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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1279. (Read 3917058 times)

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Were there any ASICMINER stocks not purchases (owned by friedcat/the company)  before GLBSE went down? If so, how will these be priced upon the exchange being brought back up? Will the value be at the same (0.1000BTC/per) or will it be adjusted based on market value//trade price after X days?
The IPO was finished long before GLBSE went down. Not all 200`000 IPO shares were sold before sufficient funds were raised, and the IPO closed. Initially, hundred percent of the profits will be diverted to dividends until 0.1 btc per share is paid out. From there on, each public share's dividend is worth 1/400`000 of the profits, regardless of how many shares were sold originally. It's all buried somewhere in this thread.
The only thing I fail to comprehend is if its 1/400000 of the profit per share, isn't 12% of the profits not gonna be distributed?

I'm not sure how you get to 12%. That would require 24% of the ASICMINER shares to be unsold and withdrawn from sale. I imagine ASICMINER"s parent company owns the unsold amount in addition to the other 50% of the profits.

Yes, that's basically it.

After investors have received their 0.1 btc per share, further profits will be distributed as (assuming X was the number of shares sold to the investors) -

(1) 1/400`000 per share, regardless of X, or

(2) 1/(200`000+X) per share, or

(3) 1/(2X) per share
It's (1) regardless of X. Its downside of is that the portion is less than (2) and (3) somehow. While the upside is that it will not go diluted when later investments come in because it's always 1/400,000 no matter how Bitfountain itself gets diluted.

I think it's likely that Bitfountain will sell more shares to raise money but it will not dilute our shares. It's also likely that the price will be close to market price.
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Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him.

ROFL, you wish.
You had your 5 minutes of fame once up on a time, but you dont rank in there at all when it comes to credibility. For me you have none. Zero.  Nada.
With calling BFL a scam outright, he has lost all credibility as soon as they ship.
Not to mention loosing 99% of investors money while managing DMC on GLBSE.

Lol, didn't hear about that one.

Because it never happened. I already paid back half of what investors already invested. What Puppet (aka nefario's puppet) is not saying is nefario tried to steal DMC's assets by putting up a fake shareholder vote to remove me as CEO of the company, which nefario was then outvoted 9 to 1, keeping me as the CEO.

I suspect nefario also knew many farms were selling mining bonds that were not backed by any hardware, all the while claiming he investigated all companies to make sure they were legit. Many people trusted him, and many people were burned by his actions.

To claim I only had 5 minutes of fame is pretty lame. I continually contribute to the Bitcoin community as often as I can, and I've been here since the beginning. I claim BFL is a scam because they continually call investors 'customers' and investments 'pre-orders', it does not make a difference if they ship or not.

By their claims, they were the first to start working on AISCs (a year before anyone else), yet they have not shipped a product. I am not the only person on this forums who believes there is a low chance of them EVER shipping.

Oh, and by the way, DMC is an investor of ASICMINER.
Ok, fair enough, and I appreciate you defending yourself and setting the record straight.  Nefario did way worse than you, this is for certain.  Are you paying back the rest?

I just don't like you calling BFL a scam.  They aren't a scam if they deliver in the end, they are a scam if they do not.  All of the ASIC companies (with exception of ASICMiner) took preorders, and all of them called their preorder customers customers.  It doesn't matter if that doesn't fit your definition of a customer - everyone who preordered ASICs are customers.
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Were there any ASICMINER stocks not purchases (owned by friedcat/the company)  before GLBSE went down? If so, how will these be priced upon the exchange being brought back up? Will the value be at the same (0.1000BTC/per) or will it be adjusted based on market value//trade price after X days?
The IPO was finished long before GLBSE went down. Not all 200`000 IPO shares were sold before sufficient funds were raised, and the IPO closed. Initially, hundred percent of the profits will be diverted to dividends until 0.1 btc per share is paid out. From there on, each public share's dividend is worth 1/400`000 of the profits, regardless of how many shares were sold originally. It's all buried somewhere in this thread.
The only thing I fail to comprehend is if its 1/400000 of the profit per share, isn't 12% of the profits not gonna be distributed?

I'm not sure how you get to 12%. That would require 24% of the ASICMINER shares to be unsold and withdrawn from sale. I imagine ASICMINER"s parent company owns the unsold amount in addition to the other 50% of the profits.
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Were there any ASICMINER stocks not purchases (owned by friedcat/the company)  before GLBSE went down? If so, how will these be priced upon the exchange being brought back up? Will the value be at the same (0.1000BTC/per) or will it be adjusted based on market value//trade price after X days?
The IPO was finished long before GLBSE went down. Not all 200`000 IPO shares were sold before sufficient funds were raised, and the IPO closed. Initially, hundred percent of the profits will be diverted to dividends until 0.1 btc per share is paid out. From there on, each public share's dividend is worth 1/400`000 of the profits, regardless of how many shares were sold originally. It's all buried somewhere in this thread.
The only thing I fail to comprehend is if its 1/400000 of the profit per share, isn't 12% of the profits not gonna be distributed?
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
Were there any ASICMINER stocks not purchases (owned by friedcat/the company)  before GLBSE went down? If so, how will these be priced upon the exchange being brought back up? Will the value be at the same (0.1000BTC/per) or will it be adjusted based on market value//trade price after X days?
The IPO was finished long before GLBSE went down. Not all 200`000 IPO shares were sold before sufficient funds were raised, and the IPO closed. Initially, hundred percent of the profits will be diverted to dividends until 0.1 btc per share is paid out. From there on, each public share's dividend is worth 1/400`000 of the profits, regardless of how many shares were sold originally. It's all buried somewhere in this thread.
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Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him.

ROFL, you wish.
You had your 5 minutes of fame once up on a time, but you dont rank in there at all when it comes to credibility. For me you have none. Zero.  Nada.
With calling BFL a scam outright, he has lost all credibility as soon as they ship.
Not to mention loosing 99% of investors money while managing DMC on GLBSE.

Lol, didn't hear about that one.

Because it never happened. I already paid back half of what investors already invested. What Puppet (aka nefario's puppet) is not saying is nefario tried to steal DMC's assets by putting up a fake shareholder vote to remove me as CEO of the company, which nefario was then outvoted 9 to 1, keeping me as the CEO.

I suspect nefario also knew many farms were selling mining bonds that were not backed by any hardware, all the while claiming he investigated all companies to make sure they were legit. Many people trusted him, and many people were burned by his actions.

To claim I only had 5 minutes of fame is pretty lame. I continually contribute to the Bitcoin community as often as I can, and I've been here since the beginning. I claim BFL is a scam because they continually call investors 'customers' and investments 'pre-orders', it does not make a difference if they ship or not.

By their claims, they were the first to start working on AISCs (a year before anyone else), yet they have not shipped a product. I am not the only person on this forums who believes there is a low chance of them EVER shipping.

Oh, and by the way, DMC is an investor of ASICMINER.
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Were there any ASICMINER stocks not purchases (owned by friedcat/the company)  before GLBSE went down? If so, how will these be priced upon the exchange being brought back up? Will the value be at the same (0.1000BTC/per) or will it be adjusted based on market value//trade price after X days?
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him.

ROFL, you wish.
You had your 5 minutes of fame once up on a time, but you dont rank in there at all when it comes to credibility. For me you have none. Zero.  Nada.
With calling BFL a scam outright, he has lost all credibility as soon as they ship.
Not to mention loosing 99% of investors money while managing DMC on GLBSE.

Lol, didn't hear about that one.
Can we please keep the thread clean and stay on topic? I don't even know who the dude is, and after seeing that statement I certainly don't need to know, and it's certainly got nothing to do with ASICMINER. Thank you.
legendary
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Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him.

ROFL, you wish.
You had your 5 minutes of fame once up on a time, but you dont rank in there at all when it comes to credibility. For me you have none. Zero.  Nada.
With calling BFL a scam outright, he has lost all credibility as soon as they ship.
Not to mention loosing 99% of investors money while managing DMC on GLBSE.

Lol, didn't hear about that one.
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Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him.

ROFL, you wish.
You had your 5 minutes of fame once up on a time, but you dont rank in there at all when it comes to credibility. For me you have none. Zero.  Nada.
With calling BFL a scam outright, he has lost all credibility as soon as they ship.
Not to mention loosing 99% of investors money while managing DMC on GLBSE.
legendary
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He already lost it with his "$1M" DMC scam.
legendary
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Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him.

ROFL, you wish.
You had your 5 minutes of fame once up on a time, but you dont rank in there at all when it comes to credibility. For me you have none. Zero.  Nada.
With calling BFL a scam outright, he has lost all credibility as soon as they ship.
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1040
Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him.

ROFL, you wish.
You had your 5 minutes of fame once up on a time, but you dont rank in there at all when it comes to credibility. For me you have none. Zero.  Nada.
legendary
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garzik is a long time Bitcoin core dev ... how much more legit can you get in this community?

From the front page of http://bitcoin.org/ :

Developers
Satoshi Nakamoto
Gavin Andresen - [email protected] (PGP)
Pieter Wuille - [email protected] (PGP)
Nils Schneider - [email protected] (PGP)
Jeff Garzik - [email protected] (PGP)
Wladimir J. van der Laan - [email protected] (PGP)
Gregory Maxwell - [email protected] (PGP)

Yeah, the only people who can be considered as legit as possible is jgarzik, gmaxwell, me, gavin, and if satoshi ever returns to us in mortal form, him. And the Bitcoin Foundation also got one, and a lot of these names also appear on the Foundation's board.

I believe Avalon is legit, and sans the FAILURE TO HANDLE THE SECOND BATCH PURCHASING ROUND CORRECTLY (WAAAARGH), I'm really happy for them.
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http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/01/avalon-asic-miner-review.html?m=1

guys I know alot of false talks aboit asics is allover the place. But can anyone ask Slush if this guy is legit? He claims an Avalon asic with 67ghps+ mining on slush pool! For pics or didnt happen giys, he did post some pics that dont really show anything.

It's legit - he got the first Avalon shipped.  We have no idea how many more (if any) have actually been sent to customers - but that one's real (there's plenty of pictures, logs etc around).
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http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/01/avalon-asic-miner-review.html?m=1

guys I know alot of false talks aboit asics is allover the place. But can anyone ask Slush if this guy is legit? He claims an Avalon asic with 67ghps+ mining on slush pool! For pics or didnt happen giys, he did post some pics that dont really show anything.
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156Gh confirmed. 20+Th(68-88Gh*300) in batch 1, though nobody seems to have an accurate count on how much of that capacity has shipped.

That refers to avalon right? Doesnt sound good when avalon already shipped, and will run, 20+TH in the next days. While asicminer, if it is running fully, only will have 12TH, which is slightly the half. Competition will eat a good chunk away.
Whatever... dividends will still be good enough...

AValon haven't actually shipped anywhere near 20 TH.  Their annoucement may have said that they'd shipped - but if you read it more carefully you'll find they only actually confirmed shipping 2 boxes, with the rest supposedly trickling out over the next month.  The topic title led me to expect a picture inside of them rolling up to customs/DHL with a trcuk-load of boxed ASICs - the reality was rather different (they seem confused about the diference between "have shipped" and "have started shipping").

Good to hear if thats true. I couldnt help me, after all the experiences in bitcoin world, to think that it would be an opportunity to build up something that looks like an asicbox, ship it to a friend and he claims that he get the first boxes. This would probably jumpstart the sales in the next time. If you want to scam... I mean avalon started after asicminer started as far as i remember and they still are first? Its a bit strange.
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156Gh confirmed. 20+Th(68-88Gh*300) in batch 1, though nobody seems to have an accurate count on how much of that capacity has shipped.

That refers to avalon right? Doesnt sound good when avalon already shipped, and will run, 20+TH in the next days. While asicminer, if it is running fully, only will have 12TH, which is slightly the half. Competition will eat a good chunk away.
Whatever... dividends will still be good enough...

AValon haven't actually shipped anywhere near 20 TH.  Their annoucement may have said that they'd shipped - but if you read it more carefully you'll find they only actually confirmed shipping 2 boxes, with the rest supposedly trickling out over the next month.  The topic title led me to expect a picture inside of them rolling up to customs/DHL with a trcuk-load of boxed ASICs - the reality was rather different (they seem confused about the diference between "have shipped" and "have started shipping").
legendary
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156Gh confirmed. 20+Th(68-88Gh*300) in batch 1, though nobody seems to have an accurate count on how much of that capacity has shipped.

That refers to avalon right? Doesnt sound good when avalon already shipped, and will run, 20+TH in the next days. While asicminer, if it is running fully, only will have 12TH, which is slightly the half. Competition will eat a good chunk away.
Whatever... dividends will still be good enough...
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Personally, I -- and you -- should be far more interested in the transparency of the mining rules.  This is a lot of hashpower concentrated into one operator's hands.

What bitcoind version will be used to generate blocks?

What patches will be applied, if any?



Further up in the thread friedcat said hes going to be mining on multiple pools to sidestep the issue. IMO, he should just deploy p2pool and just mine on that, 100%.
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