What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.
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What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.
The thing is..... Australians lose a staggering A$24.9 billion a year to gambling and are some of the world’s heaviest gamblers per capita. {Source : https://intheblack.cpaaustralia.com.au/ethics-and-governance/how-policy-reform-solve-gambling-australia }
So, the Australian government has been getting a lot of negative publicity and the media are being used to push the government to regulate gambling in Australia a lot more.
Take a look at this e-Brief ==> https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/researchpapers/Documents/Gambling_an%20update.pdf ....it makes for some interesting reading.
So, the Australian government has been getting a lot of negative publicity and the media are being used to push the government to regulate gambling in Australia a lot more.
Take a look at this e-Brief ==> https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/researchpapers/Documents/Gambling_an%20update.pdf ....it makes for some interesting reading.
That is a really serious record on Australia there with much losses in gambling. I wonder where such money go to if it is only in the pucket of casino and gambling sites owners or the Australian government making big tax profit from the losses because the players are making negative to themselves. Gambling has some negative spirit and you won't stop when you are losing.
The thing is..... Australians lose a staggering A$24.9 billion a year to gambling and are some of the world’s heaviest gamblers per capita. {Source : https://intheblack.cpaaustralia.com.au/ethics-and-governance/how-policy-reform-solve-gambling-australia }
So, the Australian government has been getting a lot of negative publicity and the media are being used to push the government to regulate gambling in Australia a lot more.
Take a look at this e-Brief ==> https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/researchpapers/Documents/Gambling_an%20update.pdf ....it makes for some interesting reading.
So, the Australian government has been getting a lot of negative publicity and the media are being used to push the government to regulate gambling in Australia a lot more.
Take a look at this e-Brief ==> https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/researchpapers/Documents/Gambling_an%20update.pdf ....it makes for some interesting reading.
I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.
Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.
Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.
To be honest, I rarely read the Politics section and the like, so I didn’t notice that there are a lot of socialists here, it’s sad if so.
As for the stupidity of the leftists and the fact that their prohibitions are easy to get around - yes it is. But I believe that bypassing the ban is a losing path, because by trying to get around the ban you recognize that someone has the right to restrict you. It is unacceptable.
Plus, it should be borne in mind that they never stop (until they get a rebuff), for example, in the case under discussion, their next step will be to ban access to online casinos (as has already been implemented in many countries). This can be bypassed with the help of VPN, but they will again come up with the "next" ban. This is a road to nowhere, it is better not to start it.
If you look carefully you will see that they are not going to completely ban gambling they only want to reduce the gambling addiction of citizens by gradually reducing the number of gambling machines and which are placed on almost every corner in pubs, bars, etc. Think about it, is it good when about 70-80% of adult Australians gamble? Personally for me it is just an unacceptable statistic and I see nothing wrong with this initiative.
I don't know about the state of gambling in Australia is it really that worse that they want to take out all these machines even if gradually if it's that high, but if they are responsible gamblers I don't think they should take them all out if they don't have alternatives for the patrons of these machines, in a country where gambling is tolerated the government just don't take everything out without alternative or transferring to other venues.
I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.
Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.
Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.
To be honest, I rarely read the Politics section and the like, so I didn’t notice that there are a lot of socialists here, it’s sad if so.
As for the stupidity of the leftists and the fact that their prohibitions are easy to get around - yes it is. But I believe that bypassing the ban is a losing path, because by trying to get around the ban you recognize that someone has the right to restrict you. It is unacceptable.
Plus, it should be borne in mind that they never stop (until they get a rebuff), for example, in the case under discussion, their next step will be to ban access to online casinos (as has already been implemented in many countries). This can be bypassed with the help of VPN, but they will again come up with the "next" ban. This is a road to nowhere, it is better not to start it.
If you look carefully you will see that they are not going to completely ban gambling they only want to reduce the gambling addiction of citizens by gradually reducing the number of gambling machines and which are placed on almost every corner in pubs, bars, etc. Think about it, is it good when about 70-80% of adult Australians gamble? Personally for me it is just an unacceptable statistic and I see nothing wrong with this initiative.
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Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?
Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?
I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions. I hope that in Australia there is a conscious population and a strong gaming lobby and they will not allow idiots to tell adults how they should live and where to spend their honestly earned money.
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they really hated these gambling machines that they did not offer an alternative to users of these machines, those machines were set up because it was approved by the government committee they should consider the companies and the cost of setting them and the workers that are maintaining them, they just push people to play online away from their jurisdiction. 
I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.
Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.
Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.
To be honest, I rarely read the Politics section and the like, so I didn’t notice that there are a lot of socialists here, it’s sad if so.
As for the stupidity of the leftists and the fact that their prohibitions are easy to get around - yes it is. But I believe that bypassing the ban is a losing path, because by trying to get around the ban you recognize that someone has the right to restrict you. It is unacceptable.
Plus, it should be borne in mind that they never stop (until they get a rebuff), for example, in the case under discussion, their next step will be to ban access to online casinos (as has already been implemented in many countries). This can be bypassed with the help of VPN, but they will again come up with the "next" ban. This is a road to nowhere, it is better not to start it.
More slot machines is surely a problem. According to a survey data from 2021 it is found that Australia on the top of most addicted gamblers in the world losing an average of $1288. In specific 40% of Australians gamble in the daily basis. This is a big number considering the population of around 26.5 million. As mentioned going with strict regulations is good than getting into complete abolishing of the machines. It is the right moment for the government to act wise and keep its citizens under control.
But yes these a very common situation when it comes gambling and they need to process it. and for me IMO there still chance for those machines to stay because indeed government can get benefits from it as well, so perhaps it will become restricted only.
I was really surprised to see that Australians are so big into gambling. In another thread here about the top 10 countries that have the highest gambling losses per person Australia was among the top. I never been to Australia, but I always thought that they enjoy life at the beach, drinking beer and having a barbecue. Why would you stay in doors and gamble so much? Also, it would be surprising if all this gambling is only done on slot machines.
To me it seems excessive to get rid of all the spot machines in the next 5-10 years. What will they do with all the old machines? Sell to other countries? Why not start with a limitation of slot machines per venues? There is really no need to use the ban hammer, it seems excessive. Would be good to know if the majority of Australians are behind such a ban. If politicians feel like the slot machines make too much money, and gamblers are losing too much, why not regulate the market? They could increase the RTP to a certain minimum level, below that they wouldn't be able to be sold in Australia. I know that slot machines are much more common in USA than they are in Europe and that the payout ratio is also much higher in the States.
To me it seems excessive to get rid of all the spot machines in the next 5-10 years. What will they do with all the old machines? Sell to other countries? Why not start with a limitation of slot machines per venues? There is really no need to use the ban hammer, it seems excessive. Would be good to know if the majority of Australians are behind such a ban. If politicians feel like the slot machines make too much money, and gamblers are losing too much, why not regulate the market? They could increase the RTP to a certain minimum level, below that they wouldn't be able to be sold in Australia. I know that slot machines are much more common in USA than they are in Europe and that the payout ratio is also much higher in the States.
More slot machines is surely a problem. According to a survey data from 2021 it is found that Australia on the top of most addicted gamblers in the world losing an average of $1288. In specific 40% of Australians gamble in the daily basis. This is a big number considering the population of around 26.5 million. As mentioned going with strict regulations is good than getting into complete abolishing of the machines. It is the right moment for the government to act wise and keep its citizens under control.
Disagree. Do you really think by lessening the machines, will solve the problem? It's not even a band-aid solution, to begin with.
I don't know how's gambling in Australia but if they are really serious about the problem, why not just limit the machines exclusively at casinos and not in pubs? In that way, people have no choice but just to gamble in casinos which others might found not that easy for average gamblers there.
The problem of gambling can't be solved since it's also a major contributor to the government's revenue while at the same time, people themselves can't fight the temptation of doing gambling.
The mentioned measure is only going to drive gamblers to new gambling methods that can fully replace the functionality of currently slots at pubs. Virtual casinos become an accessible, affordable and feasible alternative this way. That is actually an interesting event for crypto casinos to increase their range and customers' base.
If politicians want to fight addiction among gamblers in Australia, they have to come with fresh, original ideas which go beyond the failed concept of banning and destroying machines. That approach is very popular and known already, especially at third world countries, and I can assure in no way it achieves any improvement on the goal of stopping addiction.
The problem of addiction isn't on the machines or at the casinos. The problem is inside some individuals who can't control their gambling habits and that is how the issue should start being addressed.
If politicians want to fight addiction among gamblers in Australia, they have to come with fresh, original ideas which go beyond the failed concept of banning and destroying machines. That approach is very popular and known already, especially at third world countries, and I can assure in no way it achieves any improvement on the goal of stopping addiction.
The problem of addiction isn't on the machines or at the casinos. The problem is inside some individuals who can't control their gambling habits and that is how the issue should start being addressed.
I don't think that is accurate.
I've just recently seen news about them potentially placing betting limits on these machines, which I think is completely ineffective if their goal is to stop people from losing money.
Target the problems at its core. Problem gambling is simply a symptom of more grave, deep-rooted problems in society.
I've just recently seen news about them potentially placing betting limits on these machines, which I think is completely ineffective if their goal is to stop people from losing money.
Target the problems at its core. Problem gambling is simply a symptom of more grave, deep-rooted problems in society.
They are taking away profits from operators and workers of those machines and disregarding the tax they are paying.
They cannot tax and control those casinos online that are not in their jurisdiction.
It's okay that those operators are losing profits. They cannot tax and control those casinos online that are not in their jurisdiction.
What's better to them is to help people catch addiction in almost every place and that's why they've stepped in and took the action that they think is necessary.
The people that are into this business would really have their decrease in profits but they can't do anything about that.
What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.
They are taking away profits from operators and workers of those machines and disregarding the tax they are paying.
They cannot tax and control those casinos online that are not in their jurisdiction.
If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.
It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.
Banning does not make any sense because it does not reduce the total number of gamblers in their country. The government should create rules about these machines and regulate them maybe, but not putting a total ban in it because that would also be unfair on the gambler's right to play. If their concern is to lessen addiction, then they should tighten their policy so as not to see these machines everywhere, but limiting its areas only.It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.
always have the final say and decisions when it comes to things, neither they would be banning it or not then its up to their choice and decision.Its just sad for those who had been playing with these type of games
if ever it would be decided for it to be banned.Avoid addiction for its citizens is a good initiative but sometimes its not really that justifiable if its not really that rampant.
I never thought about this and was not aware that Australia has a lot of slots machine all over their country. But the question is, how long has this been going on for Australia? And why are there no bill to curb at least the rampant growth of machines which can be equate to Australian being addicted to it? I've known one person though who is a local who travels to Australia and stay there for years. And when he comebacks, he is addicted to casino's until all of his money are gone.
If only you will see the surveys if which country gambles the most, you will see that australia is always on the top. Here is a sample. There are no bills maybe because their government are also into gambling and they encourage the people to do the same or maybe people on that country are still responsible and are not heavily addicted.It's just many people play gambling on that country. Your friend is only unlucky that he got addicted but I think being addicted starts with us and not on the things around us. If we don't want to get addicted we must control our selves. Gambling is not bad as long as done in moderation.
If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.
It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.
Banning does not make any sense because it does not reduce the total number of gamblers in their country. The government should create rules about these machines and regulate them maybe, but not putting a total ban in it because that would also be unfair on the gambler's right to play. If their concern is to lessen addiction, then they should tighten their policy so as not to see these machines everywhere, but limiting its areas only. It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.
Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?
I think that not only is that not very fair, I also believe that it is complete and utter nonsense. Why on earth would there be a need to abolish the machines? Is there any kind of actual reasoning behind that seemingly political decision? Thats what I bet it is, all politics. Politicians just want to make themselves look good so they find something or someone to pick on and normal people suffer for it.
Thats just not right.
Whatever the politicians are up to, its no good for those owners of the machines, they earn from it and the government takes it away from them. How is banning helping the owners, now they have to restart their lives and find something else to make money.
There are also lots of these machines in every gasoline station in US, I would speculate this ban in Australia will also happen in US after some time. If Australians doesn't protest endlessly, its imminent to happen in US.
I personally do enjoy playing the slot machines in every country that I visit, as every countries gambling machines are all extremely different. So its a real shame when regulators sterilize our fun and games with this obsessive compulsive fake do-goodery.
Has Australia ever had any politicians take back their silly decisions? Or is this ban now for forever? I can't lie, I do like Australia and I hate to see Australians losing their freedom and rights over some moral high-ground contest between faceless politician A and Politician B, who nobody will remember in a few decades.
If this is the country with the most per capita slot machines in the world then it is no surprise to the Australian government that it is taking steps to reduce that number.
I think it could also be due to the fact that probably all slot machines in pubs are privately owned, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was also about money. That is, removing fee of pub, and collecting all fees directly from online gambling, because gamblers from physical machines would probably switch to playing on their smartphones.
I think it could also be due to the fact that probably all slot machines in pubs are privately owned, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was also about money. That is, removing fee of pub, and collecting all fees directly from online gambling, because gamblers from physical machines would probably switch to playing on their smartphones.
I think this topic is similar to the loot boxes in video games controversy. Some argued that video games should not contain loot boxes which function similar to slot machines due to them being accessible to children. They claim it can encourage negative behavior involving impulse control and addiction. I can't claim to have experience with this. But would guess that owners of these machines are earning good passive income.
There's a chance these bans won't eliminate the gambling practice, but will simply drive it underground. Similar to craigslist bans of personal ads driving prostitution to other websites, rather than eliminating it.
The value of gambling machines in australia will also likely decline. Which could set up a decent buyer's market.
There's a chance these bans won't eliminate the gambling practice, but will simply drive it underground. Similar to craigslist bans of personal ads driving prostitution to other websites, rather than eliminating it.
The value of gambling machines in australia will also likely decline. Which could set up a decent buyer's market.
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