Bad Faith in the Gambling Ecosystem - page 2.

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Quote from: roosbit on April 08, 2019, 06:28:49 AM

Quote from: Oilacris on April 04, 2019, 03:46:47 PM

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I still have faith in the gambling system, especially now that projects like faireum.io has revolutionized it.

Stop shilling out your faireum.io site. ~~You are spamming everywhere.~~

Really thought this was nothing more than shilling which has also gone off topic with the discussion Sad

Quote from: Bitinity on April 05, 2019, 12:03:52 AM

Quote from: livingfree on April 04, 2019, 09:54:12 PM

When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

You have a good point, we cant deny that this "fake reviews" practice is happening everywhere. That's why we should not rely on reviews completely, we should be able to filter which reviews are honest and which reviews are fake. This is why this forum is very helpful, I will only trust reviews made by users with good trust or good experiences, obviously there should be valid proofs of the review as well.

So are you saying we should put a blind eye to such reviews because of the filter used or because we are loyal customers and not experiencing the bad service as others Huh

And don't you think that with the crypto ecosystem being generally unregulated, bad reviews need not to go unanswered by engaging these guys in forums they have a presence to come clean as its the only way to regulate them as their reputation is on the line if they choose to be mute..

He didn't say put a blind eye to such reviews but rather should not rely on reviews completely. We all know that most of them are paid reviews, so they are writing the article in a biased manner. You can assess what they are saying if you have actual experience on that platforms. They can always come clean but for you, you know what's the real deal.

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Quote from: Oilacris on April 04, 2019, 03:46:47 PM

~snip~

Quote from: ?? on ??

I still have faith in the gambling system, especially now that projects like faireum.io has revolutionized it.

Stop shilling out your faireum.io site. ~~You are spamming everywhere.~~

Really thought this was nothing more than shilling which has also gone off topic with the discussion Sad

Quote from: Bitinity on April 05, 2019, 12:03:52 AM

Quote from: livingfree on April 04, 2019, 09:54:12 PM

When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

You have a good point, we cant deny that this "fake reviews" practice is happening everywhere. That's why we should not rely on reviews completely, we should be able to filter which reviews are honest and which reviews are fake. This is why this forum is very helpful, I will only trust reviews made by users with good trust or good experiences, obviously there should be valid proofs of the review as well.

So are you saying we should put a blind eye to such reviews because of the filter used or because we are loyal customers and not experiencing the bad service as others Huh

And don't you think that with the crypto ecosystem being generally unregulated, bad reviews need not to go unanswered by engaging these guys in forums they have a presence to come clean as its the only way to regulate them as their reputation is on the line if they choose to be mute..

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 08, 2019, 05:31:03 AM

There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Because that is the strategy of competition in the business field, the gambling industries now are growing populations so probably business owner has a dirty game to show up their business and make them a huge profit if they are succeeding. But in this case, let's speak people and choose whatever they want in a gambling site, they have their own decisions even how competitor destroy the image of gambling.

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There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Some competitors played a dirty way in order to discredit other gambling sites and to attract the gamblers to join in their site.
I don't see it as a new thing in crypto, the fact that it's not regulated, or appropriate to say that most gambling sites has no license, they can play it the way they want without restriction.

It's their competition but this benefits the gamblers in the general view.

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Quote from: Malsetid on April 08, 2019, 02:37:05 AM

Quote from: semobo on April 07, 2019, 04:19:08 AM

Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

We can't remove the fact that some sites are simply incompetent with their securities and have compromised a lot of players, and that paints a dark shade into the whole industry in general. It's a gambling site or a casino's responsibility to make sure they're secure and it's a player's responsibility to be aware of what they're doing with their money.

Ive been on the gambling scene for almost a year and two , so far i dont see a reputable gambling site that has been hacked or has a problems on their security . therfor i can honestly say that security is not what makes gambling bad but main reason why gambling gains a bad reputation from the public is that gambling are ao hard to beat . its hard to on on them because the odds and edge are too high .

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Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 08:02:22 PM

give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies??

For investors or players, if they want not to give their personal information, then they will pay someone who's willing to.

For the people that belonged to the team behind the project. There were some scam project that added many people that was brought to a scam. Let's put project a as an example, project a was said to be a scam and there is a new project rising which is project ico b. In project b, there is one person that is also from project a. I just took projects/ico as an example in here since there are gambling sites undergo ICO.

But still there are a lot of gambling sites and ICOs that are real and giving their best in fulfilling promises. Like Bitvest and 777coin. I trust those two sites as I wear their signature. Bitvest and 777coin is so old in crypto that's why I can treat it as the most trusted gambling site.

I think that some gambling sites does not require you to do KYC, it's more often in joining ICO projects.

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Quote from: semobo on April 07, 2019, 04:19:08 AM

Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

As long as they can keep maintaining to serve the best for their member, then they don't need to worry with the fake reviews because soon or later, the fake reviews will disappear. The member will have their review about that site, and although the member doesn't say anything good about the website, I am sure that many more people will come to their site and play all of the games.

The important thing here is don't care with any issue especially with the fake news in out there because they only want to give the word "scam" to the website, but they cannot prove that it will be a scam. They only want to make people afraid to play in that site because they don't want to see the other gambling site can get more member than them.

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Quote from: semobo on April 07, 2019, 04:19:08 AM

Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

We can't remove the fact that some sites are simply incompetent with their securities and have compromised a lot of players, and that paints a dark shade into the whole industry in general. It's a gambling site or a casino's responsibility to make sure they're secure and it's a player's responsibility to be aware of what they're doing with their money.

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There have been few isolated cases when the gambling company has taken the bullet but that was when the company was in their beginning of activity, now major crypto gambling wbesites that have a solid reputation and the community loves them , it doesn't mean nothing if shills start writing negative reviews and all other bad things, the community knows them.

This has been improved now and no shill can risk a good company reputation anymore.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

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Quote from: Patatas on April 06, 2019, 05:23:49 AM

Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 08:02:22 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

The answer for the above rant is - Just use the gambling sites which have a reputation on this forum over-time and are more community driven than the site's administration. The problem is, people don't play on the right platforms. I can tell you the top gambling sites who don't do any KYC and respect your anonymity, they're all well established on the forum.

You made a nice suggestion which has been the thesame suggestion made by some gamblers here. The only problem with this is that new trusted gambling companies would wait to receive good feedback before they are trusted by the community and recommended to gamblers

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If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

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Quote from: Dreamchaser21 on April 06, 2019, 05:28:11 PM

Quote from: Ucy on April 06, 2019, 09:02:17 AM

Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

Indeed, if that gambling site fails to secure the trust of every gambler then a big problem will begin to start. Having negative feedbacks from a gamblers is not good at all, i saw some gambling sites handle this properly but most of them failed to do so and that’s the biggest reason why they are slowly dying.

Without any further solutions for sure the site will die naturally, gamblers feedback if indeed a serious allegations will take more attention and trust rate of the site will fell a lot, the company needs to have and take actions for a serious long term solutions and let the public be aware of it.

It's really hard to accumulate people's trust but if the business is well good to communicate they'll be able to achieved more.

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Quote from: Dreamchaser21 on April 06, 2019, 05:28:11 PM

Quote from: Ucy on April 06, 2019, 09:02:17 AM

Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

Indeed, if that gambling site fails to secure the trust of every gambler then a big problem will begin to start. Having negative feedbacks from a gamblers is not good at all, i saw some gambling sites handle this properly but most of them failed to do so and that’s the biggest reason why they are slowly dying.

Trust is very important and having a reputable feed backs coming from gamblers will absolutely making a way to entice others. But it happens that some gambling sites turns into worst which they couldn't provide security with the players and even having a good service which definitely dragging them down and nobody would like visit their site.

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Quote from: Ucy on April 06, 2019, 09:02:17 AM

Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

Indeed, if that gambling site fails to secure the trust of every gambler then a big problem will begin to start. Having negative feedbacks from a gamblers is not good at all, i saw some gambling sites handle this properly but most of them failed to do so and that’s the biggest reason why they are slowly dying.

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 05, 2019, 12:03:52 AM

Quote from: livingfree on April 04, 2019, 09:54:12 PM

When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

You have a good point, we cant deny that this "fake reviews" practice is happening everywhere. That's why we should not rely on reviews completely, we should be able to filter which reviews are honest and which reviews are fake. This is why this forum is very helpful, I will only trust reviews made by users with good trust or good experiences, obviously there should be valid proofs of the review as well.

Yes, determining what are the honest reviews can still be done though it will take time for you to take those real and honest ones but don't let yourself catch the wrong ones. I agree that in this forum, you are likely to see very understandable, on point and honest reviews from the reputable people who have been in the industry like in gambling.

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Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 08:02:22 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

it is more like we are not up to the current situation of this market condition because everything is developed in this situation so we need to be updated with the the lots of strategies in this situation so everything is under our mind set and the situation that we are live in our society will make you the next step it will be more better than today.

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Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

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Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 08:02:22 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

It really is hard for the businessmen who owns he crypto gambling sites if they are in chopping boards, aside from that if some trusted members on this forums gaze upon them, one inch of a bad move would cause their business to go go down. We are not saying trusted members or people out here are bad but if the gambling company does have shady tactics or a way to cheat their customers then we and crypto society have the right to let others know, that's why with a little or tiny it of knowledge we might have we should share and justify it is correct. In that way we can avoid future deceits. Lastly I am not defending any company I am just stating we should take more precautions on reviewing gambling companies and react accordingly.

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Quote from: roosbit on April 03, 2019, 08:02:22 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

The answer for the above rant is - Just use the gambling sites which have a reputation on this forum over-time and are more community driven than the site's administration. The problem is, people don't play on the right platforms. I can tell you the top gambling sites who don't do any KYC and respect your anonymity, they're all well established on the forum.

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