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Quote from: bernard75 on July 22, 2013, 01:04:59 AM

I was hinting at the Patriots Act, Protect America Act and what have you not by now, stripping the American populace of basic rights.
But Kluge raises an important point, where were the protests when all that shit went down?

Where? All over.
There was a very vocal minority of protests.
https://www.google.com/search?q=protest+patriot+act&tbm=isch
The Vietnam war protests were also a vocal minority.
Post Snowden? who knows...

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And so it would appear that:

Switzerland has more rapes per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more assaults per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more car thefts per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more drug offenses per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more murders committed by youths per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more murders committed with firearms per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more prisoners per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more suicides per capita than Japan.
Switzerland has more total crimes per capita than Japan.

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Crime in Japan vs. Switzerland:

Bear in mind that many of the statistics are reported in absolute numbers, not per capita, so you must factor in the population difference.

Japan's population: 127.8 million
Switzerland's population: 7.9 million

Japan has 16 times the population, so do the relevant math where necessary.

Here are some statistics for you: http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Japan/Switzerland/Crime

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Quote from: FirstAscent on July 22, 2013, 12:14:42 PM

Quote from: Rampion on July 22, 2013, 12:12:58 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on July 22, 2013, 12:05:37 PM

Japan/United States comparison (for years where there is data for both):

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2008: 0.09 / 4.0
2002: 0.04 / 4.1
2001: 0.04 / 3.9

In summary, Japan has about 50 to 100 times less gun homicides per capita.

That's so obvious it shouldn't even be noted, the interesting thing is that while 10% of swiss households have guns (18% in the US), their homicide rate is lower than some countries were guns are banned.

It should be remarked that in Switzerland there is no "gun loving culture" at all, guns cannot be carried in public unless a reservist is en route to his unit for training or you have a special permit (for example because you do a security job, no other exceptions).

Anyhow, IMO this just points out again than education is more effective than banning. In any case, you can bet that if there were no guns in Switzerland the homicide rate would be even lower.

That's what the gun lovers here don't get: Switzerland tightly regulates firearms.

Anyway, for Rassah, I'm working up some crime statistics of Japan vs. Switzerland.

Edited my previous post to correct one of your statistics.

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Quote from: Rampion on July 22, 2013, 12:12:58 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on July 22, 2013, 12:05:37 PM

Japan/United States comparison (for years where there is data for both):

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2008: 0.09 / 4.0
2002: 0.04 / 4.1
2001: 0.04 / 3.9

In summary, Japan has about 50 to 100 times less gun homicides per capita.

That's so obvious it shouldn't even be noted, the interesting thing is that while 10% of swiss households have guns (18% in the US), their homicide rate is lower than some countries were guns are banned.

It should be remarked that in Switzerland there is no "gun loving culture" at all, guns cannot be carried in public unless a reservist is en route to his unit for training or you have a special permit (for example because you do a security job, no other exceptions).

Anyhow, IMO this just points out again than education is more effective than banning. In any case, you can bet that if there were no guns in Switzerland the homicide rate would be even lower.

That's what the gun lovers here don't get: Switzerland tightly regulates firearms.

Anyway, for Rassah, I'm working up some crime statistics of Japan vs. Switzerland.

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Quote from: FirstAscent on July 22, 2013, 12:05:37 PM

Japan/United States comparison (for years where there is data for both):

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2008: 0.09 / 4.0
2002: 0.04 / 4.1
2001: 0.04 / 3.9

In summary, Japan has about 50 to 100 times less gun homicides per capita.

No. It has between 50 and 100 times less gun homicides per capita, and 10 times less homicides by any means per capita. The interesting thing is that while 10% of swiss households have guns (18% in the US), their homicide rate is lower than some countries were guns are banned.

It should be remarked that in Switzerland there is no "gun loving culture" at all, guns cannot be carried in public unless a reservist is en route to his unit for training or you have a special permit (for example because you do a security job, no other exceptions).

Anyhow, IMO this just points out again than education is more effective than banning. In any case, you can bet that if there were no guns in Switzerland the homicide rate would be even lower.

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Japan/United States comparison (for years where there is data for both):

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2008: 0.09 / 4.0
2002: 0.04 / 4.1
2001: 0.04 / 3.9

In summary, Japan has about 50 to 100 times less gun homicides per capita.

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It seems you have educated people afterall. rofl

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Quote from: bernard75 on July 22, 2013, 11:58:53 AM

Dude, there is no West Germany...hmmm...lemee think since 20+ years.
Doesnt make the stats irreverent though.

In 1989 there was west Germany. I took those from Wikipedia because it is a succinct comparative between crime stats of different countries, and I completed it with 2010 homicide rate.

Best thing I could quickly find from my phone.

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For the United States:

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2011: 3.6
2010: 3.5
2009: 3.7
2008: 4.0
2007: 4.1
2006: 4.2
2005: 4.1
2004: 3.9
2003: 4.1
2002: 4.1
2001: 3.9
2000: 3.8
1999: 3.8
1998: 3.3
1993: 7.0

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Dude, there is no West Germany...hmmm...lemee think since 20+ years.
Doesnt make the stats irreverent though.

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Some statistics for Japan:

Homicides (any method)
2008: 582
2007: 553
2006: 621
2005: 637
2004: 703
2003: 759
2002: 784
2001: 776
2000: 818
1999: 834
1998: 851
1997: 755
1996: 719
1995: 759

Rate of Homicide per 100,000 People (any method)
2008: 0.5
2007: 0.4
2006: 0.5
2005: 0.5
2004: 0.6
2003: 0.6
2002: 0.6
2001: 0.6
2000: 0.7
1999: 0.7
1998: 0.7
1997: 0.6
1996: 0.6
1995: 0.6
1994: 0.6

Gun Homicides
2008: 11
2002: 47
2001: 56
1997: 34
1996: 36
1995: 42

Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
2008: 0.09
2002: 0.04
2001: 0.04
1997: 0.03
1996: 0.03
1995: 0.03
1994: 0.02

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Quote from: Rassah on July 22, 2013, 11:29:00 AM

Hey, can someone dump some statistics comparing crimes in Japan to crimes in Switzerland into this thread?

Switzerland:

Government statistics for the year 2010 records 40 homicides involving firearms, out of the 53 cases of homicide in 2010.

The annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population was 0.70.

Japan:

In 1989 Japan experienced 1.3 robberies per 100,000 population, compared with 48.6 for West Germany, 65.8 for United Kingdom, and 233.0 for the United States; and it experienced 1.1 murder per 100,000 population, compared with 3.9 for West Germany, 1.03 for England and Wales, and 8.7 for the United States that same year.[4] Japanese authorities also solve a high percentage of robbery cases (75.9%, compared with 43.8% for West Germany, 26.5% for Britain, and 26.0% for the United States) and homicide cases (95.9% , compared with 94.4% for Germany, 78.0% for U.K., and 68.3% for the United States). In 2010 annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population was 0.40.

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Hey, can someone dump some statistics comparing crimes in Japan to crimes in Switzerland into this thread?

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Quote from: mdude77 on July 22, 2013, 04:52:29 AM

You also gloss over the fact that you can't get rid of guns completely. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. And governments. (Sorry for the redundancy.)

Quoting memes again, are you? Actually, in reality, it works like this:

When the NRA gets everyone clammering for guns, then lots of guns get manufactured, sold, and transferred into the hands of outlaws. When guns are not outlawed, lots of people without morals have guns.

When guns are really outlawed, (that is, effective laws enforced effectively), the outlaws do not have guns. Japan would be an example.

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Assault weapons and other weapons must remain locked in military bases.

Why soldiers need to risk their lives for a few extra dollars?

There must be peace everywhere, we don't need to use weapons!

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Quote from: Spendulus on July 22, 2013, 06:49:06 AM

Quote from: mdude77 on July 22, 2013, 04:49:11 AM

Quote from: bernard75 on July 22, 2013, 01:04:59 AM

I was hinting at the Patriots Act, Protect America Act and what have you not by now, stripping the American populace of basic rights.
But Kluge raises an important point, where were the protests when all that shit went down?
Although i dont agree wit the protecting hegemony part, i still believe that the government has by now the ultimate power to subvert and manipulate its armed populace to the point, where 99% dont even notice it(and no shit are backing it).
Unfortunately thats true for most western countries too, but at least check and balance works to a great extend.

If nothing else, the government is good at fear mongering.

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The most subversive and revolutionary action would of course, be to promote Bitcoin.

Where we seem to be headed, the US dollar will be worthless. Soldiers don't work or fight if they don't get actually paid.

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Quote from: Rampion on July 22, 2013, 02:21:33 AM

The gun-loving crowd must be delusional to believe the Government with the biggest defense budget in the world (by far) "fears his citizens" because they own handguns and rifles.

People stood up against their Governments many times in history, and armed or not, the final outcome depended almost always on who the army decided to side with. Guns or
no guns, that's not gonna change (most recent ex. Egypt).

See the outcome of the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? Who's winning there?

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Plus, there is a lot of nit picking in here regarding statistics related to guns and different regulations, but you guys forget to mention the main non opinable cold hard fact, supported by statistics worldwide: more guns = more homicides.

You also gloss over the fact that you can't get rid of guns completely. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. And governments. (Sorry for the redundancy.)

As long as those two violet groups have guns, free men should be allowed to defend themselves. If they are not allowed, they are no longer free men, they are slaves, or subjects in the more "political correct" term.

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Quote from: bernard75 on July 22, 2013, 01:04:59 AM

I was hinting at the Patriots Act, Protect America Act and what have you not by now, stripping the American populace of basic rights.
But Kluge raises an important point, where were the protests when all that shit went down?
Although i dont agree wit the protecting hegemony part, i still believe that the government has by now the ultimate power to subvert and manipulate its armed populace to the point, where 99% dont even notice it(and no shit are backing it).
Unfortunately thats true for most western countries too, but at least check and balance works to a great extend.

If nothing else, the government is good at fear mongering.

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