When would they not be concerns?
Now apparently when you have a board member stating it is of considerably less significance than the other factors he gave.
Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 194. (Read 3917058 times)
September 15, 2014, 09:22:19 PM
Now apparently when you have a board member stating it is of considerably less significance than the other factors he gave.
September 15, 2014, 08:54:25 PM
Yep - although looking again at RockMiner's timeline, I'm guessing they're all the same chip. Gen3 (BE200) or earlier? For everything they have?
RockMiner was created specifically to build BE200 miners for sale and self mining. The CEO used to be an AM gen 1 reseller before that.
There should be two types of BE200 though, a.k.a. gen 3 and gen 3.1, but there was never any real info released about it (what a surprise) so I'm not sure what he actual differences are between the revisions.
September 15, 2014, 08:06:54 PM
The quantity of gen3, despite the failings in the design's efficiency, allowed enough of a margin on the project to stay in the fight for the top chip producer. Gen4 needs to be able to beat that efficiency mark and still make the large-scale quantity orders that we saw with gen3.
Can anyone give info on which of AM's chips are in current mining hardware from hardware partners (namely RockMiner)?
Can anyone give info on which of AM's chips are in current mining hardware from hardware partners (namely RockMiner)?
Whether gen 4 is good or bad, large quantities of chips will be produced regardless in order to cover the costs. As for which of AM's chips are in current hardware, BE200 is in all of them as that's the only chip they're currently making and selling. I don't think that was what you meant to ask though as the answer was simply too obvious. Did you want to know what hardware is BE200 based?
Yep - although looking again at RockMiner's timeline, I'm guessing they're all the same chip. Gen3 (BE200) or earlier? For everything they have?
September 15, 2014, 07:56:19 PM
The quantity of gen3, despite the failings in the design's efficiency, allowed enough of a margin on the project to stay in the fight for the top chip producer. Gen4 needs to be able to beat that efficiency mark and still make the large-scale quantity orders that we saw with gen3.
Can anyone give info on which of AM's chips are in current mining hardware from hardware partners (namely RockMiner)?
Can anyone give info on which of AM's chips are in current mining hardware from hardware partners (namely RockMiner)?
Whether gen 4 is good or bad, large quantities of chips will be produced regardless in order to cover the costs. As for which of AM's chips are in current hardware, BE200 is in all of them as that's the only chip they're currently making and selling. I don't think that was what you meant to ask though as the answer was simply too obvious. Did you want to know what hardware is BE200 based?
I really don't see why there is such concern for Gen4. From Jutarul's statement it appears the current concerns are with the size of the network, the cost of maintaining what they presently have or will have and the price of BTC.
When would they not be concerns?
September 15, 2014, 07:41:30 PM
Based on the information provided the gen4 is coming along according to schedule. There will be some time span in which it will be evaluated. However, to put things in perspective any new chips will not move the profit margins too much. Profit margins are mainly a function of BTC price, network power and average upkeep costs. The tech has moved quickly in the last 2 years and is hitting Moore's barrier pretty hard. Main profits will likely come from innovative ways to reduce capex and opex, which not necessarily requires the latest chips.
I really don't see why there is such concern for Gen4. From Jutarul's statement it appears the current concerns are with the size of the network, the cost of maintaining what they presently have or will have and the price of BTC.
September 15, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
I get it.
But why hatch a new account to pitch the info.
But why hatch a new account to pitch the info.
Maybe he just didn't have an account before.
Possibly, but unlikely
September 15, 2014, 06:36:08 PM
People were saying the same about gen 3 a few hundred pages back.
So what? Gen 3 may not be as efficient as some other chips, but it's certainly competitive based on price and is certainly not a complete disaster. So, I'm not sure what point are you actually trying to make. AM Tubes actually have a pretty good value (a combination of efficiency and cost) per volume despite BE200 not being the most efficient ASIC. The price and size offset the efficiency.
The quantity of gen3, despite the failings in the design's efficiency, allowed enough of a margin on the project to stay in the fight for the top chip producer. Gen4 needs to be able to beat that efficiency mark and still make the large-scale quantity orders that we saw with gen3.
Can anyone give info on which of AM's chips are in current mining hardware from hardware partners (namely RockMiner)?
September 15, 2014, 06:34:25 PM
I get it.
But why hatch a new account to pitch the info.
But why hatch a new account to pitch the info.
Maybe he just didn't have an account before.
September 15, 2014, 06:17:32 PM
I get it.
But why hatch a new account to pitch the info.
But why hatch a new account to pitch the info.
September 15, 2014, 06:13:42 PM
Hi Guys
My Findings regarding mining addresses:
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My Findings regarding mining addresses:
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I know that people will bash me, but I will still state my view. Usually on this forum (especially in the Hardware section) people that come and give any kind of information on their first/firsts posts is usually frowned upon, yet here it's the other way around. I'm not saying anything else and I can't wait to see how will this develop.
I am always suspicious of those users.
The optimist says it was someone in-the-know who was trying to share positive news without really giving anything away.
The pessimist says it was some dick just messing with us - and created a new account so we won't kill them when we find what they said untrue.
What about actually reading what he had to say and drawing your own conclusions?
He never claimed any insider info, he simply pointed out that there is a correlation between those two addresses which anyone can verify via the blockchain.
September 15, 2014, 05:58:10 PM
Hi Guys
My Findings regarding mining addresses:
.......
My Findings regarding mining addresses:
.......
I know that people will bash me, but I will still state my view. Usually on this forum (especially in the Hardware section) people that come and give any kind of information on their first/firsts posts is usually frowned upon, yet here it's the other way around. I'm not saying anything else and I can't wait to see how will this develop.
I am always suspicious of those users.
The optimist says it was someone in-the-know who was trying to share positive news without really giving anything away.
The pessimist says it was some dick just messing with us - and created a new account so we won't kill them when we find what they said untrue.
September 15, 2014, 05:50:10 PM
Hi Guys
My Findings regarding mining addresses:
.......
My Findings regarding mining addresses:
.......
I know that people will bash me, but I will still state my view. Usually on this forum (especially in the Hardware section) people that come and give any kind of information on their first/firsts posts is usually frowned upon, yet here it's the other way around. I'm not saying anything else and I can't wait to see how will this develop.
September 15, 2014, 05:34:40 PM
Someone is trying to get a good AM position on Havelock without moving the price up too much.
September 15, 2014, 05:05:36 PM
Has anyone received a sig ad payout?
im assuming everyone on the list did the OP also notified me im a sr. member now which i didnt notice 
so extra .05if they have money to spend for sig campaign and are continuing it, sales must be going good enough
September 15, 2014, 04:58:39 PM
People were saying the same about gen 3 a few hundred pages back.
So what? Gen 3 may not be as efficient as some other chips, but it's certainly competitive based on price and is certainly not a complete disaster. So, I'm not sure what point are you actually trying to make. AM Tubes actually have a pretty good value (a combination of efficiency and cost) per volume despite BE200 not being the most efficient ASIC. The price and size offset the efficiency.
September 15, 2014, 03:26:57 PM
Has anyone received a sig ad payout?
Yes, me and many others did and it was very early in the morning.
September 15, 2014, 03:18:46 PM
We're obviously receiving 10 BTC every 58 hours now in the mining address. Combined with the recent difficulty change this perfectly accounts for the 270 TH/s on BTCGuild. I don't know if lophie even reads my posts, or just skims them over and picks out some figures and combines them arbitrarily, but this just adds up perfectly 
. I also just can hope that we've got mining income from other sources, since this is very meager. My bets are on gen 4 as of now.
. I also just can hope that we've got mining income from other sources, since this is very meager. My bets are on gen 4 as of now.And what happens if gen4 misses efficiency specs like gen3 did? ASICMINER is dead in the water.
Three strikes and you are out. Gen2, Gen3 (which I haven't thrown the towel in on just yet), and then Gen4 which the company believes it can deploy by years end. One dark winter for AM was brutal enough, another would do the company in. We will not have to wait much longer to find out how this story concludes, and Fried Cat could still surprise us with Gen3.
September 15, 2014, 03:16:21 PM
I did yesterday.
September 15, 2014, 03:15:16 PM
Has anyone received a sig ad payout?
September 15, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
If AM miss the specs but the chip is still competitive then there won't be a problem. If gen 4 fails to be competitive though then yeah, AM is pretty much dead in the water.
People were saying the same about gen 3 a few hundred pages back.
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