http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_contract
with lead time of 8-10 weeks agreed upon ordering
And there's other places where he admits to such as well. Don't forget the no bullshit terms.
Topic: Avalon Chip Order 24th June. Refund Requested on August 4th, 2013 no response. - page 2. (Read 3344 times)
August 31, 2013, 08:05:53 PM
The contract?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_contract
And there's other places where he admits to such as well. Don't forget the no bullshit terms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_contract
And there's other places where he admits to such as well. Don't forget the no bullshit terms.
August 31, 2013, 08:01:49 PM
Care to show me a chip contract?
I will as soon as you change your avatar to that of a cow.
Why would he purposely want to delay chips to devalue them, have way more refunds and unhappy customers? It simply wouldn't make sense.
I think you are a very naive/gullible fella. Seriously you really don't know why he would do that?
If you won't show me a contract, then no I haven't 'heard of a contract'.
You also clearly missed this
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Unless someone can conclusively prove that chips were used to hash...
. August 31, 2013, 07:58:38 PM
Care to show me a chip contract?
I will as soon as you change your avatar to that of a cow.
Why would he purposely want to delay chips to devalue them, have way more refunds and unhappy customers? It simply wouldn't make sense.
I think you are a very naive/gullible fella. Seriously you really don't know why he would do that?
August 31, 2013, 07:55:06 PM
xD What is up with this hate. Disagree with people = kill the dog [inb4 cow references]. We were given the choice to 100% refund b3 or not, some of us chose not and lost out of it. Why is that his fault?
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
You really must live a peaceful live. Though i hope your behaviour means not you are used by others that exploit this. Its a bit strange to me that you dont see the errors that were done. I know many others blame everything on others but you seems to be on the opposite of the scale. No one is guilty its fate... or so.
I actually rage a hell of a lot, and I'm vicious if you legally cross me without good reason. But, in this case I just don't see any other scenario other than 'shit happened', we all lose. Unless someone can conclusively prove that chips were used to hash/purposely delayed, it just doesn't make anything he did criminal.
Why would he purposely want to delay chips to devalue them, have way more refunds and unhappy customers? It simply wouldn't make sense.
August 31, 2013, 07:51:20 PM
xD What is up with this hate. Disagree with people = kill the dog [inb4 cow references]. We were given the choice to 100% refund b3 or not, some of us chose not and lost out of it. Why is that his fault?
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
You really must live a peaceful live. Though i hope your behaviour means not you are used by others that exploit this. Its a bit strange to me that you dont see the errors that were done. I know many others blame everything on others but you seems to be on the opposite of the scale. No one is guilty its fate... or so.
August 31, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
Dogie you might not be on drugs but you're definitely on something. Cock maybe.
And you ever heard of a contract?
Care to show me a chip contract? And you ever heard of a contract?
August 31, 2013, 07:48:47 PM
Dogie you might not be on drugs but you're definitely on something. Cock maybe.
And you ever heard of a contract?
And you ever heard of a contract?
August 31, 2013, 07:41:01 PM
xD What is up with this hate. Disagree with people = kill the dog [inb4 cow references]. We were given the choice to 100% refund b3 or not, some of us chose not and lost out of it. Why is that his fault?
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
August 31, 2013, 07:34:13 PM
Yifu just keep doing what you're doing, all these complaints are just wasting their own time. You're fulfilling your legal duties and fulfilling orders to the best of your ability unless proven otherwise. Apart from the B3 refunds which was a 'it happens' script error. I personally lost 5 figures on B3, but hey what can you do.
And i was so sure that was sarcasm after reading your last sentence. But im not so sure now anymore after reading your last posts in the forum.
yea, dogie is using some bad drugs ...
August 31, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
Yifu just keep doing what you're doing, all these complaints are just wasting their own time. You're fulfilling your legal duties and fulfilling orders to the best of your ability unless proven otherwise. Apart from the B3 refunds which was a 'it happens' script error. I personally lost 5 figures on B3, but hey what can you do.
And i was so sure that was sarcasm after reading your last sentence. But im not so sure now anymore after reading your last posts in the forum.
August 31, 2013, 07:05:54 PM
Meh... seems about par for the course.
August 31, 2013, 06:07:13 PM
I want to catch the Yifu and give his bum the drilling of a life time
we will have a steamy romp whereby i will force my anaconda like whopper into his bum
and request where is my 10pc avalon order, tell me before i whisk you off to police station
but not before i finish uploading this sperms into your butt
i can tell the officer you send me a faulty microwave instead of batch 3 avalon i didnt manage to mine any blocks or cook up breakfast
its not fit for purpose and need hashing power or a refund asap
yifu i love you but this shits gotta stop
where is mine order!?
Man-Rape, perversion and beastiality all mentioned in one paragraph post.we will have a steamy romp whereby i will force my anaconda like whopper into his bum
and request where is my 10pc avalon order, tell me before i whisk you off to police station
but not before i finish uploading this sperms into your butt
i can tell the officer you send me a faulty microwave instead of batch 3 avalon i didnt manage to mine any blocks or cook up breakfast
its not fit for purpose and need hashing power or a refund asap
yifu i love you but this shits gotta stop
where is mine order!?
A new achievement has just been achieved.
August 31, 2013, 06:00:28 PM
I want to catch the Yifu and give his bum the drilling of a life time
we will have a steamy romp whereby i will force my anaconda like whopper into his bum
we will have a steamy romp whereby i will force my anaconda like whopper into his bum
Actual ROFLs. Actual.
August 31, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
If Bitsyncom can rid of the stupid high 10,000 order limit and ship with a 3 day turnaround time the price per gigahash is still cheaper than bitfury.
Avalon chip == .3 GH/s for .078 BTC = .3/.078 = 3.8 GH/BTC
Bitfury chip == 2.5 GH/s for 1 BTC = 2.5/1 = 2.5 GH/BTC
That being said, the avalon chips are toxic because the initial outlay of 10,000 chips is crazy, and there is no guarantee that you will receive your chips, while MBP and BFSB have demonstrated actual availability.
I think for Avalon to be taken seriously as a chip producer, they would need to start showing a track record of delivery and reduce their minimum chip commitment by at least two orders of magnitude.
Edit: As well as track record of delivery, they need to match MBP and BFSB on customer service. If the delivery requirement was a long shot, the last requirement may as well throw in the towel. The bitfury dudes have raised the bar for what customer service looks like, and Bitsyn.com has a long long way to go to catch up. Low prices are low customer service aren't going to cut it when there are other options.
Avalon chip == .3 GH/s for .078 BTC = .3/.078 = 3.8 GH/BTC
Bitfury chip == 2.5 GH/s for 1 BTC = 2.5/1 = 2.5 GH/BTC
That being said, the avalon chips are toxic because the initial outlay of 10,000 chips is crazy, and there is no guarantee that you will receive your chips, while MBP and BFSB have demonstrated actual availability.
I think for Avalon to be taken seriously as a chip producer, they would need to start showing a track record of delivery and reduce their minimum chip commitment by at least two orders of magnitude.
Edit: As well as track record of delivery, they need to match MBP and BFSB on customer service. If the delivery requirement was a long shot, the last requirement may as well throw in the towel. The bitfury dudes have raised the bar for what customer service looks like, and Bitsyn.com has a long long way to go to catch up. Low prices are low customer service aren't going to cut it when there are other options.
August 31, 2013, 05:21:29 PM
The stupid american old-man (owner of BFL) is not yet in prison ?
no, same shit as this prick
August 31, 2013, 05:17:20 PM
The stupid american old-man (owner of BFL) is not yet in prison ?
August 31, 2013, 05:06:48 PM
this stupid chinese kid isn't still in prison for this global fraud with hundreds of affected people? fucking incredible
August 31, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
Yifu just keep doing what you're doing ........... I personally lost 5 figures on B3, but hey what can you do.
that's why noone should listen to anything you say from now on
- fyi, if yifu released the manufacturing info from TSMC showing what's actually going on i'm sure he may gain his respect somewhat back. this info will likely come out with his assistance or without.
if it's not his fault people are more forgiving. his image and his reputation going into the future is in his own hands. to improve his chi and mend thigns with the community - only the truth can save him some dignity
100% agree on this. Dogie has contributed the weirdest posts (tape up you Avalon for better air flow? ... ok! selling B1/B2 Avalons for 150+btc? ... ok! B3 with B2/B1 'incompatibility'? ... ok! there's more but not worth the effort of noting) and is borderline ignore-list worthy.
The only reason this user is defensive of Yifu appears to be because of his receipt of B1 Avalon(s?).
With regards to Avalon I'm unhappy with their 'no bullshit' policy. By offering refunds Avalon (BitSyncom LLC) is admitting that the 'no bullshit' policy was a bunch of bullshit. It's not that chip refunds aren't acceptable; they are just borderline acceptable (At most you'll make 750-800 btc from mining now using 10k Avalon chips -- that's before you start to mine for 1 btc per week ... so unless btc value increases you're not even breaking even btc wise due to power costs - if Yifu disagrees with this assertion I'd love to see his explanation. The 750 btc was aa very fair price when they were on sale with the 9-10 week deadline.). For most people, as far as I'm aware, the chips are 40-60% of the cost. Everything else is the other 40-60% of the cost. The weakest link here is Avalon - can they now call all the other suppliers for everyone to offer refunds?
Furthermore, as superduh noted, Avalon has provided no evidence of what went wrong nor has provided evidence to disprove other's allegations. All we're hearing are excuses after excuses and a 'no bullshit policy' becoming 'pure bullshit'.
August 31, 2013, 04:07:17 PM
Yifu just keep doing what you're doing, all these complaints are just wasting their own time. You're fulfilling your legal duties and fulfilling orders to the best of your ability unless proven otherwise. Apart from the B3 refunds which was a 'it happens' script error. I personally lost 5 figures on B3, but hey what can you do.
Sell ASICMiner hardware to fools and make it back?(Sorry, it was begging to be typed)
Yifu just keep doing what you're doing ........... I personally lost 5 figures on B3, but hey what can you do.
that's why noone should listen to anything you say from now on
- fyi, if yifu released the manufacturing info from TSMC showing what's actually going on i'm sure he may gain his respect somewhat back. this info will likely come out with his assistance or without.
if it's not his fault people are more forgiving. his image and his reputation going into the future is in his own hands. to improve his chi and mend thigns with the community - only the truth can save him some dignity
Is he in need of spiritual body repairs?
August 31, 2013, 03:54:49 PM
Yifu just keep doing what you're doing ........... I personally lost 5 figures on B3, but hey what can you do.
that's why noone should listen to anything you say from now on
- fyi, if yifu released the manufacturing info from TSMC showing what's actually going on i'm sure he may gain his respect somewhat back. this info will likely come out with his assistance or without.
if it's not his fault people are more forgiving. his image and his reputation going into the future is in his own hands. to improve his chi and mend thigns with the community - only the truth can save him some dignity
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