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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 10:30:25 AM

Australia have more gambling machines per person than anyone else in tbe whole world. Right now an interesting event is happening, there have been numerous calls now to remove all those machines from places like the PUBS and the CLUBS.

According to a news report, the slot machines are not just confined to any casino or any usual place, right now apparently in Australia there is no such law, the machines are everywhere an insight into what might be causing tbe leading probelms with increasing addiction there.
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To be honest is not the only place where such a machines are not widely allowed outside specific spaces and always with an age control system of shorts. In UK, you will not see a slots in any pub, only in betting houses, in Spain, there is a limitation of 1 machine at bars and restaurants, in many EU countries, these are as well limited. I will not go into limitations in muslim countries and the like but... it is pretty much that way in most places.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 28, 2022, 11:02:13 PM

More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

80% of the gambling machines apparently are located outside the casino as well. I do think this is a problem but they should work with :
•Relocation
•Helping people individually
If they do decide to ban I do not think how good that will work because:
•People will find elsewhere
•Those will be unregulated
•There will be a seperate dark market for it.
Therefore I do think that banning is not really a sure shot idea because that makes things even worse and sometimes it gets out of the hand. Plus this corruption you stated is definately a big deal. Again even though the country places 11th on the transparency list, we can never be so sure.

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I don't know how the development of gambling in Australia is but if the government can't control something, they will remove it or get rid of it to not cause problems for them.
Maybe that's what the Australian government is doing because they can't directly control the slot machines in clubs or pubs.
I don't know if it's fair or unfair because we also don't know the real situation in Australia and can only comment.
But addiction requires serious attention from the government and this needs to be realized by them but maybe what needs to be taken care of is the source of the addiction itself.

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Well, I have no problems with it, I actually think it's okay since, from the article themselves, I think the amount of machines that are deployed is a tad bit too much. I wouldn't really consider it as much of an issue towards addiction but rather just, well, irritating to see might be how I describe it? Due to how cluttered it is across the place. I also don't think it would be a problem for the owners of said machines, I reckon they can just sell it and be used in other countries. I reckon they wouldn't want the machines they have to be associated with addiction and whatnot like that.

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 29, 2022, 04:33:45 AM

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I think it would be a good practice to create several medical institutions to help the gamblers get rid of this problem. In my opinion the main share of funding for such a fund should fall on the shoulders of entrepreneurs who conduct their activities in the sphere of gambling Australia part of the funding should be provided at the expense of the state which collects taxes from these entrepreneurs. I do not know why but it seems to me that reducing the number of gambling establishments will not solve this problem.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 10:30:25 AM

No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan?

Because it's expensive. It's easier to remove and ban slot machines in places where they don't need to be. In all honesty, why do they place pokies in cafés and clubs in the first place? It doesn't make the problem for a gambling addict easier if they can see them everywhere they go.

I don't see it as an unreasonable step at all. Confine gambling and slot machines to casinos because that's where they are supposed to be.

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Quote from: Dave1 on April 28, 2022, 09:00:17 PM

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[1] Fair in what way? from the gamblers? Government has the duty to protect their citizens to become addicted to gambling.
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As the saying goes, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." In theory, this all sounds good, but in practice it all leads to coercion and totalitarianism. For example, the idea that the government should take care of your health also sounds good, but when you are deprived of the choice of food (for the sake of your health) are deprived of the choice of leisure (for the sake of your health they will force you to run instead of resting) you look at this idea differently.

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I do not quite understand why the Australian authorities first allowed so much expansion of gambling and now try to fight it by all available means.

Back in 2017, I read that in Australia there is a very widespread gambling addiction among the population, but as I look from that time not much has changed.

On the one hand I am not in favor of a complete ban on slot machines, but in my opinion they should not stand on every corner.

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I guess that abolishing all gambling machines altogether is the 'easier to implement' solution,compared to keeping the gambling machines while trying to regulate and monitor them all the time.
I was never a big fan of slot machines and I don't mind the Australian government trying to remove them completely from all pubs and clubs.This might help many gambling addicts to fight with their addiction,while other addicts will just find another way to gamble.

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Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

It's fair as long as the gambling licenses of the companies that own the slot machines are taken into consideration.The Australian government doesn't want multiple lawsuits by the slot machine owners,for breaking the conditions of their gambling licenses.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on April 28, 2022, 11:24:07 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 10:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I think that not only is that not very fair, I also believe that it is complete and utter nonsense. Why on earth would there be a need to abolish the machines? Is there any kind of actual reasoning behind that seemingly political decision? Thats what I bet it is, all politics. Politicians just want to make themselves look good so they find something or someone to pick on and normal people suffer for it.

Thats just not right.

Whatever the politicians are up to, its no good for those owners of the machines, they earn from it and the government takes it away from them. How is banning helping the owners, now they have to restart their lives and find something else to make money.

There are also lots of these machines in every gasoline station in US, I would speculate this ban in Australia will also happen in US after some time. If Australians doesn't protest endlessly, its imminent to happen in US.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 10:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I think that not only is that not very fair, I also believe that it is complete and utter nonsense. Why on earth would there be a need to abolish the machines? Is there any kind of actual reasoning behind that seemingly political decision? Thats what I bet it is, all politics. Politicians just want to make themselves look good so they find something or someone to pick on and normal people suffer for it.

Thats just not right.

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More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 28, 2022, 11:00:18 AM

I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.

Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.

Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.

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It is wrong to just blame one of either parties. It is wrong to just blame the government for not putting up regulations, but it is also wrong to just blame the players for not being responsible gamblers. You cannot just blame the government for not putting up as many medical support systems for gambling addicts as possible, but you cannot also blame the gamblers for not gaining adequate knowledge on addiction and the mental disorders associated with it.

There has to be a collaborative effort for this. Balanced regulations plus gambling education and awareness are the best ways forward.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 10:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

[1] Fair in what way? from the gamblers? Government has the duty to protect their citizens to become addicted to gambling.

[2] It could be done if the government wanted to, but from the looks of it, seems not to be bothered to implement a law because it's a booming business.

[3] Yeah, this is the solution and put tax on it so it's a win win. However, they will also need to take into account the number of people that are going to be addicted.

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I never thought about this and was not aware that Australia has a lot of slots machine all over their country. But the question is, how long has this been going on for Australia? And why are there no bill to curb at least the rampant growth of machines which can be equate to Australian being addicted to it? I've known one person though who is a local who travels to Australia and stay there for years. And when he comebacks, he is addicted to casino's until all of his money are gone.

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Green party are a force in some countries but there is a large difference from a proposal to a reality enforced. I can sympathize with the idea of the legislation to reduce convenience or line of sight type of gambling, I do not recommend drinking while betting in any size as I think it removes best judgement and you dont want to lose anything substantial while not fully recognizing the risks taken. I always argue freedom and fun to gambling but it can be a problem for some so some areas of a town should be clear though a drinking establishment is normally a fair adults type venue.

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with so many gambling machines everywhere, it's going to create gambling addiction. in my country, even online cockfighting creates massive addiction where gamblers commit suicide.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 10:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

It entirely depends on the social situation in Australia. If gambling has really become a big social issue, then it's no wonder that government will step in to eradicate that issue slowly but surely. Especially if it is affecting the youth. So I don't see anything unfair in this.

Probably Australia can take Las vegas route instead. Designate an area where all gambling houses will be situated and represent it as a tourist destination. But again, if government can't control an issue, they prefer to ban it.

kinda easy to tax too when they have this kind of route. and this will also lessen the gambling problem in the country. they're the number one country with the highest gambling rates according to this thread.

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in my country there was also a time when there were many slot machines, I watched many people playing, it was something that I thought: "at least those people are having fun, they are not stealing or fighting" so I would look at those machines as a good thing because it was making people have fun, but weeks later I see the government of my country complaining that the machines were illegally on the streets and that many children were stealing money to go play the slot machine. i don't know about australian laws or australian way of life, but i have to say that this issue of street slot machines needs to be controlled and not banned on the streets because they have their good side which is providing people with fun , we can't demonize slot machines by blaming them by saying they can make people addicted

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Quote from: acroman08 on April 28, 2022, 12:25:13 PM

reading that there are more slot machines than people in Australia I understand their concern but I doubt they'll be able to "phase out" the slot machines in the community. what I think they should have is stricter regulations for gambling or at least where the machines should be placed. trying to abolish slot machines altogether just won't happen and is just wishful thinking.

More slot machines is surely a problem. According to a survey data from 2021 it is found that Australia on the top of most addicted gamblers in the world losing an average of $1288. In specific 40% of Australians gamble in the daily basis. This is a big number considering the population of around 26.5 million. As mentioned going with strict regulations is good than getting into complete abolishing of the machines. It is the right moment for the government to act wise and keep its citizens under control.

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