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Topic: Baikal Giant N - Cryptonight, Cryptonight-lite FPGA/ASIC miner - page 32. (Read 32822 times)

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I do not understand why you could not just use the internal memory located inside the FPGA.  Many new 16nm Fpga has upwards of 75 megabyte of memory.  I would think having 37 really fast cores would be better than trying to use slow external ram.

Anyways, I found a reddit post of someone who supposedly did 20 kh/s on an monero FPGA miner. https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/7s9zwe/fpga_mining/

Could you give a link to the XMR V7 discussion?

It is true about internal memory, yes, tens of megabytes and dozens of cores. But what is the overall hashrate of the solution using internal memory? Data dependancy and high latency make memory stalled almost all the time. I suppose the external memory would hide the latency of AES and multiplier.

Anyway the practice is the cretery of truth. If 20KH/s miner is possible - OK, lets build it. I have not done the IP core of XMR yet, so my estimations are rough and careful.

So I do not change my answer - top 16 nm FPGA and dual-triple coin minning in mind is reasonable choice for miner.

I have to find the the link, it is somewhere in browser history.


I found a website that sells Boards with multiple FPGA’s  on them (http://www.dinigroup.com/web/index.php)
 
If you want to work on the dual/triple Miner with me,  I have the code to a NIST5 miner.
legendary
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I hope that upcoming Monero hardfork will kill this at least for Monero. But the rest Cryptonight coins will be pretty much suffer for GPU mining.
Same with Nicehash, if the hardfork will disable Monero for Nicehash all the mining power will go to ETN, SUMO, ITNS probably and without firmware update the same with this ASIC.

I'm very curious about the power consumption 20kH/s at 60W? When I forget to turn off the lights in bathroom I have higher power consumption there Cheesy
I also have doubts about such low electricity consumption. But now it doesn't matter. If Antminer X3 is enabled, the profit margin of These devices will be zero. It seems to me that a fierce competition has begun in the market of asics. Coins also activate their protection. Probably this method of mining has no future. Mining on a GPU will always be relevant because it is more decentralized.

I hope so
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I hope that upcoming Monero hardfork will kill this at least for Monero. But the rest Cryptonight coins will be pretty much suffer for GPU mining.
Same with Nicehash, if the hardfork will disable Monero for Nicehash all the mining power will go to ETN, SUMO, ITNS probably and without firmware update the same with this ASIC.

I'm very curious about the power consumption 20kH/s at 60W? When I forget to turn off the lights in bathroom I have higher power consumption there Cheesy
I also have doubts about such low electricity consumption. But now it doesn't matter. If Antminer X3 is enabled, the profit margin of These devices will be zero. It seems to me that a fierce competition has begun in the market of asics. Coins also activate their protection. Probably this method of mining has no future. Mining on a GPU will always be relevant because it is more decentralized.
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Monero network hashrate distribution (stats on 8 february)
Roughly 70% of network hashare are on private pools.
Seems to be coinhive, js web miners, compromised pc/cpu instances botnets and Baikal, PinIdea and Bitmain ASICs/FPGAs
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Looks like there is going to be a price drop.

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coz the other Players released its Cryptonight X3 beast

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020180314213415366s4au3Xw306A4

I wonder how they play things and its getting a little interesting on the marketing side
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With Cryptonight ASICs on the horizon, when (if) Ethereum does go to POS, it's starting to look like AMD based miners are in for a shit-show.

Ancient news.
AMD Polaris cards can mine stuff like ZEC effectively, but profitability on EVERYTHING is going to drop a lot when ETH goes POS and those 10 million OR MORE GPUs currently mining it go looking for new homes.


No coin can sustain that amount of hash coming to it from all those cards that were mining eth,only miners that dont pay for electricity can continue to work rest of us gonna just move to vr thx to our cards Grin Kinda currious where did you get 10 mill gpus would really like to see if someone did the math on that one
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Looks like there is going to be a price drop.

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legendary
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Those ASIC producers always has a weird business model, selling in advance, publishing nowdays profitability, ask for payments in advance, delivery in "batches" after 1,2 or 3 months while they mined with those units with extra profitability. When You receive it, You will have very looooong ROI. Difficulty skyrocket, specially on small algos.
Warranty only 6 months, low quality support (or no support). If You have non working unit, even in warranty, You has to sent it to factory on Your own costs (for delivery, for custom...).
They try always to make extra profit: Baikal now asks minimum 21600USD, Bitmain 12000USD investment. For what? After the antiASIC forks, those units can be only doorstops, not even a heaters like D3 from Bitmain.


They support decentralization  Roll Eyes
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https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201803132107063379CD35Gxy064F

Hashing algorithm: CryptoNight
Power consumption: 550W
Hashrate: 220KH/s
sr. member
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Those ASIC producers always has a weird business model, selling in advance, publishing nowdays profitability, ask for payments in advance, delivery in "batches" after 1,2 or 3 months while they mined with those units with extra profitability. When You receive it, You will have very looooong ROI. Difficulty skyrocket, specially on small algos.
Warranty only 6 months, low quality support (or no support). If You have non working unit, even in warranty, You has to sent it to factory on Your own costs (for delivery, for custom...).
They try always to make extra profit: Baikal now asks minimum 21600USD, Bitmain 12000USD investment. For what? After the antiASIC forks, those units can be only doorstops, not even a heaters like D3 from Bitmain.

You are right, they know to consider miners are valuable customers and not just baits to sacrifice.
newbie
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people dont buy ASICS for this algos.
i am sure devs will pull the plug and fork every coin.
Only bitmain will create coins that are minable (like BCH) so they can mine it.
Stay away stay decentralized
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Those ASIC producers always has a weird business model, selling in advance, publishing nowdays profitability, ask for payments in advance, delivery in "batches" after 1,2 or 3 months while they mined with those units with extra profitability. When You receive it, You will have very looooong ROI. Difficulty skyrocket, specially on small algos.
Warranty only 6 months, low quality support (or no support). If You have non working unit, even in warranty, You has to sent it to factory on Your own costs (for delivery, for custom...).
They try always to make extra profit: Baikal now asks minimum 21600USD, Bitmain 12000USD investment. For what? After the antiASIC forks, those units can be only doorstops, not even a heaters like D3 from Bitmain.
legendary
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No.. If you bought vega 56s at launch (like I did). You would have 10X vega 56 = 4000USD @ 18kh/s. Vega 56s can easily hit 150W @ 2kh/s. His statement is fairly accurate. Hashing wise it's not that impressive. It's the power consumption where there's a big difference.

Lowest I ever saw the Vega 56 at was $450 - on a brief sale shortly before the stock on them disappeared due to Monero miners finding out about their performance.
Still the economics aren't all that much better - but the POWER USAGE is a ton better.

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Monero POW is changing to CryptoNightV7 in about 15 days, so I don't think you can sell this as a monero miner..

Just saying  Roll Eyes
That's great news. If these ASICs are real and are being sold, then they've been used for mining for a long time now, and they're only selling them in order to dump them because they'll soon be scrap.  And if Monero changes, most/all of the other cryptonight coins will surely follow pretty quickly.  I'd like to hope for a revival in cpu/vega mining.

On the sad side, if these ASICS are real, and their specs are real, then it could be a trivial task for someone to make new ASICs for the new algo. Is it a trivial task?

Trivial or not, it won't make sense financially since Monero will be modifying the algorithm every 6 months. It's not feasible to make an ASIC for that.

AT LEAST every 6 months - they also stated they were willing to do "emergency forks" to kill ASIC mining.


Utterly fantastic. I need to buy more Monero. Fuck you bitmain & baikal.  Grin Kiss

Yea that's excellent. Awesome they are breaking the monopolization/centralization of that bitmain garbage.
legendary
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Monero POW is changing to CryptoNightV7 in about 15 days, so I don't think you can sell this as a monero miner..

Just saying  Roll Eyes
That's great news. If these ASICs are real and are being sold, then they've been used for mining for a long time now, and they're only selling them in order to dump them because they'll soon be scrap.  And if Monero changes, most/all of the other cryptonight coins will surely follow pretty quickly.  I'd like to hope for a revival in cpu/vega mining.

On the sad side, if these ASICS are real, and their specs are real, then it could be a trivial task for someone to make new ASICs for the new algo. Is it a trivial task?

Trivial or not, it won't make sense financially since Monero will be modifying the algorithm every 6 months. It's not feasible to make an ASIC for that.

AT LEAST every 6 months - they also stated they were willing to do "emergency forks" to kill ASIC mining.


Utterly fantastic. I need to buy more Monero. Fuck you bitmain & baikal.  Grin Kiss
legendary
Activity: 1498
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Monero POW is changing to CryptoNightV7 in about 15 days, so I don't think you can sell this as a monero miner..

Just saying  Roll Eyes
That's great news. If these ASICs are real and are being sold, then they've been used for mining for a long time now, and they're only selling them in order to dump them because they'll soon be scrap.  And if Monero changes, most/all of the other cryptonight coins will surely follow pretty quickly.  I'd like to hope for a revival in cpu/vega mining.

On the sad side, if these ASICS are real, and their specs are real, then it could be a trivial task for someone to make new ASICs for the new algo. Is it a trivial task?

Trivial or not, it won't make sense financially since Monero will be modifying the algorithm every 6 months. It's not feasible to make an ASIC for that.

AT LEAST every 6 months - they also stated they were willing to do "emergency forks" to kill ASIC mining.
legendary
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i will bail out on this one, to expensive, 1250$ would be a good price, but they will find enough sheeps who buy that miner...

Hopefully they won't. But the uninformed masses never cease to amaze me. This thing is dead on arrival. I'd love to see baikal lose millions with this ASIC due to all the major coins switching algos (Monero and IPBC confirmed so far) but they've probably already made their investment back by mining with these for a few months before announcing them, unfortunately.

They can change algos as many times they like, if it stays below or at 1mb requirement you will be able to mine it with asic

After the months of lead time and the VERY EXPENSIVE costs to redesign and re-qualify the design, sure you can.
legendary
Activity: 1498
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With Cryptonight ASICs on the horizon, when (if) Ethereum does go to POS, it's starting to look like AMD based miners are in for a shit-show.

Ancient news.
AMD Polaris cards can mine stuff like ZEC effectively, but profitability on EVERYTHING is going to drop a lot when ETH goes POS and those 10 million OR MORE GPUs currently mining it go looking for new homes.

legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
Monero POW is changing to CryptoNightV7 in about 15 days, so I don't think you can sell this as a monero miner..

Just saying  Roll Eyes


I'm not sure that minor changes in hash algorithm can help to avoid asics, cause they probably can update/reprogramming their FPGA

You can't reprogram a FPGA - and Bitmain AFAIK has never made a FPGA-based miner for sale (they may have used FPGA as part of their "validation" process for their ASIC-based miners though, that's a standard industry practice).

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