Topic: Atheism brougth us nothing good! (Read 1867 times)

The exact opposite is true...

Atheist countries have the least crime, and the happiest people

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, Switzerland, Australia, etc... predominantly atheist countries top this list, and all the countries at the bottom are highly religious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

I get when you call yourself Moloch you believe this crap Maybe people feels satisfied about the economic situation in this country but defently i have lived in the Nehterlands for almost all my life and nooo people are not so happy

While it is true that there is no definitive atheistic worldview, all atheists share the same fundamental beliefs as core to their personal worldviews. While some want to state that atheism is simply a disbelief in the existence of a god, there really is more to it. Every expression of atheism necessitates at least three additional affirmations:

1. The universe is purely material. It is strictly natural, and there is no such thing as the supernatural (e.g., gods or spiritual forces).

2. The universe is scientific. It is observable, knowable and governed strictly by the laws of physics.

3. The universe is impersonal. It does not a have consciousness or a will, nor is it guided by a consciousness or a will.

Denial of any one of those three affirmations will strike a mortal blow to atheism. Anything and everything that happens in such a universe is meaningless. A tree falls. A young girl is rescued from sexual slavery. A dog barks. A man is killed for not espousing the national religion. These are all actions that can be known and explained but never given any meaning or value.

A good atheist — that is, a consistent atheist — recognizes this dilemma. His only reasonable conclusion is to reject objective meaning and morality. Thus, calling him “good” in the moral sense is nonsensical. There is no morally good atheist, because there really is no objective morality. At best, morality is the mass delusion shared by humanity, protecting us from the cold sting of despair.

Why do christians think they know so much about atheists? (not that it should be difficult to understand a lack of belief... but you just don't get it)

You realize agnostics are also atheists... right? (so much for your "3 additional affirmations")

As for your point about atheists not being good, I object

Atheists are the only "good" people... Atheists are good people because they want society to be a better place for everyone... Atheists realize the benefit of being good over evil... Atheists are good because they love humanity

While it is true that there is no definitive atheistic worldview, all atheists share the same fundamental beliefs as core to their personal worldviews. While some want to state that atheism is simply a disbelief in the existence of a god, there really is more to it. Every expression of atheism necessitates at least three additional affirmations:

1. The universe is purely material. It is strictly natural, and there is no such thing as the supernatural (e.g., gods or spiritual forces).

2. The universe is scientific. It is observable, knowable and governed strictly by the laws of physics.

3. The universe is impersonal. It does not a have consciousness or a will, nor is it guided by a consciousness or a will.

Denial of any one of those three affirmations will strike a mortal blow to atheism. Anything and everything that happens in such a universe is meaningless. A tree falls. A young girl is rescued from sexual slavery. A dog barks. A man is killed for not espousing the national religion. These are all actions that can be known and explained but never given any meaning or value.

A good atheist — that is, a consistent atheist — recognizes this dilemma. His only reasonable conclusion is to reject objective meaning and morality. Thus, calling him “good” in the moral sense is nonsensical. There is no morally good atheist, because there really is no objective morality. At best, morality is the mass delusion shared by humanity, protecting us from the cold sting of despair.

If You’re Only Moral Because of God, “I Don’t Want To Know You”

Don't be mad at Christ. Be mad at people.
Yes typical answer from a religious dude  ..

I thinks that is what they are already doing being mad at the people and not blaming the religion..
And you want more ..

See you don't realise the trouble you cause by what you say over fairy tales ..

Be mad at the people over religion it's the people not the religion..

So now that can cause many outcomes

Not following the religion  Be mad at people.

Mock my religion   Be mad at people.

It's what you religious folk do  Be mad at people.

You read a book claim it to be the truth then go wacko if anyone disagrees with your idea of how the book should be interpreted when really it's all man made stories to sell a book in the olden days..

Like harry potter in 200 years from now ..
Then we will have the new harry potter testament because no one believes in wizards so just like the old testament got changed to the new testament harry potter will in 200 years..

Why is it if something is wrote in a book it's more true than if it's put on the internet ?..

You show people video evidence off youtube and they claim a book hold more substance 

You can see it come out of the persons mouth on many different videos from many different people
using mobile video phones but still a book hold more substance or a news paper ..

So if it's been wrote down in words on paper it's the truth..
But video evidence is a lie ..

Is a library full of books the truth over the internet holding the truth?..

I believe the internet over the library of books..

I do not think that religion or atheism can give something good. Bad people are in different religious trends or atheists. It is more important to educate a person, not his religious faith.

Religious growth is an education. A moral and ethical one

Folks often conflate a religion with its worst adherents. Take Christianity on this board for example. The overwhelming majority of atheist I see are former Christians. They don't object to the message itself, and how could you? When Christianity is done right, it is love, respect and empathy for your fellow man. Like Communism, it looks great on paper (the Bible is made of paper,) the issue is when folks don't follow the message. The hypocrisy turns a lot of folks off of the faith. The fact that there are "bummy" Christians enhances it for me; it tells me the path I walk is necessary, because I need to mitigate those that would cause others suffering.

If Christians acted like the New Testament, what critique, dear atheist, would you have for them? Don't feed the needy? Don't help the sick? Don't turn the other cheek? These are noble ideas.

Don't be mad at Christ. Be mad at people.

I do not think that religion or atheism can give something good. Bad people are in different religious trends or atheists. It is more important to educate a person, not his religious faith.

Atheists tend to think they're above anyone else, anyone who's a person of faith. Most of them just can't stay out of the conversation about religion without bashing it or telling everyone how stupid they are. Tho both of the sides have extremists, but atheists are kind of elitists.

Atheist always want us to believe that our countries are doing so much better now that people are getting less religious!

But all that i see is:
-more depression and less simple happiness
-more organised crime (done by our governments)
-more rudeness
-more stress

What is your idea on this?

Well problem of atheism is that they don't want to listen what other side have to say. And biggest problem about that relation between religion and atheism is that both of them want to convince other side, or random people in their belief.  Just leave everyone to belive in what they want.

@Coincube

Re increased violent and sex crime:

Swedish Christian nationalist would say the cause is mass immigration from sub sahara and middle east muslims.

Re china:

Official numbers are like <3% of the population. (From 1949 until now)
Important is that chinese christianity is just another tool for the chinese communist party to control the population.
The CPC is even appointing the Archbishop for china.

The best example that there exist no western christianity or religious freedom is falung gong.
In 6-7 years they managed to grow to 70 million believers and now the CPC is farming their organs.

The Chinese Government has banned members of the country’s ruling Communist Party from holding any religious beliefs.

An article written by the Wang Zuaon Director of the State Administration for Religious Affairs revealed that all Party members must abandon religion for Marxist atheism or be punished.

It also stated that religious groups should be ‘guided’ by the state in altering their doctrine in order to promote “socialist core values”.

Undermine
Over 88 million people are members of the Communist Party of China (CPC), and many apply to join the Party in order to enjoy better career prospects.

The CPC believes that foreigners have used Christianity and Islam to deliberately spread their political views in China and so undermine the Party, leading Wang Zuaon to introduce the permanent regulations.

He wrote: “Party members should not have religious beliefs, which is a red line for all members”.

Punishment
“Party members should be firm Marxist atheists, obey Party rules and stick to the Party’s faith… they are not allowed to seek value and belief in religion”, he added.

Wang also wrote that Party officials who have a religious faith should be persuaded to give it up, and those who resisted would be punished by the CPC.

Su Wei, a professor at the Party School of the CPC Chongqing Committee responded to Wang’s regulations by referring to Christianity as part of “China’s religious problem”.

Exponential growth
Christianity in China has been accused of being a national security risk, and in the past few years, hundreds of Christian pastors and activists have been arrested.

The international freedom watchdog Freedom House said in March that as many as 100 million people in China are facing “high” or “very high” levels of persecution under Communist rule.

However while religious freedom is under threat, Christianity has been growing exponentially in China.

Academics predict that by 2030 China will have more than 247 million Christians, which would be more than 17 per cent of the projected population.