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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 29, 2022, 12:02:13 AM

More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

Maybe they think that more machines means more expenses but those that they spend are nothing compared to the profits that they can get later on since gambling is a fun and profitable activity so there will always be a big demand for it. They are the only ones that will be affected if they lessen the number of machines because that means less revenue for them.

Gamblers are not going to be affected with it because like you said they will still find a way. They can do anything even standing and waiting on the line for hours only to play their favorite game which is slots. Op was right. Their moves there are too direct but they should make things easier/slower first.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 29, 2022, 12:02:13 AM

More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

thus. This scenario is some how confusing indecencies that we are mentioning machine as key word or point of contact in this meeting. When we said they are the who has the largest kind of machine for gambling, that means their machine is automated and you can't lose during the time gamble. Or in another way it's means way of getting profit in gambling will reduce. I think i need more clarification about this, particularly.

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Quote from: rodskee on June 08, 2022, 01:12:08 AM

Australia truly love their people and they are even creating Laws after Laws just to help their addicted gamblers to turn into something worth to live because Slot machines is truly addicting , there are several friends of Mine that has this attitude in Playing in slots longer and bigger amount that they can afford to lose.
and ending? ruining their life and family.
I support this initiative to Put those machines in place where they deserve and those are casino houses where gamblers need to go and spend time and money than everywhere it is available.

But machines aren't the only means of gambling in Australia. If gambling addicts would stop using machines due to the banning, they can still look for alternatives such as online casinos. Banning machines won't be enough but it's spreading the awareness about gambling addiction and how to control it. Machines aren't the only thing that attracts gamblers.

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Quote from: rodskee on June 08, 2022, 01:12:08 AM

Australia truly love their people and they are even creating Laws after Laws just to help their addicted gamblers to turn into something worth to live because Slot machines is truly addicting , there are several friends of Mine that has this attitude in Playing in slots longer and bigger amount that they can afford to lose.
and ending? ruining their life and family.
I support this initiative to Put those machines in place where they deserve and those are casino houses where gamblers need to go and spend time and money than everywhere it is available .

Well, what happens is that they are putting an end to a great business model where, because of a few, they can leave many players who play with a lot of responsibility without having fun. I think that the irresponsibility of a player lies in the fact that he allows himself to lose more money than he possesses, and of course that is where addiction problems come from, but apart from all this, I think that the solution is not that of prohibiting, the solution is that people who have these problems go to a psychologist and treat that, because just as they are addicted to gambling, there are many who are addicted to alcohol and that is not why they prohibit alcohol.

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Australia truly love their people and they are even creating Laws after Laws just to help their addicted gamblers to turn into something worth to live because Slot machines is truly addicting , there are several friends of Mine that has this attitude in Playing in slots longer and bigger amount that they can afford to lose.
and ending? ruining their life and family.
I support this initiative to Put those machines in place where they deserve and those are casino houses where gamblers need to go and spend time and money than everywhere it is available .

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I supposed to see that Australia has such a high gambling machine to person ratio. I would not be surprised to see the United States to take that lead or come somewhere close. They are all over here from gas stations, to cell phone stores, hotels etc. Perhaps there is a better way to go about this. I’m curious if identification cards are needed for all of these machines?

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Quote from: Darker45 on June 07, 2022, 10:03:13 PM

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As per the article, pokies are not banned in Western Australia. But not only are they not allowed in pubs and clubs, they are also not allowed in any casino. Western Australia only allows pokies in its Crown Casino in Perth.

It looks like the only place where pokies were allowed in Western Australia might not be able to continue operating:

Quote from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-24/crown-unsuitable-to-hold-wa-casino-licence-royal-commission/100934322

Crown Perth royal commission finds casino giant unsuitable to hold WA's only gaming licence

But it's unsure what will happen there. A similar thing occurred in NSW with Crown Casino in Sydney, and they're now saying they are going to open in days:

Quote from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-03/crown-casino-to-get-gaming-licence-in-sydney/101123642

Crown could secure licence to open Barangaroo casino despite being found unfit by gaming regulator last year

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Quote from: nullama on June 07, 2022, 09:18:10 PM

In Australia these laws are set by every state, so any decision like this would not apply at the federal (national) level.

Indeed. OP is misleading when he/she states Australia rather than New South Wales. The subject itself is misleading for two reasons. One, it is not Australia and, two, a ban is not impending. There are only different plans at this point.

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On the other hand, in Western Australia these machines are banned and they can only be used inside a Casino, and not in every pub like in NSW.

As per the article, pokies are not banned in Western Australia. But not only are they not allowed in pubs and clubs, they are also not allowed in any casino. Western Australia only allows pokies in its Crown Casino in Perth.

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They seem to be trying to stop problem gamblers in NSW though[2], but these measures aren't very effective. For example, a proposed card for gambling is not likely to pass in NSW due to massive lobbying power from the pubs and clubs[3].

Not only lobbying. Apparently, one of the main reasons is the huge revenue that the government generates from them. Not to mention that millions are also poured into political parties.

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In Australia these laws are set by every state, so any decision like this would not apply at the federal (national) level.

For example, the state of New South Wales is the second in the world in terms of number of machines. The only state with more is Nevada (Las Vegas). [1]

On the other hand, in Western Australia these machines are banned and they can only be used inside a Casino, and not in every pub like in NSW.

They seem to be trying to stop problem gamblers in NSW though[2], but these measures aren't very effective. For example, a proposed card for gambling is not likely to pass in NSW due to massive lobbying power from the pubs and clubs[3].

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/gaming-machine-count-puts-nsw-second-in-the-world
[2]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-25/nsw-gambling-laws-aimed-at-problem-gamblers/12696444
[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/15/whistleblower-warns-nsw-gambling-card-at-risk-due-to-industrys-massive-lobbying-power

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Quote from: Similificator on May 03, 2022, 09:30:27 AM

It may really seem as something unfair but just to give them the benefit of the doubt, there may really be some heavy reasons as to why they have reached such a decision. A cause may have been present that would be detrimental for the entire country itself like uncontrolled over gambling that is already affecting the youth and all(although I can not be so sure since I do not know anything about the situation in Australia). On the other hand though, this may be because they just don't want something that is out of their control or something that does not give them much benefits. Whichever the case is, it would be nice if the people are also given a chance to debate about this or be given a voice to speak out. I mean, gambling has been around for decades and people have been used to it. Maybe with good talks, the people and the government may reach some sort of compromise that would be able to benefit both sides.

Australia has a huge market of gambling. Even the tourist likes to try different machines and play when they are visiting the other countries.
Are Aussie not reacting to this decision? or is it just a temporary ban?
I am not sure how will this ban affect the entertainment of the Auiess and the tourists as well?

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It may really seem as something unfair but just to give them the benefit of the doubt, there may really be some heavy reasons as to why they have reached such a decision. A cause may have been present that would be detrimental for the entire country itself like uncontrolled over gambling that is already affecting the youth and all(although I can not be so sure since I do not know anything about the situation in Australia). On the other hand though, this may be because they just don't want something that is out of their control or something that does not give them much benefits. Whichever the case is, it would be nice if the people are also given a chance to debate about this or be given a voice to speak out. I mean, gambling has been around for decades and people have been used to it. Maybe with good talks, the people and the government may reach some sort of compromise that would be able to benefit both sides.

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In my opinion, the New South Wales Green Party is making very illogical and ill-conceived statements. In pubs and clubs, after drinking a glass of cognac, it is very useful to play slot machines. People come to pubs and nightclubs to drink, have fun and gamble. Usually a person allocates a certain budget for a Sunday trip to the bar. Including he plans to play slot machines. Due to the unsuccessful initiative of a political party, Australians will be deprived of the opportunity to play their favorite games of chance in pubs and clubs.

In my opinion, Australian players should ask the Australian legislature to block this harmful legislative initiative.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Australia have more gambling machines per person than anyone else in tbe whole world. Right now an interesting event is happening, there have been numerous calls now to remove all those machines from places like the PUBS and the CLUBS.

According to a news report, the slot machines are not just confined to any casino or any usual place, right now apparently in Australia there is no such law, the machines are everywhere an insight into what might be causing tbe leading probelms with increasing addiction there.

Let me take out the important content from the source here :

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The party devised an eight-step plan to slowly eradicate slot machines from the pubs and clubs where gamblers can spend all day without stopping trying to win big.
The Greens hoped to introduce a $7billion transition package to phase pokies out of society.
'Pokies in pubs will be phased out over five years and pokies in clubs will be phased out over 10 years with a support package for clubs and communities,' the plan said.
Councils would also have the right to cap the number of machines set up in pubs in the area under the plan.
Advertising of gambling on public transport and in sport would also be scrapped under the Greens' initiative.
Their stance on the issue was echoed by former Deputy Leader of the NSW Science Party - now known as Fusion Party - James Jansson.

What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.

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The NSW Greens party has led calls to abolish the gambling machines altogether.

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10761199/amp/Australias-gambling-problem-prompts-calls-pokies-banned.html

Gambling in Australia is common and predominant. To have a lot of slot machines that's almost the same or even exceed the population is quite insane. Although if each area has so many casinos it isn't really surprising.

Banning the slot machines or particularly pokies outright without first analyzing where the problem is coming from and regulating it as a first step to check if the problem will still be resolved doesn't sit well with me. Because after all, these casinos, clubs, and pubs spent money too over those machines. They could at least give a time frame to test whether the problems such as addiction could be solved by regulating it.

In addition, the main problem isn't really about the slot machines. The problems usually comes from within. The person who decides to gamble must be responsible and disciplined enough to know when to stop. Indulging in such activities knowing it has severe repercussions is really foolish. Hopefully, they'll address the issue at its root cause not not just on the surface.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 01, 2022, 09:22:22 AM

I don't know about the state of gambling in Australia is it really that worse that they want to take out all these machines even if gradually if it's that high, but if they are responsible gamblers I don't think they should take them all out if they don't have alternatives for the patrons of these machines, in a country where gambling is tolerated the government just don't take everything out without alternative or transferring to other venues.

As far as I know, Australia is one of those countries where gambling is very widespread. Just imagine if every pub and cafe in your country had several slot machines. I don't think gambling is a bad thing and should be banned completely, but I don't think it will do any good. At least I wouldn't want my child to see all this and take it for granted.

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They are step by step ways of fighting addictions and banning pokies which takes up most of the gamblers time is one amongst them. When an addicted gambler can't get access to the gambling stands it'll help reduce the addiction. Being addicted to gambling is against the gambling rules and the Australian Government will do anything possible to fight such development in the country. In addition, they are some behaviors that requires a citizen to visit the hospital such as attempting murder because they are indebted which resulted from the gambling habit. Such bad news appear rarely on mainstream medias and I believe it doesn't happen regularly.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on April 28, 2022, 12:51:55 PM

If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

That's what suck mostly of the government institutions nowadays, they seem to be overreacting and end up banning all those that they can't control anymore. The machines are just tools, and even if they will vanish, gamblers will always find ways to gamble on other things that will result into addiction. I think what they need to deal is the addiction of their citizens, and they can only do that if they start regulating all those things that seem to be uncontrolled anymore. Its also unfair on the owners of those machines as they will also lose an income if those will be totally disposed.

What would you expect? Government is always been like this on which they would really be making out sudden steps whether they would be accepting or banning it according to their likes which is something not

surprising anymore knowing government will always be loving on having a good control or track on everything and if they do see that there's something wrong or against into their interest then they would make out

such action whether its a beneficial one for the community or totally just because of their personal agenda but speaking or talking for this one then i would say its a good step though.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on April 28, 2022, 12:51:55 PM

If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

That's what suck mostly of the government institutions nowadays, they seem to be overreacting and end up banning all those that they can't control anymore.

I think they are just making their work easier and simple. Banning gambling machines altogether will save them resources and time than regulating it and creating panels of people on deciding which area is ban and which is not. Though I agree with Avikz idea:

Quote from: avikz on April 28, 2022, 01:12:10 PM

Probably Australia can take Las vegas route instead. Designate an area where all gambling houses will be situated and represent it as a tourist destination.

and I think it is very much easier to implement.

Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

The machines are just tools,

And are meant to be disposed of if proven harmful. So I am not against banning them altogether if there is no better way to solve the gambling addiction in a country.

Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

and even if they will vanish, gamblers will always find ways to gamble on other things that will result into addiction.

That is why it is important to ban them all so that addicted gambler will have no way to look for it at least in the physical location. Online gambling will be another story I think. Cheesy

Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

I think what they need to deal is the addiction of their citizens, and they can only do that if they start regulating all those things that seem to be uncontrolled anymore. Its also unfair on the owners of those machines as they will also lose an income if those will be totally disposed.

I highly agree that they need to focus on addicted citizens. But the problem lies ahead because addicted citizens will never comply with regulations since they are as you said are already uncontrollable. Medical treatment of those who are addicted to gambling should be prioritized after the gambling machine ban.

So I think total gambling machine ban and gambling regulation must be implemented at the same time.

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Quote from: dothebeats on April 28, 2022, 12:51:55 PM

If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

That's what suck mostly of the government institutions nowadays, they seem to be overreacting and end up banning all those that they can't control anymore. The machines are just tools, and even if they will vanish, gamblers will always find ways to gamble on other things that will result into addiction. I think what they need to deal is the addiction of their citizens, and they can only do that if they start regulating all those things that seem to be uncontrolled anymore. Its also unfair on the owners of those machines as they will also lose an income if those will be totally disposed.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

Depends on which group you are referring to. It is fair for people who don't want gambling machines in their area, and unfair to those who wanted them. Fair to the family who is greatly affected by their relatives due to gambling problems. Very unfair to the business company that is focused on gambling machines, they will be put out of business in Australia because of this call and many will surely lose their job. Whether this is fair or not, I think, is subjective.

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Quote from: robelneo on April 30, 2022, 07:53:58 PM

They used the harsh word

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abolish

they really hated these gambling machines that they did not offer an alternative to users of these machines, those machines were set up because it was approved by the government committee they should consider the companies and the cost of setting them and the workers that are maintaining them, they just push people to play online away from their jurisdiction.

They are classy because of that "green" word but at the same time rude because of that "abolish" word. When they say abolish I think that means to destroy all gambling machines that they see which is not fair because what if that machines are legal and have permits, most especially they are only placed in the appropriate areas like inside the casinos.

The ones that they should remove are those machines that are wrongly placed because people on all ages are going to get curious to try it and when they become addicted, that's going to be a big problem. Those who placed those machines are the ones that should be blamed other than the irresponsible gambler.

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