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Quote from: carlfebz2 on April 19, 2019, 08:52:41 AM

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Quote from: Ailmand on April 19, 2019, 08:11:44 AM

I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

It is rumoured that most of these review sites are owned by online casinos and they pay people to give good reviews of their sites. You have to remember that these sites are not regulated like most of the brick n mortar casinos, so it is bit of a wild west out there now.

Bitcoin's annoymity are helping these sites to hide most of these activities, so you should not even bother to take reviews on these sites seriously. I would rather suggest that you signup for these casinos and test them for yourself. Tongue

Possibility of bad publicity among other competitors would really be just a normal thing.They might not be spotted out directly but you can see some obvious advertisements and reviews.
Relying with those reviews wont really be ideal and as being said it would be better if you do just test waters on your own and judge for yourself if its legit enough or not.

I have not seen any casino, good crypto casino use these methods to try to make it self more visible to the community and the few ones that may have done I am sure they don't exist anymore.When you try to throw trash at your competitor by using shill accounts you will only damage yourself by doing so as the community already knows who the best casinos are.

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Quote from: Ailmand on April 19, 2019, 08:11:44 AM

I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

Exactly. I mean these companies have to make money in the market and this is one of those bad ways to attract costumers and get their costumers base increased. But this is an open secret and is understandable that there is always a difference between what you see over the screen and what you experience while using their service and I think that a wise man will never take time to point out a gambling site that scams people.

Being with good faith may be good in all other fields but definitely not with gambling as it may lead big losses as being with good faith will induce to add more bankroll which is definitely not a good thing for gambling as gambling is known for losing all bankroll frequently.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 19, 2019, 08:32:38 AM

Quote from: Ailmand on April 19, 2019, 08:11:44 AM

I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

It is rumoured that most of these review sites are owned by online casinos and they pay people to give good reviews of their sites. You have to remember that these sites are not regulated like most of the brick n mortar casinos, so it is bit of a wild west out there now.

Bitcoin's annoymity are helping these sites to hide most of these activities, so you should not even bother to take reviews on these sites seriously. I would rather suggest that you signup for these casinos and test them for yourself. Tongue

Possibility of bad publicity among other competitors would really be just a normal thing.They might not be spotted out directly but you can see some obvious advertisements and reviews.
Relying with those reviews wont really be ideal and as being said it would be better if you do just test waters on your own and judge for yourself if its legit enough or not.

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Quote from: Ailmand on April 19, 2019, 08:11:44 AM

I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

It is rumoured that most of these review sites are owned by online casinos and they pay people to give good reviews of their sites. You have to remember that these sites are not regulated like most of the brick n mortar casinos, so it is bit of a wild west out there now.

Bitcoin's annoymity are helping these sites to hide most of these activities, so you should not even bother to take reviews on these sites seriously. I would rather suggest that you signup for these casinos and test them for yourself. Tongue

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I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

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Quote from: MFahad on April 11, 2019, 12:21:22 AM

Actually in every business we have a dark site and a positive site, then it is not only in gambling we see it. Gambling is highlight because in most of the countries gambling is illegal that's why people see it with a deep eyes.
But now gambling become a very popular business , so in my view, it is a good sign of our ecosystem.

Gambling has really became a higher popular business since the inception of cryptocurrencies. I have seeing many gambling business been open online and offline for the purpose of taking the advantage of this great opportunity that Cryptocoins has provided.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 08, 2019, 06:31:03 AM

There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Some competitors played a dirty way in order to discredit other gambling sites and to attract the gamblers to join in their site.
I don't see it as a new thing in crypto, the fact that it's not regulated, or appropriate to say that most gambling sites has no license, they can play it the way they want without restriction.

It's their competition but this benefits the gamblers in the general view.

I think that no gambling website is honest with its users.
Every one is here for the money and this is what they do. There is no 0% house edge on any of the gambling websites.

Having said that, it is very easily understandable that at least there is no good faith in the gambling ecosystem. The instruments you use during gambling are never in your favor in this industry though you pay for it. There is a mystery in their engineering.

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The trust is the only thing that keep everything under normal conditions in gambling without any type of Faith with the gambling field it will not run properly without the help of the investors and the people who are trusting it as like money making way and more importantly the investors are the developers here to develop gambling every time.

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Quote from: posi on April 10, 2019, 05:57:10 AM

I dont think any gambling site have to ruin the reputation of it fellow gambling site just because they are competitors. However, there are best we in doing things rather than doing something bad to other which seems to be blocking their roads cause how a gambling site treat their customers/players is what will determine their visitor/players.

Meanwhile, every companies, organizations or project will always have the problem of their own which I believed was part of their duties the team involving because every leader must be a problem solver.

Well, I think there is no concept of faith either good or bad in gambling. It is way too absurd to think that in a capitalist world and in a world where everyone quest to maximize their profits, faith would be of any use. Of course, in the gambling ecosystem, every company or website or house plays you.

You are the one with the lowest advantages and chances of winning. So, bear in mind to question everything you come across in the world of gambling and that may end up in something which will definitely help you to get rid off your problems which may be just quitting gambling for life time. Yes, instead of struggling for each and every aspects, it would be much better to give up once and then lead a happier life ever after.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 11, 2019, 02:45:57 AM

Quote from: Natalim on April 11, 2019, 02:33:38 AM

Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

Hey when you speak about crypto gambling based casinos one should look at the reviews with a pinch of salt, as many of them are of the gamblers who have lost their money and now want a refund. I understand your point that issues don’t happen when you deposit, but if issues happen during withdrawal then it could be because of creating duplicate accounts, or violation of their rules. However if you feel you’re being conned you can always open a scam accusation thread here, in most cases you should get your issue solved.

Not all the time for it to be resolved if you have posted into that section.It might give out some noise but not a guarantee that the gambling site
you have played on isnt a scam.If it is then say goodbye to your funds but eventually why would play into new shady gambling site on the first place?
You can easily spot it out or having just that first impressions when you do tend to play.

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Quote from: Cacingkemi on April 09, 2019, 03:35:44 AM

Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 09:02:22 PM

Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

Customer or also called CS is always justified, not like that if there is evidence it will be followed up and will likely lose the player.However if there are no errors, then IMO its only a communication error that does't understand each other.
Golden reputation in the crypto world that protects them is players, of course not, the experience I know they have security for which might be very strong.

Even if there are such faults that you have mentioned but I still have faith in gambling as this is modern age with time we will see more protection for the gamblers, since the crypto as since early ages when the crypto gambling came into being people are working and investing in gambling, but still some people gambles for another intentions which leads to wrong result I personally really like and enjoying gambling.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 11, 2019, 02:45:57 AM

Quote from: Natalim on April 11, 2019, 02:33:38 AM

Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

Hey when you speak about crypto gambling based casinos one should look at the reviews with a pinch of salt, as many of them are of the gamblers who have lost their money and now want a refund. I understand your point that issues don’t happen when you deposit, but if issues happen during withdrawal then it could be because of creating duplicate accounts, or violation of their rules. However if you feel you’re being conned you can always open a scam accusation thread here, in most cases you should get your issue solved.

The problem is not all gambling sites are making their presence felt in this community, so the DT members or the community would not be able to help.
I believe that although good sites has some hidden shadiness inside, so that is already part of the risk of being a gambler.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 11, 2019, 02:33:38 AM

Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

Hey when you speak about crypto gambling based casinos one should look at the reviews with a pinch of salt, as many of them are of the gamblers who have lost their money and now want a refund. I understand your point that issues don’t happen when you deposit, but if issues happen during withdrawal then it could be because of creating duplicate accounts, or violation of their rules. However if you feel you’re being conned you can always open a scam accusation thread here, in most cases you should get your issue solved.

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Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

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Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 09:02:22 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

Of course, there are competitors that use false news/reviews, shills just to make the other company fall or delay to deliver there services.. It happened before in some exchanges or forums they are getting DDOS where they are flooding the competitor server thus make them not accessible or transactions are lagging or delayed and more. So you're always gonna see Shills, false news /reviews.

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Actually in every business we have a dark site and a positive site, then it is not only in gambling we see it. Gambling is highlight because in most of the countries gambling is illegal that's why people see it with a deep eyes.
But now gambling become a very popular business , so in my view, it is a good sign of our ecosystem.

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Quote from: crzy on April 08, 2019, 06:23:19 PM

Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way but i think gamblers already know where to gamble and they support that gambling site no mattet what. Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one. All they need to do is the consistency of a great system and after that more gamblers will do play on their site.

Legal in a bad way ? You can use the word illegal instead but that is not illegal or wrong to make a competition to someone else . its a business and anyone can do whatever they want to but at the end , people will still be the one to choose if what will they prefer . whats wrong is if they will make false claim about their competitor .

Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one.

I totally opposed the statement made by Crzy and I dont think any gambling site have to ruin the reputation of it fellow gambling site just because they are competitors. However, there are best we in doing things rather than doing something bad to other which seems to be blocking their roads cause how a gambling site treat their customers/players is what will determine their visitor/players.

Meanwhile, every companies, organizations or project will always have the problem of their own which I believed was part of their duties the team involving because every leader must be a problem solver.

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Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 09:02:22 PM

Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

Customer or also called CS is always justified, not like that if there is evidence it will be followed up and will likely lose the player.However if there are no errors, then IMO its only a communication error that does't understand each other.
Golden reputation in the crypto world that protects them is players, of course not, the experience I know they have security for which might be very strong.

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Quote from: crzy on April 08, 2019, 06:23:19 PM

Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way but i think gamblers already know where to gamble and they support that gambling site no mattet what. Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one. All they need to do is the consistency of a great system and after that more gamblers will do play on their site.

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Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way

Legal in a bad way ? You can use the word illegal instead but that is not illegal or wrong to make a competition to someone else . its a business and anyone can do whatever they want to but at the end , people will still be the one to choose if what will they prefer . whats wrong is if they will make false claim about their competitor .

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Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one.

Having a problem is normal and all sites do also experienced it but the problem should be fix asap . if not , the gambling site will loose its costumers .

Overall , bad faith in gambling ecosystem are not real because gambling is not really bad .

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on April 08, 2019, 07:14:36 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on April 08, 2019, 06:31:03 AM

There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Because that is the strategy of competition in the business field, the gambling industries now are growing populations so probably business owner has a dirty game to show up their business and make them a huge profit if they are succeeding. But in this case, let's speak people and choose whatever they want in a gambling site, they have their own decisions even how competitor destroy the image of gambling.

Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way but i think gamblers already know where to gamble and they support that gambling site no mattet what. Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one. All they need to do is the consistency of a great system and after that more gamblers will do play on their site.

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