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legendary
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September 03, 2017, 05:10:30 AM
O.k... so their initial plan for segwit2x kind of flopped because the vast majority of the bitcoin community (absent big blocker nutjob whiners) were interested in activated segwit, but they were not too excited about the 2x portion of that, so since segwit by itself was going to be very powerful by itself, they decided to try their luck at a renegade bcash hardfork with about 2 weeks notice and to attempt to see whether they could confuse folks into supporting that nonsense -
Correct. The hard fork part of Segwit2x does not even have 1% community support. Ergo, I tell everyone to stay away from Garzik, Bitpay, Jihan and run a Bitcoin Core full node.

and even that did not result in any kind of bitcoin price crash beyond a couple of bucks, so now they want to engage in a one-upsmanship attack that seems likely to cause confusion about what are legitimate bitcoin transactions -
To paraphrase Garzik's own words, "the idea is not to create an altcoin, but to become Bitcoin". Roll Eyes

so the core plan to ban segwit2x software in August 2018 is not going to be soon enough - and then what would be the remedy to attempt to address this malicious attack code involving segwit2x in order to lessen possible confusion and disruption? 
Bitcoin Core 0.15.0 will disconnect service bits that are not used / block Segwit2x attack nodes. Any hard fork without consensus is essentially that, an attack. Bitcoin Core will not add replay protection as that would not make sense, i.e. we'd have to keep adding one-sided protection every time someone tried to do this (emphasis on *one-way* replay protection).

Is there a plan yet? 
Plan for what?

From what you are saying it doesn't appear (at this time) that we are going to be issued $100 segwit2x coins that are really spendable in any kind of "clean" way?
Correct. Well, technically you could boot both wallets and try sending transactions simultaneously but even that could cause trouble. Without replay protection, I will not be attempting to dump any Segwit2x shitcoin.
legendary
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September 03, 2017, 05:01:27 AM
After the upcoming Seqwit2x hard fork in November, will there be a new altcoin similar to Bitcoin Cash again?
Altcoin, yes. Similar, not really. Segwit2x does not have replay nor wipe-out protection (actually, it has opt-in replay protection but that is useless). The reason for this is that Jeff Garzik is a very malicious individual who has been bought by the corporations. Stay away from him, Bitpay, Bitmain and similar.
What does that mean in practical terms?  Are we going to get our segwit2x coins to sell for $100 per coin?  hahahaha  Cheesy
That means that a transaction created on the Bitcoin network can be broadcasted onto the Segwit2x altcoin network and vice versa. Ergo they are trying to cause maximum disruption.

O.k... so the initial plan for segwit2x through the NYA (new york agreement) kind of flopped because the vast majority of the bitcoin community (absent big blocker nutjob whiners) were interested in activating segwit, but the bitcoin community was not too excited about the 2x portion of that NYA?

Since it became quite clear that segwit was going to activate by itself, and become very powerful by itself, therefore, they decided to try their luck at a renegade bcash hardfork with about 2 weeks notice and to attempt to see whether they could confuse folks into supporting that bcash nonsense (and confuse people into thinking that bcash was either superior to bitcoin or at least some kind of thing that was close to equivalent.

And even that bcash fork did not result in any kind of bitcoin price crash beyond maybe around $200 bucks or so and a bit of hesitation in the launch of the segwit rocket, so now these big blocker nutjobs want to engage in a one-upsmanship attack on bitcoin that seems likely to cause confusion about what are legitimate bitcoin transactions?

In the meantime,  the core plan to ban segwit2x software in August 2018 is not going to be soon enough - and then what would be the remedy to attempt to stifle this malicious attack code involving segwit2x and the nutjob bigblockers in order to lessen possible confusion and disruption to the real deal bitcoin?  

Is there a plan yet?  

From what you are saying it doesn't appear that, at this time, we are going to be issued any kind of clear and unambigous $100 segwit2x coins that are really spendable in any kind of "clean" way?
legendary
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September 03, 2017, 04:13:31 AM
After the upcoming Seqwit2x hard fork in November, will there be a new altcoin similar to Bitcoin Cash again?
Altcoin, yes. Similar, not really. Segwit2x does not have replay nor wipe-out protection (actually, it has opt-in replay protection but that is useless). The reason for this is that Jeff Garzik is a very malicious individual who has been bought by the corporations. Stay away from him, Bitpay, Bitmain and similar.
What does that mean in practical terms?  Are we going to get our segwit2x coins to sell for $100 per coin?  hahahaha  Cheesy
That means that a transaction created on the Bitcoin network can be broadcasted onto the Segwit2x altcoin network and vice versa. Ergo they are trying to cause maximum disruption.
legendary
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September 03, 2017, 03:51:08 AM
After the upcoming Seqwit2x hard fork in November, will there be a new altcoin similar to Bitcoin Cash again?
Altcoin, yes. Similar, not really. Segwit2x does not have replay nor wipe-out protection (actually, it has opt-in replay protection but that is useless). The reason for this is that Jeff Garzik is a very malicious individual who has been bought by the corporations. Stay away from him, Bitpay, Bitmain and similar.
 

What does that mean in practical terms?  Are we going to get our segwit2x coins to sell for $100 per coin?  hahahaha  Cheesy
legendary
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September 03, 2017, 01:47:51 AM
You're very kind to supply such good info & advice, thanks.

Don't let the n00bs keep you away.

They need you more than ever. #BitcoinCash is gonna create a lot more confusion.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20648531   Cheesy
legendary
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September 03, 2017, 01:10:47 AM
After the upcoming Seqwit2x hard fork in November, will there be a new altcoin similar to Bitcoin Cash again?
Altcoin, yes. Similar, not really. Segwit2x does not have replay nor wipe-out protection (actually, it has opt-in replay protection but that is useless). The reason for this is that Jeff Garzik is a very malicious individual who has been bought by the corporations. Stay away from him, Bitpay, Bitmain and similar.

True, I think everyone knows that putting private keys of the current btc addresses in the bitcoin-wallet is not only not safe, but can lead to collapse. Like imports in principle.
Roll Eyes

Note to Newbies:

You are embarrassing yourselves!
No kidding. Some of these questions are equal to an adult asking how much is 2+2.
legendary
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September 02, 2017, 07:22:22 PM

Note to Newbies:

You are embarrassing yourselves!
full member
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September 02, 2017, 02:02:24 AM
Thanks were useful to read and learn from this, something new. True, I think everyone knows that putting private keys of the current btc addresses in the bitcoin-wallet is not only not safe, but can lead to collapse. Like imports in principle.
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September 01, 2017, 04:05:54 PM
After the upcoming Seqwit2x hard fork in November, will there be a new altcoin similar to Bitcoin Cash again?
member
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September 01, 2017, 02:01:19 AM
spe1 bitcoin 5000now, who knows when it will fall?

It will keep growing until November until the possible fork
Regardless from December you can expect it to reach the moon

Hopefully it would grow more. It's really impressive that bitcoin is growing this fast.
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August 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM
spe1 bitcoin 5000now, who knows when it will fall?

It will keep growing until November until the possible fork
Regardless from December you can expect it to reach the moon
legendary
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August 31, 2017, 09:56:52 PM
spe1 bitcoin 5000now, who knows when it will fall?

Say, what?  Huh
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August 31, 2017, 07:12:02 PM


Thank you.  That may have saved me a lot of work, and it seems a bit strange that no support from Blockchain.info, nor ledger nor trezor were able to point that out to me.

Maybe gives additional support to the wild, wild west of bitcoin and the need to attempt to figure out some things on your own - or at least to increase knowledge about some of the underlying technicals.





You're welcome, and I know what you mean since I spent like 6 hours figuring that out.   Maybe it'll help someone else reading this too.  Tips are quite welcome btw: 1SD2BGmaob83dvmy42pKKw4W81ttfhKqQ   (btc)  Tongue
legendary
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August 31, 2017, 05:23:27 PM
I just moved all my btc from my  blockchain.info wallet from 2013 elsewhere, but when I enter the 12 recovery words from blockchain.info into electron cash, as I did successfully with my electrum wallet before, it shows a blanance of 0 bcc.  What am I doing wrong?
are you sure the address displayed in electoncash is same as your bitcoin address from which you sent the bitcoins to another account?Did you wait till the electron cash synced?If you can then try exporting your private key from blockchain since it's the old account you should have an option to export the private key and then enter that in electron cash and you will see bcc.if there is no option to export private key then you're screwed.contact blockchain support in that case

Thanks, I tried restoring with the 12 keywords first, no dice..0 bcc balance. I also tried sweeping the private key, didn't work.. then I finally found my answer after some google searching, blockchain.info gives you a compressed private key, had to uncompress it first, then entered that key into electron cash and my bcc was there.  Took a while to figure this out.


I would be interested in seeing this information about uncompressing private keys.  Do you have a link?  Anyone?  Because from my post, above, it appears that I may have gone through a process that is longer than necessary, when I could have just attempted to obtain an uncompressed private key (or convert my supposedly compressed private key to an uncompressed one, if that is the right way to describe the process?).

Here's one tool: https://www.bitaddress.org/    under "wallet details"...



Thank you.  That may have saved me a lot of work, and it seems a bit strange that no support from Blockchain.info, nor ledger nor trezor were able to point that out to me.

Maybe gives additional support to the wild, wild west of bitcoin and the need to attempt to figure out some things on your own - or at least to increase knowledge about some of the underlying technicals.



hero member
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August 31, 2017, 05:16:58 PM
I just moved all my btc from my  blockchain.info wallet from 2013 elsewhere, but when I enter the 12 recovery words from blockchain.info into electron cash, as I did successfully with my electrum wallet before, it shows a blanance of 0 bcc.  What am I doing wrong?
are you sure the address displayed in electoncash is same as your bitcoin address from which you sent the bitcoins to another account?Did you wait till the electron cash synced?If you can then try exporting your private key from blockchain since it's the old account you should have an option to export the private key and then enter that in electron cash and you will see bcc.if there is no option to export private key then you're screwed.contact blockchain support in that case

Thanks, I tried restoring with the 12 keywords first, no dice..0 bcc balance. I also tried sweeping the private key, didn't work.. then I finally found my answer after some google searching, blockchain.info gives you a compressed private key, had to uncompress it first, then entered that key into electron cash and my bcc was there.  Took a while to figure this out.


I would be interested in seeing this information about uncompressing private keys.  Do you have a link?  Anyone?  Because from my post, above, it appears that I may have gone through a process that is longer than necessary, when I could have just attempted to obtain an uncompressed private key (or convert my supposedly compressed private key to an uncompressed one, if that is the right way to describe the process?).

Here's one tool: https://www.bitaddress.org/    under "wallet details"...
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August 31, 2017, 03:55:04 AM
I heard Bitcoin mining is sinking down into the blues, which means not profitable to mine.
Does it affect cloud mining too?

Am I going to loose my investment at Hashflare?

Please help me understand.

Thank you in advance.

Cloud mining usually is a scam, or simply something that never will be profitable. I would exit ASAP , I don't know of any profitable cloud mining case
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August 30, 2017, 09:34:23 PM
Got it, thanks.
legendary
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August 30, 2017, 04:46:45 PM
I just moved all my btc from my  blockchain.info wallet from 2013 elsewhere, but when I enter the 12 recovery words from blockchain.info into electron cash, as I did successfully with my electrum wallet before, it shows a blanance of 0 bcc.  What am I doing wrong?
are you sure the address displayed in electoncash is same as your bitcoin address from which you sent the bitcoins to another account?Did you wait till the electron cash synced?If you can then try exporting your private key from blockchain since it's the old account you should have an option to export the private key and then enter that in electron cash and you will see bcc.if there is no option to export private key then you're screwed.contact blockchain support in that case

Thanks, I tried restoring with the 12 keywords first, no dice..0 bcc balance. I also tried sweeping the private key, didn't work.. then I finally found my answer after some google searching, blockchain.info gives you a compressed private key, had to uncompress it first, then entered that key into electron cash and my bcc was there.  Took a while to figure this out.


I would be interested in seeing this information about uncompressing private keys.  Do you have a link?  Anyone?  Because from my post, above, it appears that I may have gone through a process that is longer than necessary, when I could have just attempted to obtain an uncompressed private key (or convert my supposedly compressed private key to an uncompressed one, if that is the right way to describe the process?).
legendary
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August 30, 2017, 04:33:17 PM
I just moved all my btc from my  blockchain.info wallet from 2013 elsewhere, but when I enter the 12 recovery words from blockchain.info into electron cash, as I did successfully with my electrum wallet before, it shows a blanance of 0 bcc.  What am I doing wrong?


I used blockchain.info wallet too, and I already explained what I had to do in order to claim all my BCH, here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21154771

In essence, you need to create a new wallet for every single address set that you have on blockchain.info, and start from 0, and check every balance thereafter.

I had 57 addresses on my blockchain.info account and 33 of them had BCH balances, so I created 57 wallets (0-56), and I used copy and paste a lot but each time I put in all 12 seed words (which I was lucky to be able to copy and paste those too). It took me about 3 hours to recover all my BCH and to send them to an exchange, and it took me about 1 day to receive all the BCH on the exchange with 12 confirmations.

Hope this helps, otherwise, let us know where you are specifically having issues, o.k.?
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August 30, 2017, 09:20:44 AM
Thank you for the guidance!!! Some of the information is really useful for me.
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