The gun-loving crowd must be delusional to believe the Government with the biggest defense budget in the world (by far) "fears his citizens" because they own handguns and rifles.
People stood up against their Governments many times in history, and armed or not, the final outcome depended almost always on who the army decided to side with. Guns or no guns, that's not gonna change (most recent ex. Egypt).
Plus, there is a lot of nit picking in here regarding statistics related to guns and different regulations, but you guys forget to mention the main non opinable cold hard fact, supported by statistics worldwide: more guns = more homicides.
Then we can discuss if some stupid regulator should be able to decide what I should or shouldn't own, but please let do not make retarded assumptions like the Government with the strongest army in the world fears his citizens because they have guns.
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I was hinting at the Patriots Act, Protect America Act and what have you not by now, stripping the American populace of basic rights.
But Kluge raises an important point, where were the protests when all that shit went down?
Although i dont agree wit the protecting hegemony part, i still believe that the government has by now the ultimate power to subvert and manipulate its armed populace to the point, where 99% dont even notice it(and no shit are backing it).
Unfortunately thats true for most western countries too, but at least check and balance works to a great extend.
But Kluge raises an important point, where were the protests when all that shit went down?
Although i dont agree wit the protecting hegemony part, i still believe that the government has by now the ultimate power to subvert and manipulate its armed populace to the point, where 99% dont even notice it(and no shit are backing it).
Unfortunately thats true for most western countries too, but at least check and balance works to a great extend.
The only genocide that can happen in the U.S. will be with nukes, after all oathkeepers are purged from all ranks of the government and military. Taking the current cold civil war hot with a ground war will incur unacceptable losses, from the tyrants' side.
And again we are down to the point where armed citizens would make a difference.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
Pray and hope we never need to use them.
M
Even if the federal government banned all firearms in one go, there would almost certainly be no full-scale rioting. Maybe a bunch of armed old farts will walk down a public street. Nobody in government is afraid of armed citizens until they drive through an impoverished neighborhood. Everyone else seems too worried about their image as cautious, responsible individuals who seem to only own guns on principle.
(not that I'm arguing for gun regulation, just don't think anyone can seriously say an armed US citizenry is pressuring government)
These are bad times, yes. However, armed revolt would not accomplish a thing, and it would make us no better than them. Two wrong's don't make it right. I'm certain the government would LOVE a small armed revolt, and it would clamp down on it real fast.
I think only if the government fires the first shot will their be widespread resistance. Then it would be self defense, you see, against an armed aggressor. Considering they've bought billions of hollowpoint ammo for no apparent reason, that time may be sooner than we'd like.
The ideal situation is A) the government changes by Godly individuals getting in or B) it collapses under its own weight. Armed revolution is a last resort.
M
And again we are down to the point where armed citizens would make a difference.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
Pray and hope we never need to use them.
M
Even if the federal government banned all firearms in one go, there would almost certainly be no full-scale rioting. Maybe a bunch of armed old farts will walk down a public street. Nobody in government is afraid of armed citizens until they drive through an impoverished neighborhood. Everyone else seems too worried about their image as cautious, responsible individuals who seem to only own guns on principle.
(not that I'm arguing for gun regulation, just don't think anyone can seriously say an armed US citizenry is pressuring government)
And again we are down to the point where armed citizens would make a difference.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
Pray and hope we never need to use them.
M
And again we are down to the point where armed citizens would make a difference.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
What have you done in 2002 when you have been stripped of your most important guaranteed rights to you where taken away with no supreme court ruling.
Waht have you done in 2006 and 2008?
What are you doing now that that the world is exposed to your governments crimes.
Ignorance is bliss.
It's a fact that armed Americans saved your smug little realm in two World Wars, so don't whine about your NATO obligations. Why display such a staggering lack of gratitude?
American guns did a fine job of repelling the British King George.
American guns also prevented catastrophic invasion, in our own darkest hour.
Ok, you are still bathing in the accomplishments 70 years ago.American guns did a fine job of repelling the British King George.
American guns also prevented catastrophic invasion, in our own darkest hour.
But what has your government done since than besides bombing countlees countries back to the stone age, installing puppet governments and overthrowing counties for their sole purpose?
I do know for a fact that in certain rare and unfortunate occasions having quick access to a firearm means the difference between...
It's a fact that armed Americans saved your smug little realm in two World Wars, so don't whine about your NATO obligations. Why display such a staggering lack of gratitude?
American guns did a fine job of repelling the British King George.
American guns also prevented catastrophic invasion, in our own darkest hour.
Ok, you are still bathing in the accomplishments 70 years ago.American guns did a fine job of repelling the British King George.
American guns also prevented catastrophic invasion, in our own darkest hour.
But what has your government done since than besides bombing countlees countries back to the stone age, installing puppet governments and overthrowing counties for their sole purpose?
I do have protection though. Do you think guns will protect you from your government or an invading country? What is your rifle going to do against a warship, a jet fighter? Some Americans, no offence tend to have a distorted view of the rest of the world. The only reason the UK still has enemies in my opinion is because we keep following your war path, the Queen has nothing to do with me as far as I am concerned. I would argue we have far more rights then the US, if you think we are owned by the Queen then your are owned by the IRS, Microsoft, Wells Fargo and all the other corps funding your politicians. Most UK citizens I feel would agree that guns and the gun culture that goes with it are not good for humanity. Like I said your system is so trigger happy that I dont blame you that you need a gun to feel safe. Just remember the more you support gun culture, the more advanced your government will be relative to your own stock. I think the US has made so many enemies that the UK has little to worry about.
Anyway this is not a pissing contest, here is a reality check.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
Anyway this is not a pissing contest, here is a reality check.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
No pissing here mate, just an honest observer informing you of facts of which you seem unaware.
It's a fact that armed Americans saved your smug little realm in two World Wars, so don't whine about your NATO obligations. Why display such a staggering lack of gratitude?
American guns did a fine job of repelling the British King George.
American guns also prevented catastrophic invasion, in our own darkest hour.
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In 1960, Robert Menard was a commander aboard the USS Constellation when he was part of a meeting between United States Navy personnel and their counterparts in the Japanese Defense Forces.
Fifteen years had passed since VJ Day, most of those at the meeting were WWII veterans, and men who had fought each other to the death at sea were now comrades in battle who could confide in each other.
Someone at the table asked a Japanese admiral why, with the Pacific Fleet devastated at Pearl Harbor and the mainland U.S. forces in what Japan had to know was a pathetic state of unreadiness, Japan had not simply invaded the West Coast.
Commander Menard would never forget the crafty look on the Japanese commander's face as he frankly answered the question.
'You are right,' he told the Americans. 'We did indeed know much about your preparedness. We knew that probably every second home in your country contained firearms. We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand.'
Fifteen years had passed since VJ Day, most of those at the meeting were WWII veterans, and men who had fought each other to the death at sea were now comrades in battle who could confide in each other.
Someone at the table asked a Japanese admiral why, with the Pacific Fleet devastated at Pearl Harbor and the mainland U.S. forces in what Japan had to know was a pathetic state of unreadiness, Japan had not simply invaded the West Coast.
Commander Menard would never forget the crafty look on the Japanese commander's face as he frankly answered the question.
'You are right,' he told the Americans. 'We did indeed know much about your preparedness. We knew that probably every second home in your country contained firearms. We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand.'
If Japan had invaded the west coast, do you think we would have been able to free Europe?
Or would you be speaking German right now, if the 2nd Amendment hadn't kept the mainland safe?
Obviously a rifle or pistol is not going to be aimed directly and fired ineffectually at a jet, warship or tank.
Rather they'll be used against their operators, commanders, and supply lines.
In WW2, cheap disposable pistols called Liberators were sent to French resistance. Your knee-jerk incredulity dishonors the memory of their bravery. You sir, are delicate pansy ready to wilt at first whiff of coercion!
Where the FUCK do you get off insulting our intelligence with your idiotic 'Hurr-Durr rifle can't stop a warship' strawman?
Bloody peasant, George Washington is on US$ (not Exxon) but Her Majesty is on yours. You, your family, and any children you may have are Her personal property. The idea that such Euro-trash chattel would presume to lecture free, sovereign, independent Americans on RKBA is appalling.
In the UK teachers and most police don't have guns, the problem is American gun culture. To be fair though, your police are so insane that I don't blame you for wanting guns to feel safe, it is all the US knows. We are much safer here without guns.
The UK also has a much higher violent crime rate and that rate has increased over the last 20 years. In the US most burglaries are committed on unoccupied residences, in the UK most burglaries involve occupied ones.
The violent crime rate in the West (including UK) has been decreasing steadily during the last 20 years:
....an idiotic racist bigot, and arguing with you might even be counterproductive since you're the kind of close-minded fool who'll simply interpret everything which is said to mean you are more right. I should have known after the completely out of place Hitler reference.
I'd usually say goodbye, but in your case I'll say Fuck Off.
I'd usually say goodbye, but in your case I'll say Fuck Off.
lol.....It's always telling when people resort to name calling.
So far let's see from the authoritarian gun control liberal freaks we've got a growing collection....
- NRAcrackers
- pics of kids holding AR15s....ALWAYS WHITE
- idiotic racist bigot
Must mean something but I can't think of what. Oh well. Me? I'm PRO CHOICE. Pro choice to buy and carry your gun, or not.
Except for science.
LOL...
By your "definition" Somalia is probably the most free country in the world; guns are prolific and government is virtually non existed.
As for Somalia.. you're mixing up godless individuals with freedom. Yes, they are free. And they are abusing it. See my earlier statements about the only solution is Godly individuals. Every possible combination works with God. None work without.
M
Except for science.
By your "definition" Somalia is probably the most free country in the world; guns are prolific and government is virtually non existed.
As for Somalia.. you're mixing up godless individuals with freedom. Yes, they are free. And they are abusing it. See my earlier statements about the only solution is Godly individuals. Every possible combination works with God. None work without.
M
Ah I see, you aren't just misinformed, or slightly misguided, you are just an idiotic racist bigot, and arguing with you might even be counterproductive since you're the kind of close-minded fool who'll simply interpret everything which is said to mean you are more right. I should have known after the completely out of place Hitler reference.
I'd usually say goodbye, but in your case I'll say Fuck Off.
lol
Chill dude. Must have hit a nerve there.
M
EDIT: It's always telling when people resort to name calling.
By your "definition" Somalia is probably the most free country in the world; guns are prolific and government is virtually non existed.
As for Somalia.. you're mixing up godless individuals with freedom. Yes, they are free. And they are abusing it. See my earlier statements about the only solution is Godly individuals. Every possible combination works with God. None work without.
M
Ah I see, you aren't just misinformed, or slightly misguided, you are just an idiotic racist bigot, and arguing with you might even be counterproductive since you're the kind of close-minded fool who'll simply interpret everything which is said to mean you are more right. I should have known after the completely out of place Hitler reference.
I'd usually say goodbye, but in your case I'll say Fuck Off.
Oh fuck, now sects are brought into the equation, too.
By your "definition" Somalia is probably the most free country in the world; guns are prolific and government is virtually non existed.
As for Somalia.. you're mixing up godless individuals with freedom. Yes, they are free. And they are abusing it. See my earlier statements about the only solution is Godly individuals. Every possible combination works with God. None work without.
M
No no no, lets stick with you "definition" for a while. So far that 2nd amendment has done NOTHING to protect any of the other amendments, so I doubt that's actually the case, and I think it's in fact part of a pretty elaborate fantasy shared by many gun-owning Americans.
By your "definition" Somalia is probably the most free country in the world; guns are prolific and government is virtually non existed.
By your "definition" Somalia is probably the most free country in the world; guns are prolific and government is virtually non existed.
Two wrong's don't make it right. America is still free. If big brother keeps pushing, he will have a rebellion on his hands. He doesn't want to go there because the people can defend themselves. What, people can't defend against a military? Look at the US's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. The only way to completely control a population is to strip them of their right to defend themselves. It worked perfectly in China, the USSR, and for Hitler. It would work here too if the people allow it.
M
Banning is never an answer, violence is something that is rotten in culture and that needs to be eradicated by the society as a whole, but for sure the gun-loving fucktards that defend that more guns = less deaths are not helping at all.
Hint: This is what the debate is actually about. Gun control advocates see guns as a psychological symbol of violence, and think that by getting rid of guns they will get rid of violence.
But none will ever show any actual evidence that getting rid of guns will lower overall violent deaths and crime rates, they'll obfuscate the issue by using the loaded term "gun deaths" that doesn't take into consideration whether those supposed prevented deaths just switched to violent deaths with other weapons, so...
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