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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 387. (Read 3917543 times)

legendary
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yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  Cheesy

What do you think AM's J/GH is? According to Rockxie's initial testing, the chips consume 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s. Who exactly is producing chips with a lower power consumption than that?

Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

i'm not going to get into a 'who's got a bigger ....' argument. Look around for yourself.

Yeah, but AM is selling chips, not miners. You can compare other companies miners all you want, that's irrelevant to AM. You need to compare the actual chips. You said that AM's chips had a higher power consumption than everyone else's and refuse to back up your claims when asked, that's just spreading FUD.
sr. member
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yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  Cheesy

What do you think AM's J/GH is? According to Rockxie's initial testing, the chips consume 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s. Who exactly is producing chips with a lower power consumption than that?

Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash
Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference.

i'm not going to get into a 'who's got a bigger ....' argument. Look around for yourself.
legendary
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yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  Cheesy

What do you think AM's J/GH is? According to Rockxie's initial testing, the chips consume 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s. Who exactly is producing chips with a lower power consumption than that? It's definitely not everyone.
sr. member
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Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.

dont mean to offend FC but chineese dont aim top notch handcrafted quality. they aim quantity. and thats perfectly fine imho ...

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  Cheesy

not if prices are wayy lower than the competition.. Grin Grin Grin

i disagree. running costs are everything.
legendary
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Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.

dont mean to offend FC but chineese dont aim top notch handcrafted quality. they aim quantity. and thats perfectly fine imho ...

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  Cheesy

not if prices are wayy lower than the competition.. Grin Grin Grin
sr. member
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Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.

dont mean to offend FC but chineese dont aim top notch handcrafted quality. they aim quantity. and thats perfectly fine imho ...

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  Cheesy

so where is that imaginary "quantity" ? Because I don't see any divs  Roll Eyes
sr. member
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Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.

dont mean to offend FC but chineese dont aim top notch handcrafted quality. they aim quantity. and thats perfectly fine imho ...

yeah but more w/GH than any other manufacturer is a quantity which just won't sell.  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.

dont mean to offend FC but chineese dont aim top notch handcrafted quality. they aim quantity. and thats perfectly fine imho ...
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^

very average, considering other options on the market.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.

Imo AM just has "bullet proof" working average chips... but in mass quantity! ^^
legendary
Activity: 826
Merit: 1004
Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain, Coincraft clone, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

That's not for the chip, that's for the whole miner. The miner isn't an AM product, only the chips are and if people are making miners, they've already bought the chips.
copper member
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Does anyone have a comparison of all the latest chips technologies?
sr. member
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The Ghash.IO mining pool capture 35% of all the network hashrate, and I wanna know what's the specific hashrate does bitfury own ?

a rough estimate, buttfurry chips make up ~30% of the network (i think)
full member
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The Ghash.IO mining pool capture 35% of all the network hashrate, and I wanna know what's the specific hashrate does bitfury own ?
hero member
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Please show me where I can order a Hashratio machine right now and have it delivered in the U.S. for $1.35/gh. You cannot ignore the cost of power supplies and shipping, which are significant.

I'm sure Bitmain could also sell a S2 right now for $1.35/GH if they didn't have to pay for fast, worldwide shipping.

All I'm saying is that the ASICMiner Gen3 products are not going to take the mining world by storm like some in this thread have speculated.

Never said you can have it delivered to the US for that price. But some people can get it for that low.

I added $500 for psus/extras even though you can get 850w for $10 ($100 to power the lot).

Even if shipping is $1000 it would still be about $1.4/gh using cheap server psus or $1.5 using gold rated atx psus.
hero member
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Bitmain S2s are available for $1650 right now ($1.65 per GH), and they ship on 5-25. The S2 also comes with a power supply and doesn't require a host computer, so the pricing is basically identical except I have less hassle to setup and run a S2.

Even though that group buy is only for 100 units and is around 30% off bitmains price, $1.65/gh is really not even close to $1.35/gh.

Where are you getting $1.35/GH?

According to this link, the price is $1.50/GH plus the cost of a power supply and rip, plus $200 shipping, which equals between $1500-1600 for 800 GH.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6771994


They are reselling hashratio machines.

Hashratio is selling for 68000 yuan ($11,000) for 8.5TH. Add another $500 for psus/parts and you get $1.35/gh.

Please show me where I can order a Hashratio machine right now and have it delivered in the U.S. for $1.35/gh. You cannot ignore the cost of power supplies and shipping, which are significant.

Also, I thought Hashratio was not taking any new orders, so the only way to buy their products is through a reseller, which will add an additional markup.

I'm sure Bitmain could also sell a S2 right now for $1.35/GH if they didn't have to pay for fast, worldwide shipping and include a 1000W power supply.

All I'm saying is that the ASICMiner Gen3 products are not going to take the mining world by storm like some in this thread have speculated. Asicminer Gen3 is competitive with current Coincraft, Bitmain, and Spondoolies-Tech offerings, but they don't seem to offer an advantage and ASICMiner is late to the 1W/GH party.

If Gen4 doesn't come out in the next 2-3 months, ASICMiner will be behind again when they have to compete against the S3 and SP30.
hero member
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Bitmain S2s are available for $1650 right now ($1.65 per GH), and they ship on 5-25. The S2 also comes with a power supply and doesn't require a host computer, so the pricing is basically identical except I have less hassle to setup and run a S2.

Even though that group buy is only for 100 units and is around 30% off bitmains price, $1.65/gh is really not even close to $1.35/gh.

Where are you getting $1.35/GH?

According to this link, the price is $1.50/GH plus the cost of a power supply and rip, plus $200 shipping, which equals between $1500-1600 for 800 GH.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6771994


They are reselling hashratio machines.

Hashratio is selling for 68000 yuan ($11,000) for 8.5TH. Add another $500 for psus/parts and you get $1.35/gh.
hero member
Activity: 742
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Bitmain S2s are available for $1650 right now ($1.65 per GH), and they ship on 5-25. The S2 also comes with a power supply and doesn't require a host computer, so the pricing is basically identical except I have less hassle to setup and run a S2.

Even though that group buy is only for 100 units and is around 30% off bitmains price, $1.65/gh is really not even close to $1.35/gh.

Where are you getting $1.35/GH?

According to this link, the price is $1.50/GH plus the cost of a power supply and rpi, plus $200 shipping, which equals between $1500-1600 for 800 GH.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6771994
hero member
Activity: 770
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Bitmain S2s are available for $1650 right now ($1.65 per GH), and they ship on 5-25. The S2 also comes with a power supply and doesn't require a host computer, so the pricing is basically identical except I have less hassle to setup and run a S2.

Even though that group buy is only for 100 units and is around 30% off bitmains price, $1.65/gh is really not even close to $1.35/gh.
hero member
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Weren't the rockminer team achieving .67w/gh?

Based on this post, the ASICMiner Gen3 chips are around 1W/GH, which is nothing special. The pricing is barely competitive with current Bitmain and Spondoolies-Tech offerings. If this is what current shareholders were banking on to lift the share price, I think you better take off the rose colored glasses and think again.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6771994

Like I said before, I'm hardware agnostic, and am running Knc, Bitmain, and Coincraft units right now. I'm very underwhelmed by the current ASICMiner Gen3 offering and feel much better about loading up on Bitmain and Spondoolies-Tech offerings after seeing this!

So $1.4/gh is "barely competitive" against $2.3/gh? (sp10/S2)

Be honest, are you really going to buy another S2/sp10 after seeing this pricing? Even the dirt cheap A1 machines look expensive now.

Bitmain S2s are available for $1650 right now ($1.65 per GH), and they ship on 5-25. The S2 also comes with a power supply and doesn't require a host computer, so the pricing is basically identical except I have less hassle to setup and run a S2.
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