Topic: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds - page 10. (Read 3824 times)

What Messi got this, this year he is a World Cup champion? But for achievements at the club it was zero or even a failure. But why is the Ballon De'Or held every year? I think it's unfair that the world cup achievement is the best. I think Haaland will be better than Messi. Maybe there are many fans who have the same opinion as me. It should be calculated from one year and the average achievements at club and country. It would seem that it would be fairer than the current result.

Well I think in a much as I don't like the fact that he's created a record that would be very difficult to be broken, he was very impressive in the world cup, and helped his country to secure the trophy, also performed well in the Ligue 1 while he was at PSG last season he scored about 19 goals in all competitions with 16 assists, he deserves the Trophy, some people should understand that FIFA has made their decision on who they feel merits the award and their is nothing anyone can do about it, they should just accept the fact that he's an 8th time Ballon D'or title winner.

 However Haaland had a very impressive season, he's a wonderful player and won a lot of trophies including scoring a very good number or goals and I think more than other striker in Europe last season if it were possible to give two Ballon D'or trophies then Haaland deserves one, but then it's not possible and he should keep working hard cause he could still win it in the near future.

Very boring, almost every one talking about Messi
The Messi I know, just like what you said Messi don't deserve this award when talking about Messi and Cr7, Messi is no where compared to Ronaldo for real, never. When it comes to creativeness and football I will give the card to Ronaldo. Now I want to understand something, I think this Ballon d'Or award would have been given to mbappe if France  had won the world cup and that's just the truth. Honestly speaking Messi dont deserve  this award why? He lacks creative skill this time. Secondly why am I seeing people calling Haaland, same Haaland that has been quite for a while he only get a chance to score goal when their opponent are weak and can't play, just like what he did to Manchester united this Sunday. For me mbappe deserves this award

All these are words, but in fact Messi without Barcelona is an ordinary average player. If you watch football, then you must have heard about Iniesta, Xavi and others who were consistently better than Messi (and achieved the greatest achievements without him, while he failed without them) but did not win a single Ballon d'Or.
And yes, one thing most bright is always memorable, Messi was good, but one of the brightest “threads” in his career was being a favorite of football officials (you understand what kind of scum these are, you follow football, hehe?) and a thief.

I see the award as an award given to the player who has the most influence for their team in very big and important games, players who can make a difference regardless of the team that their team is up against. Haaland may have scored a good number of goals last season, wo the treble with Manchester City, but he is not Balon d'Or material yet because in big games, he can be completely shadowed out.

See Jude Bellingham for instance, he is Balon d'Or material, seen how he carries his team, just like Mbappe who can also on singlehandedly make a huge impact in a game. See past winners like Ronaldo and even Benzema, they all had huge influence for their team in the season they won the award, scoring goals, and creating chances for others.

Haaland got the award he deserve for the now, he is a great goal scorer, nobody denies that, but there should still be a lot of improvement to his game to be considered the best player in the world.

I do understand people not being happy with Messi winning it, there are a lot of people who thought that he shouldn't have won, and to be fair it is not the first time, when you look back on the history of this award, we can say that almost each year there was at least one other player that was equally good to the winner, sometimes even better.

However, in this case, we could be quite sure that it is literally his very last one, there is no scenario that he will win another one, the fact that world cup happened when it did and not earlier, and Messi getting it gave him a big edge over Haaland. I think people do have the right to be upset over this, I think Messi deserved it, but I also understand whoever says he didn't, I wouldn't argue, Haaland definitely deserved it too. Although, I would say it was Messi or Haaland, I wouldn't give it to anyone else.

Winning the World Cup is not as easy as a team winning the Champions League. The World Cup is a big event that doesn't happen every year and not all super stars can win it with their country. Messi won it and I have to say that it has beaten the winner of the Champions League and the owner of other records such as top scorer, but Messi didn't just win it because of the World Cup.

There will always be those who hate him and there will always be those who love him, that is something that cannot be avoided because of disappointment and admiration. Messi has won 8 awards throughout his career, but I was impressed by his speech that basically Haaland could also win the award this season because of his performance and achievements last season.

I lost confidence in the voting pattern of the Ballon d'Or two years ago when it was won by Messi when it was clear that Robert Lewandowski deserved the award. Since then I have stopped watching the event and lowered my expectations on the awards. It seems the system is already skewed to favor Messi. His only achievement is just the World Cup while Erling Haaland achieved more than him. We will not be surprised that the Argentine skipper will be given another Ballon d'Or after his retirement for doing nothing .

Messi might not deserve the last two Ballon d'Or he won but he is a great player. He is one of the greatest players in the world and I don't think he should be compared with players like Muller and Totti. Messi is far above their class and should be compared with players like Ronaldo, Maradona, and Platini. Some of the awards he has won is disputable but it doesn't erase the fact that he deserved most of them.

Honestly, there have been confusion over the determining factor to win the Ballon D'or. We still don’t know what a player has to win to be able to win this award. Today, a player’s performance in the World Cup can get you this award. Tomorrow, you play well at club level and you get crowned the Ballon D' or. There are so many uncertainties around this award and with time, the award will become irrelevant if this continues. A lot of football fans believes Haaland should have won this award because he had a better season than everyone else. Talking about his achievements, he won the UCL, EPL, FA Cup and has broken goal scoring records in the process. It’s unfair that Messi wining the World Cup alone gave him this award.

After all, this is the most prestigious award in the world of football and this award is highly coveted by world-class football players.
And here I also think the same as you, that Erling Halland is the one who deserves this award, because I see Halland performing so perfectly in almost every match. but here I also think. Maybe this is the last gift given by FIFA to Lionel Messi before Lionel Messi really retires from the world of football.

Not Messi and not Ronaldo because their time is over, but "no" with Kylian Mbappe because with his relatively young age and quite good playing performance, I am sure that he can still perform well in the next few years and remain a candidate who is strong in the race for the Ballon d'Or for the next few years.

When asked of who should win the Ballon D'or this year, Pep Guardiola  said he had a great affection for the both players who cake first and second to win the award.  He went on to say  Messi had a fantastic world cup competition and should have it. Messi was also grateful he was crowned winner still he knew Haaland was better than him from his final speech given on stage.
Most people believe that Haaland should have gotten it and he should. He will do better this season having Pep Guardiola as his guide is a good opportunity he should be considered lucky to win it.

I don't want to discuss Messi's now well-known qualities and career, ok he won the World Cup last year and he certainly had a big impact on the final verdict, but in my opinion this edition of the Ballon d'Or seemed like a farce, Haaland did it extraordinary things throughout the year! broke record after record, won the Premier League and the Champions League but it wasn't enough to receive the right recognition for what he did. My congratulations to Messi for having obtained his eighth Ballon d'Or, a record that is difficult to replicate

The Ballon D'or certainly isn't fair given that people have to vote. Yes, I know Messi was great at the world cup and definitely did his best and won however, Haaland was also phenomenal last season. He was by far the best player but if the World Cup is the determining factor than I guess Messi deserved it otherwise it should have gone to Haaland given his man city performance last season.

This is quite the take on arguably one of the greatest players that football has ever witnessed. Putting Messi at the level of Totti and Muller clearly shows that you do not watch the sport at all or you support a rival club/player which makes you blind to what goes on in it.

I am not even a fanboy, I just watch football neutrally and call what I see. It is debatable whether Messi won this Balon D'or just as the one that Modric one and some Ronaldo won as well. That is football, fans have their opinions and can go extreme with it, but saying he "could" have gone does as a great athlete... is ridiculous.

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I think Haaland possibly should have been crowned but I understand why Messi was voted as the best player in the world. I mean domestically Messi wasn’t great but winning the World Cup was all he was missing from his trophy laden career.

I just feel like Haaland’s season was better than Messi’s. Possibly it was a sentimental reason Messi was crowned but I don’t think too many people will complain.

It’ll be interesting to see who wins it next year. It won’t be Messi or Ronaldo, their time is over due to age. It’s time for the new class to emerge.

Ronaldo is far away from taking the Ballon d'Or for many reasons, Ronaldo didn't have any won trophies this season compared to Messi or even Haaland.
Beside that, we can't compare the level of Saudi Arabia League and Europ leagues. By the history of Ballon d'Or winners we can see that they always favorite players with more trophies and each one has a value. World cup is the most valuable trophy even compared to UCL trophy.

For me, Messi really deserve his eighth Ballon d'Or, as he is the favorite competitor to win. I believe also in the next versions we will see a competition between Halaand and Mbappé.

Hahaha, you just don’t understand: according to the logic of the fanboys, if a team wins, then it’s Messi’s merit, but if it loses, then it’s the team’s problem, Messi has nothing to do with it 
Everything else works exactly the same - if Messi failed at the World Cup, then it is not important, if he failed everywhere except the World Cup, then the World Cup is important.

In general, it’s sad that Messi could have gone down in history as a great athlete even from “one team,” (far from the best, but at the level of Thomas Müller, Totti, etc.) but he went down as a great thief.

Messi is a play maker and that is what Haaland is not. A playmaker doesn't wait for Midfielders and wingers to do all the job for him to get the ball and score, a playmaker does the job of midfielder, winger and a striker and Messi has thia combination and that's why the record showed that Messi had more assist than other contenders in the list of runners. Winning the world cup was a booster that increased Messi chance of winning Balon D'or than any other players because even if it was Mbape that won the World cup, they will picked him over Haaland that won the treble because World cup is a very heavy and most desire trophy that comes around ones in every four years.



What are you saying Mr. Man, Messi won the League 1 twice in a row, how are they even better than him because Haaland won the Champions League and Premier League. Messi single handedly led other players to the World cup, without him no way that world cup is coming back home. Even Haaland presence wasn't felt in the Champions League final, no goal from him and no single assist but Messi was everywhere in the World cup from the group stage until the final. If it were to be like that and a vote was supposed to pass around without Messi been a contender, they will favour Mbape over Haaland because having to World cup back to back will definitely be an advantage for him.

You are right, FIFA manipulated the winner and that was why they gave it to their boy Lionel Messi. I still believe that football is not over yet and as the youngsters are coming up, we will still have another great name that will break Messi record on Ballon d'or, and this time that youngster might win it up to 10 times.

Now that the two rival are out of the competition, I am looking for to see a new superstar that will win it next year and we are watching closely, to see if FIFA will bring sentiment into it again. Let them just allow things to flow naturally in football. Messi won it, but he doesn't deserve it.

That's why Messi won, he has a big name, so people will close their eyes with the other nominations and choose him. You're wrong if you say football performance isn't a measure to win Ballon d'Or, FIFA itself already mentioned it their rules.


Haaland fill this two categories, he's very good in the field and he respect to everyone.

While the another guy who won the Ballon d'Or is only score by penalty kick where everyone can do that and he taunted Netherlands back because he was angry, there's no good behavior.