that USB sticks are going to begin being massed produced.  He explains when costs are incurred from week to week as well

This ASICMINER project is unbelievably transparent in my opinoin.  What else are you seriously looking for?

If you feel like all this information is not sufficient do not buy the shares if you feel the risk is too great.  Don’t buy shares and then come here and beg for Friedcat to specifically lay out in excruciating detail what will happen every single day for the upcoming weeks.


Again, strawmen and slippery slopes usually don't make for good arguments. I believe at least my request was very clear; I explicitly do not want to know what friedcat has for dinner every day.

I would love to know

1. What are the two-three month perspective on hashrate, earnings, and profitability
2. What are the funding requirements to reach those goals and how will that funding take place?
3. What is the current financial situation of the company (ie assets, liabilities, running costs, currency denominations, and so on)
4. What is the policy on managing capital (ie is it exchanged every week, do they set aside capital for unforeseen expenses, etc)

Nobody is asking for any excruciating detail, least of all on a daily basis. I'd be fine with far less frequent updates that we're already getting.

In fact, if it boils down to it, I really want to know just one thing, once a month: Is the operation going according to your plans? If the answer is yes, fine, if the answer is no, I would like to know that there is a plan to mitigate the issues. I don't even care what those plans are, I trust them to know far more about what to do than I could know. They can prove the plan's success by answering "Yes" to the same question next month or two months down the line if that's how long it takes to resolve whatever issues there are.

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My last post was actually in response to another post.. so strawment and slippery slopes doesn’t make sense here.

As for the information you want, great, who wouldn’t want to know all of those fine details?

I will be satisfied as long as you realize NONE of this information is OWED to you.  There is no debt.  As long as you realize all these shares represent is equity in this project, than great.

BitFountain in the company.  Friedcat raised money for this project.. called ASICMINER.  He repaid that money fully.  Those shares still retained equity in the company after they were repaid in full.  The profit from this project is paid out in dividends to those shares of equity.

This asset is really simple people.  Its not the same as a common share of a publicly traded company.
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What else are you seriously looking for?
basically, to know ahead of time whether or not profits from this week will be included in next week's dividend.

Based on the information we received last week, we were all expecting to receive a larger dividend, due to the auction and the increased hash rate.  It would have been nice ahead of time to know that those profits were not going to be included in the dividend payment this week.  I made the mistake of assuming that more profits = larger dividend, based on the information I had received.

Again, this isn't the end of the world, and it certainly isn't cause for me to sell shares, but that kind of information would have been appreciated by shareholders like me.

You are thinking far too short term.  AM not paying that dividend does not mean AM is worth less.  They still have the money, and even better than that, they are investing it for you.  Now rather than having the money in your account, the company is worth a bit more.

The only realistic way to evaluate a company is *not* dividends.  Both Amazon and Berkshire pay no dividends, but have among the highest returns of any investment over the last 10 years.  The way to evaluate a company is to look at what they are *earning,* not what their shareholders are getting.  The companies earnings are all public knowledge.
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