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October 19, 2021, 05:53:59 PM
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..Too bad, Uber is not ours too so we can repeat what Susi and Alan did in the past. But I am sure Indonesian Team will have many chances to get both Thomas and Uber Cup in the future but the Federation needs to train their player harder and the mental for each player.
It is quite hard for uber Indonesia, moreover if we know the players of users in the world. Japanese and China have a very great uber team, their single and double women players are very strong, and unfortunately, Indonesia women players still cannot balance it or become the tough opponent for those two countries (mostly, only GreyAp that is considerable).
But let's wait and see maybe for the next generation.

New games begin today: Denmark Open 2021
Very glad to know that many Indonesian players won the matches (most of them won), most of them can continue to the next round.

I didn't expect that this year would be for Indonesia and I must say that they deserve it. We've witnessed how they worked for it though it took them a long time to win and bring home the title. It was expected for China and they have an advantage since they have a strong team and they're too consistent.
many people also thought that China will always dominate the Uber and Thomas Cup as usual. Their players are very tough.
Their players are very strong and consistent. And at the time of the final, Chinese mainstay players cannot play, this certainly has a magnificent impact too.
And besides that, indeed Thomas Indonesia players are having exceptional enthusiasm and games to bring the Thomas Cup after a long wait.
They all have worked very well and satisfying.
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October 19, 2021, 04:45:58 PM
#66
yes, We have the winner:
China as Uber cup 2021
Indonesia as Thomas cup 2021

Have been a long time (19 years ago), now the 2020 Thomas cup just landed in Indonesia. This is the 14th Thomas and was created as a country that has the biggest collected cup.
Very proud to see Indonesia can win Thomas cup again. It is a very long time to wait for this special moment, now winning Thomas cup comes true. I especially give a great appreciation for all Indonesian man single players (Ginting, Jojo, Shesar), they look stronger and develop well. Now, Indonesian clearly have strong man single players again. They prove it by winning some crucial matches in this tournament.



I didn't expect that this year would be for Indonesia and I must say that they deserve it. We've witnessed how they worked for it though it took them a long time to win and bring home the title. It was expected for China and they have an advantage since they have a strong team and they're too consistent.
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October 19, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
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yes, We have the winner:

China as Uber cup 2021
Indonesia as Thomas cup 2021
Congratulations to China and Indonesia for winning Thomas and Uber 2021.
I enjoyed the last game in the Thomas Cup and this is a very good thing for Indonesia because they managed to bring a trophy after the last time they won 19 years ago.
and this is a very remarkable achievement.
for uber, i don't think there is any need to doubt the strength of china because they are really great and from the start of the competition they have very high confidence because they are one of the countries that have quite good achievements and in fact they are one of the countries with the most uber trophies.
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October 19, 2021, 03:34:08 AM
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New games begin today: Denmark Open 2021

https://bwfworldtour.bwfbadminton.com/tournament/3971/victor-denmark-open-2021/results/draw/ms

Here are the favorite who have best bwf rank:

Men's Singles





Women's Singles





Men's Doubles





Women's Doubles





Mix Doubles



So far the favorite champions are still on top 1 and 2 ranks, but it's not a possible players who have low rank have the chance also as a dark horse like a Thailand young player Kunlavut VITIDSARN.
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October 19, 2021, 01:18:14 AM
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Once again, Thomas Cup is for Indonesian. Too bad, Uber is not ours too so we can repeat what Susi and Alan did in the past. But I am sure Indonesian Team will have many chances to get both Thomas and Uber Cup in the future but the Federation needs to train their player harder and the mental for each player.

But unfortunately, The Indonesian flag does not fly on the podium. Here is the article:

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October 18, 2021, 05:44:52 PM
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yes, We have the winner:
China as Uber cup 2021
Indonesia as Thomas cup 2021

Have been a long time (19 years ago), now the 2020 Thomas cup just landed in Indonesia. This is the 14th Thomas and was created as a country that has the biggest collected cup.
Very proud to see Indonesia can win Thomas cup again. It is a very long time to wait for this special moment, now winning Thomas cup comes true. I especially give a great appreciation for all Indonesian man single players (Ginting, Jojo, Shesar), they look stronger and develop well. Now, Indonesian clearly have strong man single players again. They prove it by winning some crucial matches in this tournament.

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October 18, 2021, 05:35:26 PM
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yes, We have the winner:

China as Uber cup 2021
Indonesia as Thomas cup 2021
Congratulations to both of the winners, they deserve it.
And I am also so happy with what have all players of the team, the coach, and also the management of Thomas Indonesia.
Especially the players, they really played very well.
Although I was so sad seeing that the Indonesian flag cannot be raised during the victory ceremony, but its pride in them is very satisfying. Congratulations once again, the long wait is finally paid off.

Yes, the struggle will be started again from the beginning in other championships.
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October 18, 2021, 02:15:09 AM
#60
yes, We have the winner:

China as Uber cup 2021
Indonesia as Thomas cup 2021

Congrats for both.

Have been a long time (19 years ago), now the 2020 Thomas cup just landed in Indonesia. This is the 14th Thomas and was created as a country that has the biggest collected cup.



China is still strong for women, After defeat Japan, they got the 15th Uber cup and were created as a country that has the biggest collected Uber cup.






there is still have event on october 2021 like: Denmark and French Open.

As we can see in round 1 Denmark open for man single: https://bwfworldtour.bwfbadminton.com/tournament/3971/victor-denmark-open-2021/results/draw/ms

there is 5 kind of match: men's and women's single, men's and women's doubles and Mixed Doubles
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October 18, 2021, 01:45:44 AM
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China always have an upper hand when it comes to Badminton. This time the long wait have come to Indonesia. On the other side on Uber Cup China has won against Japan to reclaim the title. Interestingly it is the 15th title win out of 19 finals. In China importance given for sports activities begin from the very small age of a Child which is also a reason why they stand high on majority of the games.
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October 17, 2021, 11:29:36 PM
#58
On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China.
Yes, the mentality of the Chinese players was above average, when China's second single faced J. Christie.
I think Christie will be able to win straight sets, but the second set China players was able to play well, the third set was also tight but Christie manage to win and make the Indonesian team win the Thomas Cup.
Congratulations to the Indonesia team, this is a great achievement.
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October 17, 2021, 10:26:12 PM
#57
We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China. China is still China with its great history and domination in Badminton. Ginting for example, he could play well against Chou T.Ch and Lee Z J but he played very bad last night against Axelsen.
Anyway, here are the line ups for the Final (found it in our local sports news) as well as in Flashscore.com:
  • Anthony Ginting vs  Lu Guang Zu
  • Fajar/Rian vs He Ji Ting/Zhou Hao Dong
  • Jonatan Christie vs Li Shi Feng
  • Daniel Marthin/Kevin Sanjaya vs Liu Cheng/Wang Yi Lyu
  • Vito vs Weng Hong Yang

There is no Minions and the Daddies for the Doubles Men. I'm not sure why but it seems that the Indonesian head coach is confidence enough to win the Final without our best players for the Doubles Men. Even there is an experiment by having Daniel Martin and Kevin Sanjaya for the 2nd Doubles Men. Lets see how it goes, hope it wont be a blunder.

after seeing the picture above, Indonesia's long struggle is the value of a fantastic victory, this is an interesting achievement, Indonesia is still winning badminton

19 years of waiting, finally Indonesia can win the Thomas Cup cup again after beating China 3-0, This is the 14th time and this is the most, followed by China 10, salute to Indonesia for the king of Thomas cup.
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October 17, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
#56
Indonesia managed to advance to the final round in the Thomas cup sector and is currently 2-0 up against China, in the first match Antoni Ginting won against Lu Guanzu with a score of 18-21, 21-14 and 21-16 in 1 hour 16 minutes. In the second match of the men's doubles, Indonesia was also able to win, the third match Jojo won in the first set and the match was quite exciting in the second set, if Jojo was able to win then Indonesia would certainly come out as champion.
The match between Anthony Ginting and Lu Guangzu really caught my attention because it was quite an exciting match and indeed both athletes put all their strength into it. but indeed Ginting is the strongest and wins.
I want to pay my respects to Lu Guanzu even if he loses. because indeed Lu Guanzu played quite well, especially in the first match, even though in terms of quality and head to head he always lost to ginting and he is currently the 2nd seed from china but his game was very good and even managed to withstand ginting with the ruber set before losing.
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October 17, 2021, 09:15:25 AM
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Indonesia managed to advance to the final round in the Thomas cup sector and is currently 2-0 up against China, in the first match Antoni Ginting won against Lu Guanzu with a score of 18-21, 21-14 and 21-16 in 1 hour 16 minutes. In the second match of the men's doubles, Indonesia was also able to win, the third match Jojo won in the first set and the match was quite exciting in the second set, if Jojo was able to win then Indonesia would certainly come out as champion.
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October 17, 2021, 08:29:09 AM
#54
We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China. China is still China with its great history and domination in Badminton. Ginting for example, he could play well against Chou T.Ch and Lee Z J but he played very bad last night against Axelsen.
Anyway, here are the line ups for the Final (found it in our local sports news) as well as in Flashscore.com:
  • Anthony Ginting vs  Lu Guang Zu
  • Fajar/Rian vs He Ji Ting/Zhou Hao Dong
  • Jonatan Christie vs Li Shi Feng
  • Daniel Marthin/Kevin Sanjaya vs Liu Cheng/Wang Yi Lyu
  • Vito vs Weng Hong Yang

There is no Minions and the Daddies for the Doubles Men. I'm not sure why but it seems that the Indonesian head coach is confidence enough to win the Final without our best players for the Doubles Men. Even there is an experiment by having Daniel Martin and Kevin Sanjaya for the 2nd Doubles Men. Lets see how it goes, hope it wont be a blunder.

after seeing the picture above, Indonesia's long struggle is the value of a fantastic victory, this is an interesting achievement, Indonesia is still winning badminton
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October 17, 2021, 03:53:40 AM
#53
We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

On paper, Indonesian players are above China but we should not underestimate China. China is still China with its great history and domination in Badminton. Ginting for example, he could play well against Chou T.Ch and Lee Z J but he played very bad last night against Axelsen.
Anyway, here are the line ups for the Final (found it in our local sports news) as well as in Flashscore.com:
  • Anthony Ginting vs  Lu Guang Zu
  • Fajar/Rian vs He Ji Ting/Zhou Hao Dong
  • Jonatan Christie vs Li Shi Feng
  • Daniel Marthin/Kevin Sanjaya vs Liu Cheng/Wang Yi Lyu
  • Vito vs Weng Hong Yang

There is no Minions and the Daddies for the Doubles Men. I'm not sure why but it seems that the Indonesian head coach is confidence enough to win the Final without our best players for the Doubles Men. Even there is an experiment by having Daniel Martin and Kevin Sanjaya for the 2nd Doubles Men. Lets see how it goes, hope it wont be a blunder.
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October 17, 2021, 01:25:52 AM
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We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.

Uber China team is still very strong at the moment but not with Team Thomas China, I think Indonesia has a very big chance to win it, judging from the players and ranking BWF Indonesia is far superior in both singles and doubles.
Currently China's regeneration is still not very good after being left by several senior players such as Lin and Cheng Long, there are no other Chinese players who appear with the same strength. Except for Shi Yuqi, he can't be consistent because of the injury he suffered.
I saw that during the match against Japan Shi yuqi was injured and if he couldn't play in the final it would be a very big advantage for the Thomas Indonesia team.
Team Thomas Indonesia had doubts at the beginning of this tournament but now they have proven it by successfully entering the final round.
I think they will win it. hopefully so.
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October 16, 2021, 11:08:51 PM
#51
We have the final here; Uber and Thomas cup 2021

Uber: China vs Japan
Thomas: Indonesia vs China

So far China still favorite to have combine Thomas and Uber, but for Thomas they have strong opponent, Indonesia have stable player every line on paper, each players standing on top 10 BWF Rank, Ginting and Jonathan stand on 5th and 7th rank, Mens double; have top 1st and 2nd ranks. while China only have Shi Yuqi on rank 10, Mens double; only have 4th rank. Single, Both (Ginting and Shi Yuqi) meet in opening Final Thomas cup 2021 to night.
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October 16, 2021, 04:55:09 PM
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When talking about Uber Indonesia, yeah, unfortunately, the women team of Indonesia doesn't have very great generation.
So far, women double GreyAp is the most that we can only believe to have good performance. But for the single, well, we know how they are.

But for the man team, in this Thomas cup, they have really done a very great job, until finally they could beat Denmark and will face China as the defending champion.
I personally certainly look forward to this final match and hope that Thomas Indonesia players can play optimally and well. Because after all, China is not a weak opponent. This team consists of various world top players, especially they have defeated the Japan team and certainly raises their enthusiasm and confidence.
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October 16, 2021, 12:28:56 PM
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It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?
because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.
The regeneration process for the Women Single in Indonesia is not working well.
There is no Indonesian single women who have great skills and stamina as what is used to be shown by one of Indonesian Single Women Legend "Susi Susanti".
I believe there are so many talented players in Indonesia but I have no idea why the Indonesian Badminton federation (PBSI) is not able to find and train the young talented players.
When talking about regeneration, I think Indonesia has a lot of potential gems in each region whose existence has not been revealed, because Indonesia is indeed very broad and it is true that here PBSI should be able to carry out the selection properly because Indonesia actually benefits from a country that is arguably very vast and impossible, from the vastness of this country there is no gem that will be able to shine in the place of the legends of yesteryear.

Actually, it's not only stamina and strategy but also mentality, if look at last single match in second set Ester seems to have lost motivation, her mentality not strong enough to bear the pressure because of the defeat in the first set and become the last hope for Indonesia to win.
This is still a problem that haunts Indonesian athletes from a few years ago.
I don't know if there is something wrong with the training system or if they are too relaxed because they look at past history for sure that athletes in Indonesia have always lost in the things you mentioned.
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October 16, 2021, 01:15:46 AM
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The Uber Indonesia team will face Thailand, Indonesia team not the favorite in this match but I still hope that Indonesia can reach the semifinals by beating Thailand, Polii/Apriyani should be able to give one point. It is very possible for Thailand to play Intanon as the main single.
It was a pretty good match but Thailand was ahead with a score of 3-2 and they deserved the next round.
the end of the uber indonesia team. what are their current barriers? is the uber team expecting too much of a doubles partner?
I couldn't watch this match and only see the final score, to be honest I was quite disappointed with the result even though I realized that Uber Indonesia was the underdogs team but the defeat still hurts.

As Panjul07 has said, the regeneration in the women's single is not going well and strangely it has been running even decades after Susi Susanti retired, there is still no change in regeneration.
Indeed. Maybe that is because it is hard to reach the requirement from the Indonesian Badminton Federation (PBSI) so the regeneration is not working good for the women's badminton team. It needs more to find another "Susi Susanti" or "Alan Budikusuma" or even "Icuk Sugiharto." Still, I believe that they will find some young talent who can bring glory to Indonesia.

because when you see them playing solo Indonesia, it's like losing in any case, both strategy and stamina.

Actually, it's not only stamina and strategy but also mentality, if look at last single match in second set Ester seems to have lost motivation, her mentality not strong enough to bear the pressure because of the defeat in the first set and become the last hope for Indonesia to win.
In badminton, mental takes a big part to control the field and forcing the opponent and if they do not have control over their emotion, they can lose before they fight.
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