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Here we go: the 2023 Ballon d'Or nominee list. I can't wait for this. It makes me laugh that Ronaldo wasn't nominated for the Ballon d'Or for the first time in 20 years, since 2003. The winner is already decided, and that is Messi.
There are several reasons why the 2023 Ballon d'Or will be won by Messi because he has had such a nice performance at PSG and Argentina. The reason is shown in the image below.

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i also read this news and Man City is the club that has the majority of the players who are nominated for the 2023 Ballon d'Or, haaland is predicted as the favorite choice this time because he managed to bring Man City to the UCL title and others, but i think he is still not worthy because his achievements in the national team are not that good. anyway the most likely winner of the 2023 Ballon d'Or is Messi ^{(at the moment Messi is still the player with the most Ballon d'Or holders)}. if messi manages to get the 2023 ballon d'or trophy then it will be his last trophy because there is no way he will be able to get it again when he plays for the MLS league right now.

Even though Messi won the world cup, I don't think his performance at PSG last season was good enough for him to be nominated for the Ballon d'Or. Most people know and think that even the world cup was rigged for him, so he didn't deserved to won it. For this reason, I can understand why most people believe that Messi deserves the award despite with the PSG poor performance at UCL last season. I think Haaland deserves to win the 2023 Ballon d'Or more than Messi because he scored more goals and won more trophies last season. The majority of people claim that Haaland is disqualified for the award because he lacks the necessary dribbling skills, but even Karim Benzema, who won it in 2022, cannot dribble as well as Messi.

The FIFA World Cup tournament comes up after every four years and as the most prestigious football competition, the best player of the tournament does end up as the Balon D'or winner of the year and that's why majority of people are backing Lionel Messi to win the prize that he's already won on seven different occasions which is the most by footballer.
Erling Haaland had an impressive season with Manchester City last season and helped the club to win their first ever treble which included their first UEFA Champions League trophy as well but in my own opinion, I don't even think he was the club's best player last season. If the Balon D'or winner should come from Manchester City, I think Kelvin De Bruyne stands a better chance of winning it.

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Quote from: Docnaster on September 07, 2023, 04:18:05 PM

Lionel Messi may likely win the Ballon D'or award of this year. The reason I said he might likely win is that any Ballon D'Or that is conducted in the year of the World Cup is always measured with the world cup performance.~

The main reason is corruption, everything else is not so important.
If you think otherwise, remember 2008-2012 when Spain achieved a treble (which other teams never dreamed of), but during this period Messi received 4 Ballon D'ors (failing at the 2010 World Cup and the 2011 South American Cup) and Xavi and Iniesta for two were able to earn as much as zero Grin

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 02:21:21 PM

It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.

Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

I agree with you that Messi is the favorite to win the ballon d'or because he displayed an outstanding performance in the world cup which led to Argentina winning the world cup. It is quite surprising that the two players who played the finals and made it very interesting, couldn't perform well in European leagues or was their poor performance the fault of their clubs because both of them are in PSG.

Haalad performed extraordinary in the European champion league and showed the potential that he got which was also part of the success of Man city. He won the tribble but this wouldn't still make him win the ballon d'or because Messi is more a genius than him in football history and for that reason he would be favoured by FIFA.

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Quote from: GxSTxV on September 07, 2023, 03:53:04 PM

couldn't agree more with you. Simply by looking at how players have been chosen as Ballon d'Or winners in previous editions i think it's clear that Messi is likely to win and truly deserves it. While this might not be his best season ever and performance was going down in some moments with PSG, But considering his age and circumstances, he was undoubtedly the best player in the 2022/2023 season titles and stats. Without forgetting his outstanding performance in the World Cup where he led Argentina to win the final.
On the other hand, The Norwegian talent Haaland keeps improving each year and recently won the UEFA Champions League with Manchester City, establishing himself as the best striker in Europe this season and managing to score at least a goal almost in every match. I believe his chances would have been higher if Messi hadn't won the World Cup.

One more thing that i noticed it might be a first in the Ballon d'Or history, is that if Messi wins this edition he will be the first player received the award while playing for a non-European club. Since all previous winners were playing for European clubs.

The only reason why they decide to give Messi another title is because he won the world cup and scored a good number of goals in the tournament asides that Haaland stand better chance of winning it, he was without any doubt the player with the best performance last season and i wish he'll be chosen instead of Messi who's won about 7, making it more difficult for anyone in this generation to beat his record.
Records are meant to be broken but it would take a very long time, before Messi Ballon D'or record gets broken by anyone, because he kerps setting new ones by beating the previous ones, if Messi wins this it would be his 8th Ballon D'or tittle, how is anyone going get up to níne Ballon D'or title after Messi retires from football that's why I'll prefer Haaland wins it.

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Lionel Messi may likely win the Ballon D'or award of this year. The reason I said he might likely win is that any Ballon D'Or that is conducted in the year of the World Cup is always measured with the world cup performance. And with this, Messi won the World Cup and he also did a good job at PSG. Apart from this, Haaland of Manchester City has a very intimidating stat to compare with that of Messi. When Messi do not have enough statistics to win such awards. It is always giving him now that he has such statistics and his major contender, Ronaldo is not in the contest. He has it.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 02:21:21 PM

It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.

Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

This does not need to be speculated more or discussed about more. It is obvious that Messi will be the Ballon d’or winner for last season. His close rivalry Haaland that have been shortlisted really did well but the World Cup won by Messi is enough to give him an advantage over him. Haaland has already achieved a lot in his young age, by next ballon d’or event, I’m hoping to see Haaland close to winning it. Another player I hope to see coming this close to compete with Haaland is Mbappe, which I am sure if he performs well this season, he’ll be a worthy option for the ballon d’or winner together with Haaland.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 02:21:21 PM

It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.
Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

I couldn't agree more with you. Simply by looking at how players have been chosen as Ballon d'Or winners in previous editions i think it's clear that Messi is likely to win and truly deserves it. While this might not be his best season ever and performance was going down in some moments with PSG, But considering his age and circumstances, he was undoubtedly the best player in the 2022/2023 season titles and stats. Without forgetting his outstanding performance in the World Cup where he led Argentina to win the final.
On the other hand, The Norwegian talent Haaland keeps improving each year and recently won the UEFA Champions League with Manchester City, establishing himself as the best striker in Europe this season and managing to score at least a goal almost in every match. I believe his chances would have been higher if Messi hadn't won the World Cup.

One more thing that i noticed it might be a first in the Ballon d'Or history, is that if Messi wins this edition he will be the first player received the award while playing for a non-European club. Since all previous winners were playing for European clubs.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on September 07, 2023, 02:42:59 PM

I also think that it is going to be Erling Haaland. He has performed really well so far. Honestly, I do not think anyone is going to actually come close to that. But if we think about the World Cup winning from Lionel Messi, then nothing actually comes close to Lionel Messi as well.

And when I said Erling Haaland is going to be the winner of the Ballon d'Or, I did not remember the World Cup winning of Lionel Messi. if Lionel Messi is actually able to win the Ballon d'Or, I don’t think that record is ever going to be broken. If he does, it is going to be the eighth Ballon d'Or for Lionel Messi. And when we remember him getting this prize even when Lewandowski had a great performance compared to him earlier, I definitely start to believe that FIFA is really a little biased. That makes me believe that he is going to win the Ballon d'Or again.

FIFA is always making it difficult for one to tell the statistics they are using in picking the final winner, they are always changing it to favour a particular player. I could remember vividly 2010 Ballon D'or when they rubbed Wesley Sneijder the award who won the champions league with Inter Milan and finished as runner up in 2010 world cup with Netherlands, but Messi was chosen over him.

In this year's award, if they want to go by european success, then Erling Halaand should land the award but if the want to go by World cup (or World cup and europe), then I think Julian Alvarez is the best candidate. Winning the champions league alongside every other trophies Messi won like Copa America, Finalissima and World Cup gives him an edge over Messi.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 02:21:21 PM

It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.

Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

I think yes, because winning the world cup is the most prestigious competition. Messi has a great chance to win the Ballon D'0r trophy again for the umpteenth time, supported by his very impressive appearance so that in the last final match Messi contributed a lot. With this achievement, Messi has a great opportunity to win the Ballon D'0r award again. even though in the Chanpions League, he failed to bring his team to a trophy.

While Haaland, the Manchester United star really deserves to win his first award. he and his team were able to win the treble winner trophy, even though in two crucial Champions League matches, Haaland was unable to show his best game and did not score a goal. but in any case, Haaland deserves to win the Ballon D'0r award. Uniquely, Messi previously stated that he was no longer interested in winning this award. however, he is included in the list of strong candidates to win the Ballon D'0r best player title. well, let's just wait and see who is the most worthy of these two players. although in truth, for me, these two players were extraordinary, even though they were in different eras.

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Here we go: the 2023 Ballon d'Or nominee list. I can't wait for this. It makes me laugh that Ronaldo wasn't nominated for the Ballon d'Or for the first time in 20 years, since 2003. The winner is already decided, and that is Messi.
There are several reasons why the 2023 Ballon d'Or will be won by Messi because he has had such a nice performance at PSG and Argentina. The reason is shown in the image below.

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i also read this news and Man City is the club that has the majority of the players who are nominated for the 2023 Ballon d'Or, haaland is predicted as the favorite choice this time because he managed to bring Man City to the UCL title and others, but i think he is still not worthy because his achievements in the national team are not that good. anyway the most likely winner of the 2023 Ballon d'Or is Messi ^{(at the moment Messi is still the player with the most Ballon d'Or holders)}. if messi manages to get the 2023 ballon d'or trophy then it will be his last trophy because there is no way he will be able to get it again when he plays for the MLS league right now.

Since French federation are in charge of the Ballon d'or, I hab the feeling they won't be supportive of Lionel Messi just as they did the last season of the Ballon d'or awards. They should be against him since Argentina won the world cup over France during the World Cup finals.
Erling Haaland scored too many goals to be ignored or deprived off the award. If he wins he will be the first player after Ronaldo won as a Manchester United player to do so in the Premier League. Erling achieved goals and awards with Pepsand Citys help.

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Of course for the nominations for the ballon d'Or 2023 which has great potential to get it is Messi if you look at the journey that is done one year back with PSG and Argentina, it cannot be doubted anymore, about haaland, I am still a new child, even though he gained popularity very high and shocking achievements with the achievements of the cave but it is not a guarantee that he will get it because it depends on Manchester City, the activity of football matches defending the country also makes one additional value for the winner. But indeed there is nothing else to make a rival besides him for a closer nomination.

To be honest, I was very disappointed because Ronaldo did not enter the nomination, Messi's fans would be more happy.lol

Usually winning UEFA Champion League is parameter to be the winner of Ballon D'or but an exceptional when Lionel Messi keep dominance or he has bigger chance than Haaland. Winning FIFA World Cup 2022 is one thing make special achievement for Lionel Messi with his national teams but he has bad performance when playing with PSG last season after failure in Champion League. Actually Haaland is strong candidate for winning Ballon D'or but he don't have special performance with his national teams but with impressive achievement by winning three tittles with Manchester City last season could be important points why Haaland have to get Ballon D'or.

Its seems funny if Lionel Messi get Ballon D'or again because he plays with bad or not competitive league as MLS than Haaland played in Premier League Grin

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I don't slightly think Messi could be considered to win an eight Ballon d'or as he's playing for MLS, a weaker league compared to where champions league soccer is played and the pressure to perform is tested to the core.
Haaland might be a notable contender for the Ballon d'or, but he doesn't quite measure up with the criteria yet. He has to perform outside club matches like in the world cup, champions league. He has to increase his goal tally and consistency too. Am also confident this talk of Haaland is possible owning to the fact of a great manager in the person of Pep Guardiola. He managed Messi well at Barca and with Haaland under his wings, am sure he would polish him into a fine Ballon d'or winner.

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Here we go: the 2023 Ballon d'Or nominee list. I can't wait for this. It makes me laugh that Ronaldo wasn't nominated for the Ballon d'Or for the first time in 20 years, since 2003. The winner is already decided, and that is Messi.
There are several reasons why the 2023 Ballon d'Or will be won by Messi because he has had such a nice performance at PSG and Argentina. The reason is shown in the image below.

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i also read this news and Man City is the club that has the majority of the players who are nominated for the 2023 Ballon d'Or, haaland is predicted as the favorite choice this time because he managed to bring Man City to the UCL title and others, but i think he is still not worthy because his achievements in the national team are not that good. anyway the most likely winner of the 2023 Ballon d'Or is Messi ^{(at the moment Messi is still the player with the most Ballon d'Or holders)}. if messi manages to get the 2023 ballon d'or trophy then it will be his last trophy because there is no way he will be able to get it again when he plays for the MLS league right now.

I also think that it is going to be Erling Haaland. He has performed really well so far. Honestly, I do not think anyone is going to actually come close to that. But if we think about the World Cup winning from Lionel Messi, then nothing actually comes close to Lionel Messi as well.

And when I said Erling Haaland is going to be the winner of the Ballon d'Or, I did not remember the World Cup winning of Lionel Messi. if Lionel Messi is actually able to win the Ballon d'Or, I don’t think that record is ever going to be broken. If he does, it is going to be the eighth Ballon d'Or for Lionel Messi. And when we remember him getting this prize even when Lewandowski had a great performance compared to him earlier, I definitely start to believe that FIFA is really a little biased. That makes me believe that he is going to win the Ballon d'Or again.

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Quote from: bangjoe on September 07, 2023, 02:31:56 PM

Of course for the nominations for the ballon d'Or 2023 which has great potential to get it is Messi if you look at the journey that is done one year back with PSG and Argentina, it cannot be doubted anymore, about haaland, I am still a new child, even though he gained popularity very high and shocking achievements with the achievements of the cave but it is not a guarantee that he will get it because it depends on Manchester City, the activity of football matches defending the country also makes one additional value for the winner. But indeed there is nothing else to make a rival besides him for a closer nomination.

To be honest, I was very disappointed because Ronaldo did not enter the nomination, Messi's fans would be more happy.lol

Usually winning UEFA Champion League is parameter to be the winner of Ballon D'or but an exceptional when Lionel Messi keep dominance or he has bigger chance than Haaland. Winning FIFA World Cup 2022 is one thing make special achievement for Lionel Messi with his national teams but he has bad performance when playing with PSG last season after failure in Champion League. Actually Haaland is strong candidate for winning Ballon D'or but he don't have special performance with his national teams but with impressive achievement by winning three tittles with Manchester City last season could be important points why Haaland have to get Ballon D'or.

Its seems funny if Lionel Messi get Ballon D'or again because he plays with bad or not competitive league as MLS than Haaland played in Premier League Grin

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 02:21:21 PM

It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.

Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

Yes I also agree with you. Indeed, Erling Halland's first season with Man City was extraordinary because of his very, very good contribution throughout the season with Manchester City, especially in helping Man City achieve trophy winners.

But who will win the Ballon d'Or if you look at all the individual achievements, maybe Haland can be counted on to get the Ballon d'Or. However, Lionel Messi could also be worthy of getting the Ballon d'Or. If you look at Haland getting a triple winner and lots of goals + assists, but Lionel Messi also won (Copa America, finalissima and world cup) and Messi's goals + assists are also okay. So I also agree, the one who deserves the Ballon d'Or this year is Lionel Messi and this will be the last time he wins it.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 07, 2023, 02:21:21 PM

It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.

Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

Everyone knows about it, bookmakers quote this event around 1.06 Grin

It's rather ironic that a pensioner-pedestrian will receive the prize at a time when a new generation of stars has already won everything they could. But such is the politics, in the end, this award turned into a clown award back in the days of Blatter, and although it was interesting to watch how Ronaldo was able to break the system, the essence has not changed.

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Here we go: the 2023 Ballon d'Or nominee list. I can't wait for this. It makes me laugh that Ronaldo wasn't nominated for the Ballon d'Or for the first time in 20 years, since 2003. The winner is already decided, and that is Messi.
There are several reasons why the 2023 Ballon d'Or will be won by Messi because he has had such a nice performance at PSG and Argentina. The reason is shown in the image below.

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i also read this news and Man City is the club that has the majority of the players who are nominated for the 2023 Ballon d'Or, haaland is predicted as the favorite choice this time because he managed to bring Man City to the UCL title and others, but i think he is still not worthy because his achievements in the national team are not that good. anyway the most likely winner of the 2023 Ballon d'Or is Messi ^{(at the moment Messi is still the player with the most Ballon d'Or holders)}. if messi manages to get the 2023 ballon d'or trophy then it will be his last trophy because there is no way he will be able to get it again when he plays for the MLS league right now.

Of course for the nominations for the ballon d'Or 2023 which has great potential to get it is Messi if you look at the journey that is done one year back with PSG and Argentina, it cannot be doubted anymore, about haaland, I am still a new child, even though he gained popularity very high and shocking achievements with the achievements of the cave but it is not a guarantee that he will get it because it depends on Manchester City, the activity of football matches defending the country also makes one additional value for the winner. But indeed there is nothing else to make a rival besides him for a closer nomination.

To be honest, I was very disappointed because Ronaldo did not enter the nomination, Messi's fans would be more happy.lol

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It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.

Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

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Here we go: the 2023 Ballon d'Or nominee list. I can't wait for this. It makes me laugh that Ronaldo wasn't nominated for the Ballon d'Or for the first time in 20 years, since 2003. The winner is already decided, and that is Messi.
There are several reasons why the 2023 Ballon d'Or will be won by Messi because he has had such a nice performance at PSG and Argentina. The reason is shown in the image below.

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i also read this news and Man City is the club that has the majority of the players who are nominated for the 2023 Ballon d'Or, haaland is predicted as the favorite choice this time because he managed to bring Man City to the UCL title and others, but i think he is still not worthy because his achievements in the national team are not that good. anyway the most likely winner of the 2023 Ballon d'Or is Messi ^{(at the moment Messi is still the player with the most Ballon d'Or holders)}. if messi manages to get the 2023 ballon d'or trophy then it will be his last trophy because there is no way he will be able to get it again when he plays for the MLS league right now.

Even though Messi won the world cup, I don't think his performance at PSG last season was good enough for him to be nominated for the Ballon d'Or. Most people know and think that even the world cup was rigged for him, so he didn't deserved to won it. For this reason, I can understand why most people believe that Messi deserves the award despite with the PSG poor performance at UCL last season. I think Haaland deserves to win the 2023 Ballon d'Or more than Messi because he scored more goals and won more trophies last season. The majority of people claim that Haaland is disqualified for the award because he lacks the necessary dribbling skills, but even Karim Benzema, who won it in 2022, cannot dribble as well as Messi.

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Here we go: the 2023 Ballon d'Or nominee list. I can't wait for this. It makes me laugh that Ronaldo wasn't nominated for the Ballon d'Or for the first time in 20 years, since 2003. The winner is already decided, and that is Messi.
There are several reasons why the 2023 Ballon d'Or will be won by Messi because he has had such a nice performance at PSG and Argentina. The reason is shown in the image below.

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i also read this news and Man City is the club that has the majority of the players who are nominated for the 2023 Ballon d'Or, haaland is predicted as the favorite choice this time because he managed to bring Man City to the UCL title and others, but i think he is still not worthy because his achievements in the national team are not that good. anyway the most likely winner of the 2023 Ballon d'Or is Messi ^{(at the moment Messi is still the player with the most Ballon d'Or holders)}. if messi manages to get the 2023 ballon d'or trophy then it will be his last trophy because there is no way he will be able to get it again when he plays for the MLS league right now.

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Quote from: cygan on September 07, 2023, 10:15:01 AM

it's almost that time again and this year's ballon d'or trophy will be awarded.
there is now officially a list with all the players' names (men as well as women) that can be voted for by the nations. the official winner will be announced in paris on october 30.
who would be your favorite to win the trophy? Wink

not nominated are Ronaldo, Neymar and Rashford...

Here we go: the 2023 Ballon d'Or nominee list. I can't wait for this. It makes me laugh that Ronaldo wasn't nominated for the Ballon d'Or for the first time in 20 years, since 2003. The winner is already decided, and that is Messi.
There are several reasons why the 2023 Ballon d'Or will be won by Messi because he has had such a nice performance at PSG and Argentina. The reason is shown in the image below.

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